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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby revgen on Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:34 pm

hoopschick03 wrote:He can't play, Rev. Call it what you want - conspiracy, lies, denial...whatever. But those already tender knees are failing him, they have not responded to the 'precautionary' (I can't even say that with a straight face) injections, and it has prevented him from joining his team and bonding with his new teammates on the court. Now I suppose if it were a dire situation like say the playoffs, he'd suck it up and drag those 'sore' knees out there. But he's getting bi-annual silicon injections, plasma therapy which is also injected, AND he's wearing braces on both knees. Now he needs these injections in order to play and keep the knees from discenigrating to dust. But he got the plasma in Sept, and the silicon in October. It's November...and he's still 'sore.' That's a rather extensive recovery curve. :man3:


1) The injections aren't "precautionary". He's been having them on a regular basis since 2010. They are a maintenance procedure.

2) The plasma therapy was scheduled in May. Way before Bynum even had the bone bruise. Bynum talks about it in his exit interview.

3) What's keeping him from joining the team is a bone bruise that he developed while doing something on the practice court. It has nothing to do with the injections.

4) He's not wearing braces on both knees. Only the right knee. Which he's been doing since 2009.

It sounds to me like you're not properly informed on what's going on.
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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby hoopschick03 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:20 pm

You can sweat me on the details and the point is taken. But the overall question remains... The injections are supposed to help him play, right? They're supposed to give him more fluidity, less swelling, less discomfort, right? So what's with the continued 'soreness' from the initial plasma shot in Sept, missed camp and preseason completely in Oct and we're now into Nov and the reg season with no debut date in sight? If he can play, why wouldn't he? Simple answer, he can't.
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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby revgen on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:47 pm

hoopschick03 wrote:You can sweat me on the details and the point is taken. But the overall question remains... The injections are supposed to help him play, right? They're supposed to give him more fluidity, less swelling, less discomfort, right? So what's with the continued 'soreness' from the initial plasma shot in Sept, missed camp and preseason completely in Oct and we're now into Nov and the reg season with no debut date in sight? If he can play, why wouldn't he? Simple answer, he can't.


1) The synvisc injection is to prevent arthritis. Ditto with plasma injections. He lost some cartilage in 2010. The injections keep it from wearing down further, so he won't be "bone on bone" someday.

2) The bone bruise is something else entirely. Unlike arthritus, which is gradual, the bone bruise happened while he was doing a drill on a practice court. These injections don't deal with bone bruises.

3) If he can play and it won't get worse and won't prevent the injury from healing on it's own, then he should play. The problem is that Bynum and the 76ers front office are giving different answers that don't clarify what is going on.

The questions I want answered are

1) Can he actually play if the team needed him to play?
2) Would playing on the leg make the problem worse?
3) If the answer to question #2 is no, then would playing on the knee not allow it to heal all the way if he plays too long on it?

None of the Philly reporters are asking these questions, so it's hard to get a read on what's going on. This whole situation makes me notice the difference between the Lakers organization and other organizations. The Lakers don't BS about what the injuries are to the players. They give straight answers.
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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby Johnnyboy on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:04 am

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Johnnyboy wrote:people are still trying to say bynum is dependable? Give it up Bynum lovers. the guy is always hurt. He's yet to play 82 games in a season

Bynum played every game last year except for one. He hasn't really had a serious injury since 2010. That's nearly three years ago. This is not something that's gonna keep him out for that long so I don't see what the big deal is. Philly is just trying to make sure he's healthy before they bring him out. Don't wanna risk bringing him back too early and him suffering a more serious injury and missing even more time.

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:I still can't believe we got Dwight Howard for Andre Bynum :man10: :man10:

Why is it so hard to believe? Bynum is still easily the second best center in the game. It's not like we gave up some scrub. We gave up a guy who is a terrific player, an All Star, and a potential superstar. To act like we just gave up nothing for Howard is ridiculous.


Re read what I wrote. He hasn't played a full 82 games season. Not sure if you remember, but there was this thing called a lock out last year. It wasn't a full season. The guy has glass knees. Get over it
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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby The Rock on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:17 am

http://www.phillyburbs.com/sports/sixers/barzilai-is-the-team-s-analytics-expert/article_2c4091a0-3a53-5fe8-9a07-0324ea4930aa.html
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DiLeo said Monday that there’s nothing to report with injured center Andrew Bynum (knee bone bruise).

Bynum has begun low-impact conditioning, but won’t start any basketball-related activities until he’s pain-free.

“He’s improving, but it’s still the same situation,” DiLeo said.

There is still no timetable for Bynum’s return, according to DiLeo
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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby jimbo327 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:17 am

2 blow out losses to the NYK. I think the Philly crowd is already shifting in their seats. It won't be long before they get their usual pitchforks.
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:28 am

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Philadelphia 76ers' general manager Tony DiLeo said Monday that there’s nothing to report with Andrew Bynum, who is still out with a knee bone bruise.

Bynum has begun low-impact conditioning, but won’t start any basketball-related activities until he’s pain-free.

“He’s improving, but it’s still the same situation,” DiLeo said.

Bynum still has no timetable to return, according to DiLeo.


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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby revgen on Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:05 am

jimbo327 wrote:2 blow out losses to the NYK. I think the Philly crowd is already shifting in their seats. It won't be long before they get their usual pitchforks.


Something tells me Laker fans will have their pitchforks out before Philly fans do.

And if the Philly fans do take out their pitchforks, it will be against Vick and the Eagles.
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Re: 76ers To Sit Drew Until He Has No Pain In Knee (Pg. 3)

Postby Psychobroker on Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:30 pm

hoopschick03 wrote:You can sweat me on the details and the point is taken. But the overall question remains... The injections are supposed to help him play, right? They're supposed to give him more fluidity, less swelling, less discomfort, right? So what's with the continued 'soreness' from the initial plasma shot in Sept, missed camp and preseason completely in Oct and we're now into Nov and the reg season with no debut date in sight?


it's all about the details, those silly, inconvenient facts that they are.

If he can play, why wouldn't he? Simple answer, he can't.


Have you ever played on a nagging injury, like a sprained ankle? I have, but am I able to play to the best of my ability? Does it take longer to recovery to 100% if you keep playing on it? Can you play? sure, but will it heal more slowly? of course.

Two things - 1) bone bruises take time to heal, and will linger if you don't give it time and 2) they are winning without him, so no need to rush him back.

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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby Congo Cash on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:00 pm

It's alright, he will be pain-free by next year... :man1:
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby revgen on Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:54 pm

I'll give a dollar to anybody who can name me one NBA player who has played 7+ years in the NBA who is "pain-free".
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:26 am

What a strange designation. "Pain free"? Is there anyone in the world who's pain free?

Why not say "until his knees feel better"? Or something like that?
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby Kit on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:06 pm

therealdeal wrote:What a strange designation. "Pain free"? Is there anyone in the world who's pain free?

Why not say "until his knees feel better"? Or something like that?



LOL "pain free" but it hurts.
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby revgen on Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:00 am

Why all the secrecy around Bynum's injury?

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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2012, 1:23 AM

BOSTON - At the 76ers' shootaround on Friday morning at TD Garden, I saw team general manager Tony DiLeo standing courtside. Since we were told on Oct. 24 that all updates on the health of Andrew Bynum would come through DiLeo, I asked him whether he could give an update. I was directed by him to ask public relations director Mike Preston. When asked, Preston said there is no update, so DiLeo wouldn't be talking. It was the second time during the week reporters asked about the health of the Sixers' prized possession (the Inquirer's Bob Ford asked in New Orleans), only to be quickly told both times "no update."

Preston is just doing his job, no question about that. Coach Doug Collins isn't answering Bynum questions, which is understandable, as he and his staff must concentrate on the team they have now and how they can win games with the players taking the court every day.

But why the secrecy from the higher-ups about Bynum? Why can't DiLeo let us know whether Bynum is on the new, weight-bearing treadmill that seemingly was brought to the Sixers' practice facility specifically for him? Or whether he is taking to the court with his team at any time to observe? Or whether he is working out on his own to sharpen his basketball skills? Or maybe how much longer they think the "non-basketball activities" rule will be in place?

Since the new ownership, led by Josh Harris and Adam Aron, took over, it has been all about improving the relationship between the fans and the organization. The owners already had a coach in place whom the fans adored from his playing days in the 1970s and '80s and from his undeniable knowledge as an NBA analyst. Then they made it more affordable for fans to come see games and listened to suggestions about the in-game experience for fans and improved it tremendously. All the while, Aron tweeted endlessly about how the group is all about winning and doing whatever it takes to be relevant again. Then they acquired Bynum in a blockbuster, four-team deal and that sort of cemented what was being said.

Some may roll their eyes at the "Look what we've done" connotation often stemming from Aron's tweets, but it was hard to argue, because the new ownership was making moves to both improve the team and please the fans.

Now, the ownership has completely dropped the ball in regards to Bynum. The whole situation, with him suffering a bone bruise during a workout before training camp to perhaps being able to practice before the season to not giving regular updates is just wrong. If ownership wanted pats on the back - and it deserved them - when acquiring Bynum, it at least should be up front enough to answer the questions fans want answered about his injury. The only way fans get those answers, of course, is through the media. So what if he is slow recovering from his injury? What's wrong with saying so? What is wrong with telling the fans the truth?

Getting Bynum was a risk; everyone knew that when it happened. But it is only a 1-year contract, and if it all works out, good for them. If it doesn't and Bynum can't play much this season and ultimately moves on, well, so be it. But what's wrong with being honest?

Sure, more behind-the-scenes stuff probably goes on than we will never know. And Bynum is looking to get a huge contract, so getting on the court when he is not feeling totally healthy would be a big risk for him.

But we don't know anything, because that's the way the owners seem to prefer handling this situation.

We'll let you know as soon as we find out, as soon as ownership realizes that the fans not only want to know what's going on, they deserve to know.


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This article pretty much sums up what I talked about in my previous posts. Instead of giving straight answers, they just prefer not to talk about the issue at all. Can't argue with their strategy, especially since Philly is currently 3-2 in a tough Atlantic Division battling with the Knicks, Celtics, and Nets for position. It's probably helping in terms of keeping any distractions at bay.
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:36 am

January? yikes... story of his life
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby The Rock on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:14 am

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The Philadelphia 76ers say prized offseason acquisition Andrew Bynum will be out at least another five weeks and probably longer because of continuing complications with his right knee.

It is the third time since September the Sixers have pushed back Bynum's return date.

Bynum had a fresh MRI and a saw his personal knee specialist in New York last week. The Sixers are now hoping he will be cleared to return to basketball activities by Dec. 10.

But the team said Bynum would then need an additional one to four weeks of training and conditioning, which means his anticipated Sixers debut may be on hold until January.

The Sixers are off to a 4-2 start without Bynum and have also been without Jason Richardson because of an ankle injury for the past five games. Richardson was the other player Philadelphia received in the Bynum trade.

"We know the Sixers fans are eager to see Andrew Bynum play and shine," Sixers general manager Tony DiLeo said in a statement. "We also know no one is more eager to see Andrew play for the Sixers than Andrew himself. He fully realizes the key contribution he can make to the team. Hopefully, that day is coming soon."

The "hopefully" part is telling. It has become clear that while the team has been publicly optimistic and patient, it simply is not sure when the franchise center will get into a game.

The Sixers have already faced some criticism for trading away All-Star Andre Iguodala, young prospects Nikola Vucevic and Moe Harkless and a future first-round pick to get Bynum.

The decision is further complicated because Bynum, who's had surgeries on both knees and just turned 25, is in the final year of his contract.

The team was hoping Bynum would continue to play at an All-Star level and prove he was healthy enough to be worth a long-term deal. With what the Sixers gave up to acquire Bynum, the team is already deeply invested in him.

Bynum announced last May, while he was still a member of the Los Angeles Lakers, that he was going to Germany in September for the popular Orthokine blood-spinning treatment. He waited until then, so the plan went, so the effects of the treatment could be maximized for the start of training camp in October.

Instead, however, the Sixers announced before training camp that Bynum needed to delay his return to allow the effects of the Orthokine treatment to work.

The bone bruise has since further complicated matters, causing the team to push the return date from training camp to the regular season and now possibly to midseason.

The Sixers did say they were optimistic because Bynum has been cleared for low-impact exercise and that by next week he may be able to start work on an underwater treadmill.
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:18 am

I just seen that. Sucks for Bynum and the 76ers.
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Re: Drew Improving, But Situation Remains Unchanged (Pg. 4)

Postby GNC on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:20 am

WOW... thankfully we are done with this mess.
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Re: Drew to miss at least 5 more weeks, january target p.5

Postby KB24 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:19 am

thank god we don't have to deal with those glass knees anymore.

Sucks for Bynum though. I hope for a speedy recovery, he is pretty talented and it would suck to see his body betray him.
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Re: Drew to miss at least 5 more weeks, january target p.5

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:04 pm

sucks for him but thankful its not our problem anymore
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Re: Drew to miss at least 5 more weeks, january target p.5

Postby Juronimo on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:15 pm

That's terrible. I hate to hear that.

I thought that Philly would seriously benefit from this trade, even more than us. At least for now that's not the case. I thought that Howard's back would be a bigger issue than Bynum's knees. I couldn't have been more wrong.

At any rate I hope Bynum recovers to dominate, except when he plays us of course.
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Re: Drew to miss at least 5 more weeks, january target p.5

Postby gcclaker on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:16 pm

It's a relief that the Lakers don't have to endure this BUT I wish Bynum a speedy recovery to help his new squad. Just watched Game 7 of the 2010 Finals the other day...there he was standing, clapping, watching the clock intensely...on the bench. Bynum will ALWAYS be a Laker to me.
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Re: Drew to miss at least 5 more weeks, january target p.5

Postby revgen on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:21 pm

Finally a straight answer. What bothers me is that they said it was "precautionary", then they would keep giving another reason. I'll be very wary about trusting anything that comes out of the mouths of the 76ers brass from now on.
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Re: Drew to miss at least 5 more weeks, january target p.5

Postby Weezy on Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:25 pm

Holy crap, 5 weeks? Wow, I was honestly looking forward to seeing how Drew did in Philly, a friend of mine is a Sixers fan and he was excited as well, really is too bad the guy has such bad knees. At the same time, WOW did we luck out by getting Howard for him, thank goodness Philly agreed to the trade and Drew passed whatever physical they gave him or we'd be ripping our hair out right now.
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Re: Drew to miss at least 5 more weeks, january target p.5

Postby laker911 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:46 pm

No one deserves a break more than this guy. He always seemed ready to explode and become dominant again until another injury sets him back. Hope a speedy recovery for him.
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