Blake Griffin Ready To Share Closer Duties With Chris Paul

Blake Griffin Ready To Share Closer Duties With Chris Paul

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:39 am

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By Ramona Shelburne | ESPNLosAngeles.com

If Chris Paul meant to challenge his teammate Blake Griffin when he said recently that the Los Angeles Clippers will "definitely go as Blake goes," it worked.

Not only did Griffin hear his teammate's words, he also agreed with them.

"[Paul] has a huge role on this team," Griffin said Thursday in an interview with ESPNLosAngeles.com. "He's been the guy who has closed out a lot of games late for us.

"But in my mind, this is the year I need to step into that role and really help him shoulder that load. I'll be right there with him at the end of games, being the guy that he can always count on."

Griffin, 24, has developed into one of the best power forwards in NBA during his first three seasons, but he has yet to advance past the second round of the playoffs.

Griffin made his third straight All-Star team last season, but his season averages in scoring (18.0) and rebounding (8.3) fell off slightly from his career averages (20.4 points, 10.4 rebounds), as he played nearly three fewer minutes per game during the regular season, at 32.5, in an attempt to stay healthier for the playoffs.

Griffin's assists rose to 3.7 per game in 2012-13 from 3.2 in 2011-12, while his steals rose from 0.8 to 1.2 per game over the same period.

"Blake is one of those guys where his age has nothing to do with anything," Paul said in a phone interview with ESPNLosAngeles.com on Aug. 6. "People may say he's a young guy, but he's been special in this league, he's been an All-Star. His voice carries a lot of weight, and I think our team will definitely go as Blake goes.

"He's our guy, and he's good enough to do so."

Griffin was in Los Angeles on Thursday and back at the Clippers' training facility attending a promotional event for Red Bull's midnight basketball tournament. He's been traveling for a large chunk of the summer, both for business and vacation, but said he's been able to heal completely from an ankle injury that limited him in the Clippers' first-round playoff loss to the Memphis Grizzlies, and has worked on his face-up game.

"To be honest, I'm more excited about this upcoming season than I've ever been," Griffin said. "My workouts with [shooting coach] Bob Thate and our coaches have been geared around figuring out how I'm going to be used this season.

"I'm doing a lot of stuff at the elbow, a lot of shooting. One of the things [new coach Doc Rivers] said to me was, 'I don't want you to be afraid to go 0-for-15.' In other words, just have the mindset of a shooter. And with the work I've done this summer, I'm starting to get that confidence and think like a shooter."

Griffin shot 53.8 percent from the field last season but just 34 percent on shots from 16 to 23 feet, according to Hoopdata.com. He did noticeably improve his shooting from 10-15 feet, from 27 percent in 2011-12 to 40 percent last season.

Griffin thinks he still can make much improvement, however, and that when he proves he can hit a face-up jumper, it will change the way defenses play him.

"We've been working on a lot of face-up stuff in the post," he said. "I'm definitely going to be used differently this year.

"This summer has been so great for me. I've had a completely healthy, full summer to be able to work with our coaching staff, once I got over the ankle thing. This summer has been huge for me, and it's one of the reasons I'm so excited about next year."

Griffin said he sat out about a month after the Clippers' season ended to rest and let his badly sprained ankle heal.

"It lingered for a little over a month," he said of the ankle injury that hampered him in Games 5 and 6 of the Memphis series. "But by the time I was back to working out, it was fine. I won't really take that much time off the rest of the summer. I want to keep the training going."

The relationship between Paul and Griffin hasn't always been perfect in their two years as teammates. Their visions for how the team should be playing haven't always meshed.

But after spending a significant amount of time together this summer -- traveling to Asia as part of a tour for Nike's Jordan Brand and filming a national commercial for Foot Locker -- Paul says their bond, and understanding of each other, has deepened.

"It's been a great summer for us. I think we've both had an opportunity to grow," Paul said. "As you get older you realize it's all about winning, and I think we both realize we really need each other in order to do that."


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Postby pound4pound1 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:09 am

i'm ready to watch those missed FTs during crunch time
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Postby gcclaker on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:24 am

Griffin has improved his outside shooting and free throw % [somewhat]... Will Paul trust him enough is the bigger question. It's on the defensive side of the ball that they will have to improve. Rivers is lauded for that BUT he doesn't have Garnett, Rondo, PJ Brown and Tony Allen as well some guy named Thibodeau.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:39 am

I'd give Flop Griffin that mid-range shot all day long.
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Postby Punk-101 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:20 pm

What does a potentially improved jumpshot have to do with "closer duty"? Biff didn't mention anything about the closer mindset that gets the key rebound, makes the key defensive play, or sinks clutch free throws.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:28 pm

Is this a Joke!?..... Share?.... Chris Paul isn't really much of a "closer" and Biff is like Howard.... poison at the end of games.

Doc is trying some Zen like mind games to get him motivated but he'd better be careful..... Biff isn't really closer material.... he's a highlight player that scores big in blowouts but when the competition is tough with good teams he isn't effective at all in the half court set.
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Postby abeer3 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:24 pm

i'll believe it when i see it. i just don't think he's skilled enough to be a clutch option.

what he needs to do to help the clips in crunch time is become a good enough defender to play center in spots. that will allow them to take jordan off the floor and play another skill player.
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Postby JSM on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:19 pm

Griffin is as much of a closer as DJ Mbenga. He's clearly upped his dosage of prescription drugs recently.
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:57 am

Chris Paul isn't really much of a "closer"


I think Chris Paul is pretty damn good in the clutch. He likes having the ball in his hands, settles himself emotionally in big moments, and has hit some big shots against tough defense in big games. I'd consider him a closer. I'd also trust him with the basketball as my point guard over EVERY point guard in the league.
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Postby Frank Dux on Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:29 pm

Ready to share what? His skill-set/fundamentals are very underwhelming, and he's not strong enough to consistently score or make plays on the better PF/C's of the NBA.

If he wants to make the next step he has to develop that money KG/Amare midrange J off the pick and pop. Otherwise he'll continue to be taken out of games, and get embarrassed by guys like ZBO.
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Postby revgen on Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:54 pm

What is he "ready" to do now that he wasn't ready to do 4 months ago?
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:44 pm

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Chris Paul isn't really much of a "closer"


I think Chris Paul is pretty damn good in the clutch. He likes having the ball in his hands, settles himself emotionally in big moments, and has hit some big shots against tough defense in big games. I'd consider him a closer. I'd also trust him with the basketball as my point guard over EVERY point guard in the league.


Hmm... I don't see it... especially in the big playoff games he's played. He dominates the ball and everyone else stands around. Pop has made him a closer in 3 series over the years and everyone of them has been one sided.

As an opposing team having the ball in his hands primarily at the end of playoff games has been a good thing.... a really good thing...... why do you think Doc is trying to pump up Biff?

As for having a point guard being a "closer"..... think about that for a minute.... a good PG isn't really the type of personality to be a closer. Rondo is the PG I'd most like to have on a team and I wouldn't want him to close the games other than create for others.

If it had to be a person playing that position I'd prefer a healthy D Rose, Tony Parker and maybe even Curry before Paul. Keep an eye on Lillard of Portland.... he's got the grit as well.
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:40 am

Hmm... I don't see it... especially in the big playoff games he's played. He dominates the ball and everyone else stands around. Pop has made him a closer in 3 series over the years and everyone of them has been one sided.


I can easily tell you why that is...

1. He's never had a truly good enough team to advance past the great west over the last 8 years...until now. His New Orleans days (the prime of his career) were spectacular, wasted away by sup-par talent. David West being his best player, a young Ariza (who later helped us to rings) stumbled on baby legs at the time. Ariza's talent was better suited on a team with vets, all-stars who shouldered the bulk of a game. Intelligently, we saw that.

2. The defenses he's faced are that of the San Antonio Spurs and us. If you're not one of the those two teams from 2000-2011 sans Dallas, you came up short. I routinely say this...(because its true), only 1-6 teams can win the NBA championship every year. If you're not in that six, pray for sun...because it's a long and unfair road to the top.

As of 2013-2014, he has the talent. More importantly, he has a coach. A former thorn in our side, audaciously living in the very city he created a mourning for. Seriously, this is like Francona walking into Shea to coach the Mets. But that's another post.

Chris Paul is primed to win, right now. If your statements ring true, we'll be able to validate them in the next two years barring injury to this team. Because in my opinion, this is the type of move a star needs to elevate his position and legacy. It gives them a legitimate shot at a world championship. That's what Doc does. At its peak, a 2015 Finals appearance I'd bet on. A healthy OKC will be hell bent on quieting all whispers about their influx in 2013. Either way, your WCF matchup might look like this. Thunder in 6.


As for having a point guard being a "closer"..... think about that for a minute.... a good PG isn't really the type of personality to be a closer. Rondo is the PG I'd most like to have on a team and I wouldn't want him to close the games other than create for others.

If it had to be a person playing that position I'd prefer a healthy D Rose, Tony Parker and maybe even Curry before Paul. Keep an eye on Lillard of Portland.... he's got the grit as well.



Good to great point guards don't have formatted "personalities". They aren't robots lol. Players have different personalities across the board. Isiah Thomas was a certified cold-hearted closer. Tim Hardaway was an assassin. Chauncey Billups defined it. Notice I'm naming scoring playmakers who like to take big shots...which is what Chris Paul does. Notice how both of those aforementioned great players could also dominate games with their passing, which Chris Paul does. He's the special type of point guard that passes as well as he can score. There truly might be a 50-50 balance in his style convergence. It even reads in his career stat-line: 22.8 ppg, 11.6 apg, 5.5 rpg.

You don't want Rondo closing for you for the same reasons no one does...he can't shoot. Considering how mule-headed Rondo is, if he knew he could shoot, he'd be taking big shots too! Only the guys who know they can hit them take them. So Parker, I'd give you him. As always, I forget about him. Stephen is special, but he's strictly a shooter right now. His game is far from complete, like Paul's. And quite frankly, I haven't seen a D-Rose performance in a full calendar year. I would like to see what he can produce that might sway my opinion.
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Re: Blake Griffin Ready To Share Closer Duties With Chris Paul

Postby charvin on Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:16 pm

"'I don't want you to be afraid to go 0-for-15.' In other words, just have the mindset of a shooter. And with the work I've done this summer, I'm starting to get that confidence and think like a shooter."

Griffin shot 53.8 percent from the field last season but just 34 percent on shots from 16 to 23 feet, according to Hoopdata.com. He did noticeably improve his shooting from 10-15 feet, from 27 percent in 2011-12 to 40 percent last season.

Griffin thinks he still can make much improvement, however, and that when he proves he can hit a face-up jumper, it will change the way defenses play him."

You tell 'em Blake :jam2: THINK LIKE A SHOOTER! Shoot J's all day, everyday! Oh, and defenses will change their way to play zone defense on you giving you more 16-23 feet jumpers :man10:
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:17 pm

Iceberg Slim wrote:
Hmm... I don't see it... especially in the big playoff games he's played. He dominates the ball and everyone else stands around. Pop has made him a closer in 3 series over the years and everyone of them has been one sided.


I can easily tell you why that is...

1. He's never had a truly good enough team to advance past the great west over the last 8 years...until now. His New Orleans days (the prime of his career) were spectacular, wasted away by sup-par talent. David West being his best player, a young Ariza (who later helped us to rings) stumbled on baby legs at the time. Ariza's talent was better suited on a team with vets, all-stars who shouldered the bulk of a game. Intelligently, we saw that.

2. The defenses he's faced are that of the San Antonio Spurs and us. If you're not one of the those two teams from 2000-2011 sans Dallas, you came up short. I routinely say this...(because its true), only 1-6 teams can win the NBA championship every year. If you're not in that six, pray for sun...because it's a long and unfair road to the top.

As of 2013-2014, he has the talent. More importantly, he has a coach. A former thorn in our side, audaciously living in the very city he created a mourning for. Seriously, this is like Francona walking into Shea to coach the Mets. But that's another post.

Chris Paul is primed to win, right now. If your statements ring true, we'll be able to validate them in the next two years barring injury to this team. Because in my opinion, this is the type of move a star needs to elevate his position and legacy. It gives them a legitimate shot at a world championship. That's what Doc does. At its peak, a 2015 Finals appearance I'd bet on. A healthy OKC will be hell bent on quieting all whispers about their influx in 2013. Either way, your WCF matchup might look like this. Thunder in 6.


As for having a point guard being a "closer"..... think about that for a minute.... a good PG isn't really the type of personality to be a closer. Rondo is the PG I'd most like to have on a team and I wouldn't want him to close the games other than create for others.

If it had to be a person playing that position I'd prefer a healthy D Rose, Tony Parker and maybe even Curry before Paul. Keep an eye on Lillard of Portland.... he's got the grit as well.



Good to great point guards don't have formatted "personalities". They aren't robots lol. Players have different personalities across the board. Isiah Thomas was a certified cold-hearted closer. Tim Hardaway was an assassin. Chauncey Billups defined it. Notice I'm naming scoring playmakers who like to take big shots...which is what Chris Paul does. Notice how both of those aforementioned great players could also dominate games with their passing, which Chris Paul does. He's the special type of point guard that passes as well as he can score. There truly might be a 50-50 balance in his style convergence. It even reads in his career stat-line: 22.8 ppg, 11.6 apg, 5.5 rpg.

You don't want Rondo closing for you for the same reasons no one does...he can't shoot. Considering how mule-headed Rondo is, if he knew he could shoot, he'd be taking big shots too! Only the guys who know they can hit them take them. So Parker, I'd give you him. As always, I forget about him. Stephen is special, but he's strictly a shooter right now. His game is far from complete, like Paul's. And quite frankly, I haven't seen a D-Rose performance in a full calendar year. I would like to see what he can produce that might sway my opinion.


Well.... We will see. Paul has had very good teams IMO. He's been very easy to defeat in the playoffs because of the flaws in his game come out when teams plan for him...... Just like what happened to Nash before him. I suppose you can fit enough talent around him to finally get him past the second round but the it really isn't his success the is it?

Paul's also mentally not that strong either. His antics and desire to basically cheat (flops and other cheap play) will always be there and when it gets hard in the playoffs he always turns that crap up a notch or two pulling his teammates into it as well..... Leaders don't do that IMO. Every year his teams leave early and always seem to basically give up.

Ball dominant PG's who are also the primary scorers make great all stars and regular season players..... But not champions. History is pretty clear on that.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:40 am

Floppers are a perennial 2nd round exit ... both of these guys have their limits AND can't stay healthy for a full season ...

CP3 is overrated ... he would have lifted his team over the Grizz last season/ not deferred to Jannero freaking Pargo in Game 7 against SAS back in 2008 if it wasn't the case

He has been surrounded by sub-par talent at times but he never succeeded the few times he had enough ( 08, injured in 12 , last season ...)

He's definetely not in the "class" of prime Kobe/Wade/Lebron/KD as the medias sell him ...
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:31 am

Name other top flight scorers on any of his teams? Blake might be the best and his offensive game is limited. David West is the other, and he topped out at 20 ppg. You have a issue with ball dominant guards yet you name Derrick Rose (the most ball dominant guard since Iverson) as a guy you rather have with the rock when the game is on the line or in a tough playoff matchup?

New Orleans teams were NEVER good enough to do anything significant, let's be serious here fellas. They never had the horses to beat anyone great. Again, if you're not the Lakers, Spurs, or Mavs over the last 12 years, you lost...and there was nothing you could do about it.

And Roos, your claims on his "lack of leadership", "cheating" and trying to get an edge with officials flies in the face of all the antics of another scoring playmaker/winner in Isiah Thomas. They're are parallels between them. John Stockton was also a great leader...and was dirty...and flopped. Read interviews and snippets on anything about the Sloan led Jazz teams. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. Your premise sounds good until you really break it down and realize it's simply not true. If anything has hindered Paul and his teams, it's injuries. Everyone with a pair of eyes and a sound brain knew Memphis would win that series, especially after Blake got hurt. It didn't matter anyway. Vinny Del Negro was their coach. His coaching talent caps off at a semi-final matchup.

All will be visible in 2014. With Paul quarterbacking and Rivers calling plays, (barring injury) they will be a better prepared team to knock off a San Antonio or OKC.
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:09 am

^^Lots of excused for Paul there Ice....

Anyone who's watched him in the playoffs can see that if you make him the primary scorer it takes everyone else out of the game. Pop has coached him out of the playoffs with ease.

To try and draw a parallel with Stockton on "cheating" is really reaching. With Isiah is even more of a reach IMO. Isiah's teams won because of defense and his game was far more diversified than Paul's. Dumars and Dantley handled the ball as much as Isiah.... no two people on Paul's teams combined handle the ball as much as he does.

See the issue here is that he's had chances down the stretch in close playoff games.... several times. Almost all of them failed.

He dominates the ball.... the only offense he's successful in is predicated on several screens for him to create acton for him to either pass or score.... that style of offense has been run by better guards than he'll ever be (Nash and Stockton) and still failed to win a championship. He is so ball dominant and so useless without the ball that his teammates can be taken completely out of the game by making him be the primary scorer. It doesn't matter who his teammates are when you isolate them and he dribbles 20 seconds off the clock. Pop and have Parker played him to a tee several times doing just that.

Leadership is what he lacks the most. You don't feign being shot when a player is 3 feet from you in a crucial playoff game (heliflopter) and be called a true leader. Some of the crap he does is flat out dangerous to other players as well.

You can contend that he hasn't had a great team around him all you want but when you finish one game back of the Lakers in the West (when it was very strong) you can't really say he was on poor teams.
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:37 am

Listen Roos, I'm no apologist. I don't mince words or make excuses for anyone in the league. I just state what I see. I care nothing of catering to players who I like/respect. Defenses make him a scorer because he doesn't have talent on his team that can create for themselves. If they shut down the guys who DO score, they neutralize him. Why is that? You referenced it with the Steve Nash comparison. His undeniable strength is passing - 11.6 apg for his career. Once you cut off his options of passing, a guy like him (to carry his team) only option is to score. It's simple logic.

If Paul Pierce and and Kevin Garnett played on the Clippers (which almost happened) intelligent defenses couldn't employ that strategy. Why? Those guys create shots for themselves. Their offense isn't predicated upon someone assisting to them to score. It's why the Lakers of the 80's, Bulls of the 90's, Lakers of the 00's, and now the Miami Heat have been dynasty teams. Each team had 2-3 guys who create a shot for themselves. The 80's Lakers had the juggernaut because the owned the perfect point guard AND creators.

Btw, just for kicks, I'd love to for you to describe how Isiah's game was more diversified than CP3's. Besides Magic, no point guard has been more complete in terms of scoring, assisting, rebounding, and defending than Oscar and CP3. Jason Kidd is 4th on that list.
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:55 am

Iceberg Slim wrote:Listen Roos, I'm no apologist. I don't mince words or make excuses for anyone in the league. I just state what I see. I care nothing of catering to players who I like/respect. Defenses make him a scorer because he doesn't have talent on his team that can create for themselves. If they shut down the guys who DO score, they neutralize him. Why is that? You referenced it with the Steve Nash comparison. His undeniable strength is passing - 11.6 apg for his career. Once you cut off his options of passing, a guy like him (to carry his team) only option is to score. It's simple logic.

If Paul Pierce and and Kevin Garnett played on the Clippers (which almost happened) intelligent defenses couldn't employ that strategy. Why? Those guys create shots for themselves. Their offense isn't predicated upon someone assisting to them to score. It's why the Lakers of the 80's, Bulls of the 90's, Lakers of the 00's, and now the Miami Heat have been dynasty teams. Each team had 2-3 guys who create a shot for themselves. The 80's Lakers had the juggernaut because the owned the perfect point guard AND creators.

Btw, just for kicks, I'd love to for you to describe how Isiah's game was more diversified than CP3's. Besides Magic, no point guard has been more complete in terms of scoring, assisting, rebounding, and defending than Oscar and CP3. Jason Kidd is 4th on that list.


Well Ice.... we see things differently on this (not a surprise :man10: ). Isiah's game didn't depend on the entire offense being set up to set multiple screens for him. He played off the ball very well. Isiah could take anyone of his time off the dribble... Paul is quick but cannot separate from defenders like Isiah could. Isiah was a cold hearted clutch threat.... Paul looks for someone to jump into hoping the refs bail him out (end of the Clippers 12 season.... 3 consecutive possessions in a 2 point game). I could go on and on.

Players on his team are chosen to NOT be ball dominant. That's not a coincidence it's a design. Without the ball he's not effective. All of his teams have been built with the screen roll/ pick and pop in mind because that is the limits of his game. Without that aspect he is ordinary.

For me Paul isn't even on the level of a guy like Tony Parker much less all time greats like Magic, Kidd and Oscar.

I'd take Rondo over him any day. He elevates his game when it counts.... plays both ends of the court and can create without the entire offense setting screens for him. End to end Rondo is just about the fastest in the league as well. He has his limitations but shooting over 50% while dishing 11+ assists and playing the best PG D in the league are not among them. He isn't much of a jump shooter.... but then again... he knows it and doesn't jack them up anyway. Rondo's playoff performances are among the most impressive increases in productivity in the last 10 years IMO. The number of triple doubles and significant games while playing through everything from jammed fingers to a dislocated elbow is impressive. Jumping into Duncan's chest 3 times in a row looking for the refs on the other hand.....
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Postby revgen on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:17 pm

In addition to Roo's point, Isiah Thomas won championships because he had the Bad Boys protecting him. Thanks to Stern, goons are pretty much eliminated from professional basketball. CP3 resorts to flopping because he's small and has none of the protection Thomas had. Midget PG's who are the #1 guys on their team won't be winning championships anytime soon until that changes. Especially if the league cracks down on flopping.
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Re: Blake Griffin Ready To Share Closer Duties With Chris Paul

Postby Iceberg Slim on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:51 pm

revgen wrote:In addition to Roo's point, Isiah Thomas won championships because he had the Bad Boys protecting him. Thanks to Stern, goons are pretty much eliminated from professional basketball. CP3 resorts to flopping because he's small and has none of the protection Thomas had. Midget PG's who are the #1 guys on their team won't be winning championships anytime soon until that changes. Especially if the league cracks down on flopping.



This entire point actually proves the point I've been making all along. Isiah had a TEAM. A strong team. A team known as the Bad Boys. And Chris Paul has had David West and Trevor Ariza. Now he has Blake, who isn't built to be a thoroughbred, mentally. This is exactly the stance I've taken from the beginning of this argument, which can simply be referenced above.

Rooscooter...

In all due respect, I've come to a conclusion about your basketball analysis. It's one of two things, maybe both.

1. You liked basketball back in the day, but you're not much of fan these days, therefore you don't watch much of it, particularly Chris Paul.

2. This is a Laker website, you're a homer, and you have to discredit an opposing player (especially a Clipper) for those reasons.

You saying Chris Paul can't score/create off the dribble without a screen is like saying Drew Brees can't throw the deep ball. Its exactly what he does better than almost everyone. Here's simply a highlight reel from this year. Notice the lack of screens in about HALF of these isolation plays. Even if your point WAS true, it's moot. The entire league (sadly) is structured off the pick and roll.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0pxWrM0eQQk

We can agree to disagree all day. That's perfectly cool. But speak the truth about his game. Screens or no screens, the guy creates space better than almost anyone. And he's not the size of Rose, Deron, or Westbrook - all who stand 6'3 and weigh 200lbs or more.

You want Rondo running your team? You can have him. Sure, he's faster than CP3, but thats where it ends sir. Better defender? :man3: Are you aware that CP3 was First-Team All-Defense this last two years? Are you also aware that he's led the league in steals in 5 of the last 6 years, excluding 2010?

I need a point guard who can shoot, rebound, elevate the game of his teammates, and defend. His game is the definition of complete. Rondo should take notes and get his jumpshot consistent if ever wants to be considered the BEST point guard in the game. Until then, that crown sits on the head of #3.
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Re: Blake Griffin Ready To Share Closer Duties With Chris Paul

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:11 am

^^^. The "with all do respect" ad hominem tactic when faced with reality. Nice.

If you read my basketball related posts you'd notice that I do watch a lot of games and follow the game very closely.

You and I have differing opinions on Paul.

As for steals or being chosen for a "team" after the season by sports writers being a metric of defensive ability is proof that you don't read my posts and don't know much about my thoughts on that. Paul was the focus of a series of posts I made on this subject and why you can't use either metric in looking at the players real abilities. Steals are better than blocked shots but not by much..... Gambling for steals is the first breakdown of good team defense.
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Re: Blake Griffin Ready To Share Closer Duties With Chris Paul

Postby Iceberg Slim on Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:39 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^^. The "with all do respect" ad hominem tactic when faced with reality. Nice.

If you read my basketball related posts you'd notice that I do watch a lot of games and follow the game very closely.

You and I have differing opinions on Paul.

As for steals or being chosen for a "team" after the season by sports writers being a metric of defensive ability is proof that you don't read my posts and don't know much about my thoughts on that. Paul was the focus of a series of posts I made on this subject and why you can't use either metric in looking at the players real abilities. Steals are better than blocked shots but not by much..... Gambling for steals is the first breakdown of good team defense.


Granted, I haven't read your posts on Paul's defensive ability. I have read your stance on the awards/team selections, notably after Marc Gasol won his first DPOY this year, which you didn't have a problem with at the time. Besides, I'm not on CL that much anymore, so I don't catch all posts. And that point is irrelevant. I take what you give me when you provide it. Saying Paul is one thing when he's clearly not is just talking. I'm here to debate. I'm here to inquire. I'm here to have intelligent basketball discussion. I'm here to push ideas. I'm here to learn new ideas. And admittedly, its exactly why I'm rarely on the boards.

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