Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:33 pm

Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Andrea Bargnani

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The Toronto Raptors are expected to trade Andrea Bargnani before the end of the 2012-13 season.

One source close to the situation said Friday that Bargnani is "a lock to be moved."

Bargnani has two years and $22 million left on his contract.


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Re: Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Andrea Bargnani

Postby mastersworddude on Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:52 pm

Please no, if people don't like Pau they will hate Bargnani.
He's Pau if he was a better shooter with no post game or passing. He's maybe even softer and more lethargic.
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Re: Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Andrea Bargnani

Postby therealdeal on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:15 pm

Yeah, who exactly wants this guy? There'd have to be a team involved that thinks he'd fit in a different role... I actually think that he COULD fit in a different role, but I wouldn't want to give up anything important to get him... Especially not Pau and especially not if Pau can play the way he's been playing.
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Re: Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Andrea Bargnani

Postby abeer3 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:45 pm

yeah, for him to be a "lock" to be moved, there would have to be someone who'd want him.

unless toronto is attaching a good youngster to him, i think he's theirs.
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Raptors Admit To Looking At Andrea Bargnani Trade Options

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:23 pm

Raptors Admit To Looking At Andrea Bargnani Trade Options

Bryan Colangelo admitted on NBA TV that the Toronto Raptors are shopping Andrea Bargnani.

Colangelo has spoken with Bargnani's agent about possible moves.

"I'm not saying he's asked for a trade, but he certainly would not fight or resist a [new] situation," said Colangelo.


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Bryan Colangelo: Andrea Bargnani Drew Trade Interest Before

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:27 pm

Bryan Colangelo: Andrea Bargnani Drew Trade Interest Before Injury

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A day after making the blockbuster deal to acquire Rudy Gay, Raptors boss Bryan Colangelo appears to be far from finished making moves.

The Raptors president and general manager was a guest on Brady and Lang on Sportsnet 590 The Fan Thursday and said that maybe it was time for a change of scenery for Andrea Bargnani.

"There were obvious discussions with his agent at some point this year, and maybe even with Andrea, that maybe it has run its course," Colangelo said. "Maybe it's time to change address. That's not to say that we are absolutely going to trade Andrea. It's not to say he's asked for a trade.

"He's become a little bit of an easy target if you will, and there's a gang mentality some times, and it's easy to pile on."

Colangelo said that part of that problem may be in the way he carries himself.

"The onus is on him to deliver and play at a level all the time that looks like and appears as if he cares," he said. "You know he cares but it doesn't always seem that way."

Colangelo confirmed that Bargnani's name had come up in trade talks but said any and all discussions were shelved when the former No. 1 overall pick was injured. He also said that Bargnani, who is close to returning, may come back with a chip on his shoulder and believes that could help stimulate trade talks.

"You're going to see, I think, a rejuvenated Andrea Bargnani when he comes back from the injury here in a few days," Colangelo explained. "He's got something to prove. Maybe he proves just enough to create a trade conversation.

"I will tell you that any interest in Andrea -- which there was quite a bit early on in this season -- went by the wayside when he got hurt. So that's just a natural part of the business when a guy's not playing you can't really discuss him."

Colangelo said that there are still a couple of clubs around the league that are keeping close tabs on Bargnani and waiting to see how he looks when he returns before re-entering trade talks, although he would not guarantee that he would pull the trigger on a deal.

"There's teams interested I know that," he said. "I've got a handful of situations that people were monitoring this whole injury process. I'm not saying anything with any concrete nature that he's going to be traded but we're looking to make our basketball team better and I've pretty much told everybody: nobody on our team is untradeable based on some of the things we are looking to do and what our objectives are."

The trade for Gay will push the Raptors slightly over the salary cap heading into next season but Colangelo said the team would still be buyers this summer as there are alternate routes they could take to get under the cap.

"We're still going to be buyers," he said. "We're looking to make this basketball team better. I've got an ownership group that's committed to spending dollars. That's really what you saw evidenced by this trade yesterday."


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Bobcats Interested In Andrea Bargnani For Ben Gordon

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:28 pm

Bobcats Interested In Andrea Bargnani For Ben Gordon

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All-Star Weekend trade rumble: Charlotte's growing determination to move Ben Gordon has presented Toronto w/another Andrea Bargnani suitor


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Sense I get, though, is that Toronto ain't gonna bite on Bargs-for-Gordon deal. Raps have Terrence Ross & Alan Anderson playing well there


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Gordon easier to take back $-wise than Boozer w/one less year on deal, but Raps unlikely to just trade ex-No. 1 overall pick for sake of it


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Re: Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Andrea Bargnani

Postby abeer3 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:32 pm

lol, the unwanteds swapping places.
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Re: Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Andrea Bargnani

Postby MadMax on Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:14 am

abeer3 wrote:lol, the unwanteds swapping places.

lol, seriously.
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Re: Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Bargnani

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:46 pm

Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Andrea Bargnani

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By Ryan Wolstat , Toronto Sun

TORONTO - Raptors ownership is poised to bring back Bryan Colangelo and Dwane Casey for another season.

They will be making a mistake, particularly where Colangelo is concerned.

Colangelo’s refusal to recognize the obvious with Andrea Bargnani — that the “enigma of enigmas” could never be relied on as a key building block — and his total misread of the Chris Bosh situation have resulted in three playoff wins in seven years, including five years without a playoff appearance, when things could have been much different.

Sure, drafting Jonas Valanciunas was a coup and acquiring Rudy Gay was a strong play, but the roster that has been built is one that is capped out and limited in where it can go, unless Valanciunas becomes a superstar.

By convincing himself that Bargnani would one day repay his faith in him, Colangelo failed the franchise he has been paid handsomely to direct. Instead of dealing him when he had solid value, Colangelo hung on to the Roman and now, according to league sources, an asset would likely have to be included just to dump the $22.5 million US remaining on his contract.

That’s unacceptable.

Doubly so in that one reason Bosh left was because Colangelo could not properly build around him, partly because he believed Bargnani would be a key piece beside Bosh.

Not to mention, Toronto’s long-time president/general manager saw the team’s second-best all-time player bolt for next to nothing in return. Yes, Bosh and his agent gave indications that Toronto had a shot of retaining the big man, but history shows Colangelo was misguided to believe them. Not with Miami in position to make an historic haul, partly thanks to Colangelo (Jermaine O’Neal for Shawn Marion gifted the Heat the cap space required to add both Bosh and LeBron James).

Colangelo has done some good and some bad while in Toronto, but a unifying theme has been a lack of foresight. A failure to see what is coming next.

From rushing rebuilds, overvaluing his players, to overcompensating to try to alleviate problem areas, Colangelo has been unable to repeat his past success.

Now, with a new collective bargaining agreement making cap management more important than ever, a team has been built where most of the roster (Amir Johnson and Kyle Lowry aside) is being paid at a considerable premium. There are few options to improve the team either, other than through the “organic growth” Colangelo talks so hopefully about.

A new general manager would bring a fresh take on what the Raptors have and what changes have to be made. He would be able to move Bargnani without worrying what the club gets back in return and he would consider paths that Colangelo, sources say, isn’t currently inclined to consider — particularly moving DeMar DeRozan while his value is at a high point.

DeRozan’s defence is a large concern going forward — even if Colangelo disagreed strongly with that notion at his season-ending media availability Monday — and the team needs a dead-eye long-range shooter to complement Gay and Valanciunas far more than it needs DeRozan’s mid-range game.

Colangelo has had plenty of time to lift the Raptors and has not been able to get it done.

It’s time for a change.

The Casey situation is less clear-cut. After an excellent initial season in Toronto, Casey and his staff had a tough follow-up. Casey clashed with the mercurial Lowry, made some curious rotational decisions and watched his charges continually struggle to execute in tight situations (Toronto was one of the poorest teams at closing out tight contests in the league).

Still, that’s not enough to pay Casey to go away, some alterations to his staff could suffice.

Except for the fact that the roster he has been given to work with doesn’t suit his style or philosophy at all. That’s not Casey’s fault, unlike some of the on-court failings of his team, but it’s reality.

Just not in Colangelo’s eyes.

“I’m not sure I agree with you,” he said Monday when I suggested the roster he had built left Casey with one hand tied behind his back.

“There were some things that we needed to sort through and we’re getting to the point where we’re finding the common ground.

“My job in management is to get talent, to bring in athletes. Athletes that have upside and upside is not just offensive upside, it’s defensive upside as well ... There’s a number of players that you can point to and say: ‘Hey, they’ve got the athletic ability and the talent to play defence, it’s just a function of getting them to play defence.’”

The NBA is filled with great athletes. Most of them don’t play strong defence. Offence brings the glory and Toronto’s roster is stocked with players who pride themselves on their attacking skills, not their abilities to get stops.

There’s also the issue that this group is built to run, to take advantage of its athletic advantages, rather than being cerebral and precise.

That’s not what Casey favours (despite his pronouncement that he wants to run off of turnovers next season) and since this roster cannot be broken apart easily without setting the franchise back years, it’s doubtful things work out in Toronto for Casey, a solid coach.

So why try to force something that seems destined to fail?

Plus, a new GM should always be given the chance to pick his own bench boss.

However, sources say there has been no appetite at the MLSE board level to replace either Colangelo or Casey.

Instead, it appears the franchise will continue to attempt to force round pegs into square holes and hope for the best.


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Re: Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Bargnani

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:01 am

If they want us to take on Bargnani, we'll have to ask for one or two of the following: Lowry, Derozan, Gay.

For Pau/Hill/maybe Duhon.

According to the ESPN trade machine Bargnani/Gay for Pau/Hill/Duhon would make us 7 games worse. :man10:
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Re: Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Bargnani

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:19 pm

^ lol (O Hollinger)
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Re: Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Bargnani

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:13 pm

Nash/Pau for Lowry/Derozan/Bargs
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Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:01 pm

Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

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First order of biz for new Raps GM Masai Ujiri: Word is he'll shop Andrea Bargnani everywhere he can in hopes of moving him before July 1


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Re: Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby OX1947 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:37 pm

Bargnani not only sucks but he is always injured. I wouldn't take him for bag of ice.
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Re: Raptors Would Likely Need To Include Asset To Trade Bargnani

Postby OX1947 on Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:39 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Nash/Pau for Lowry/Derozan/Bargs


Why not asked for Durant for Darius Morris.
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Re: Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby Pig Miller on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:22 pm

gasol, nash, artest for lowry, bargnani, and 1st rounder. they get expiring contracts, we get some talent.
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Re: Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby Frank Dux on Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:22 am

Initially I liked the idea of taking Bargs with Derozen, and Lowry for Pau. But let's be real. Bargs sucks, and his contract screws up our cap flexibility for next summer. It would be nice to have Derozen, but he's overrated, and has a pretty bad contract(50 million over 5 years), and Lowry is a stud... When he's healthy, which is rare.
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Re: Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:12 am

I think Derozan still has a little time to grow. He's just been in his situation where a young guy with talent is brought up the right way. If he'd been in LA or in San Antonio, he'd be stud right now.
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Re: Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:25 pm

therealdeal wrote:in San Antonio, he'd be stud right now.


Straight up STUD.

No thanks to Bargnani.
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Re: Raptors Will Attempt To Trade Andrea Bargnani By July 1

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:55 pm

Frank Dux wrote:Initially I liked the idea of taking Bargs with Derozen, and Lowry for Pau. But let's be real. Bargs sucks, and his contract screws up our cap flexibility for next summer. It would be nice to have Derozen, but he's overrated, and has a pretty bad contract(50 million over 5 years), and Lowry is a stud... When he's healthy, which is rare.

I wouldn't want to commit that kind of money to Bargs & Derozan.. I like Derozan but not enough to give up a chance at signing a max FA in '14 or '15. If we can get Lowry for taking on Bargs & send them Nash & MWP or something along those lines, I think that's a move you have to make.
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