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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Scnottaken on Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:52 am

Rooscooter wrote:Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.

But then he'll complain about touches and become lackadaisical on D.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:47 am

Dallas experiences with ex Lakers have not been a success .. I doubt the Bynum one would be different
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:55 am

Scnottaken wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.

But then he'll complain about touches and become lackadaisical on D.


That better describes Dwight "stat sheet" Howard than Bynum.

Unlike Dwight, Bynum at least had the offensive skills to warrant asking for touches in the first place.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby JSM on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:48 pm

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Team to watch in chase for Andrew Bynum: Cleveland. Hearing Cavs not only have legit interest but can also make lucrative one-year offer

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Cavs likely won't be factor if Bynum proves healthy enough to command multi-year deal. But hard to beat if Bynum settles for one-year pact
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Tobias Funke on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:02 pm

It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out. Hopefully we get some rough details on what deals he turned down in addition to the one he eventually signs for.
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Postby ThizGuy83 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:15 pm

Bynum to mavs. Hopefully he's good and ready to go. So he can punk Howard around 4 times a season
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Cleveland:

Pros:

Young core. Irving, Waiters, Varajao, Thompson, etc offer young talent that could grow with experience.

Weak Conference: Besides Hibbert, there really isn't much of any competition for Bynum in the east.

Cons:

Coaching: Mike Brown may not be what Bynum wants in a coach.

Ownership: Dan Gilbert's "comic sans" approach to communication may be a turnoff.

City - Cleveland is not an attractive city to live in. It's not as bad as Detroit, but it comes close.

Mavs

Pros

Solid vets: Carter, Marion, Dirk, and Calderon know the game. Dirk has been to the Finals twice. Winning once. Calderon won a gold medal for Spain. All solid pros.

Coaching: Carlisle is a solid coach with a championship ring for his credit. He's not Phil, Pop, or Adelman, but he's a definite notch above Mike Brown.

Ownership: Cuban can be annoying, but he is committed to winning and has the deep pockets to pay for it.

Medical Staff: They aren't Phoenix, but they did rescue Tyson Chandler from the dead. They could do the same for Bynum.

Taxes - No income tax in Texas.

City - Dallas is a nice city to live in. Much better compared to Cleveland.

Cons

Old team: The future in Dallas is somewhat murky. Not a lot of young pieces. After Dirk and vets leave, it'll be tough sledding.

Injury Clause: Although Dallas is willing to offer a multi-year deal, it may come with injury clauses included. It may be better to sign for one year, play healthy and well and earn a better contract in 2014, which will have more teams in the FA hunt.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:41 am

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Update on Cavs' pursuit on Andrew Bynum: ESPN sources say Bynum scheduled to be in Cleveland today for face-to-face recruiting sitdown


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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:56 am

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Another Andrew Bynum update: ESPN has learned that Bynum has also scheduled face-to-face recruiting meetings in Atlanta & Dallas this week


I don't see why Atlanta would want to sign him when they have Horford and Milsap.
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Postby TIME on Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:20 pm

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Another Andrew Bynum update: ESPN has learned that Bynum has also scheduled face-to-face recruiting meetings in Atlanta & Dallas this week


I don't see why Atlanta would want to sign him when they have Horford and Milsap.


Start Bynum at 5, Horford at 4, and Milsap as first big off the bench.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:25 pm

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Another Andrew Bynum update: ESPN has learned that Bynum has also scheduled face-to-face recruiting meetings in Atlanta & Dallas this week


I don't see why Atlanta would want to sign him when they have Horford and Milsap.


Start Bynum at 5, Horford at 4, and Milsap as first big off the bench.


Yeah, but I don't think Louis Williams and Kyle Korver are enough perimeter talent to support that frontline. They need a guard who can draw more defensive attention to help spread the floor.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:01 pm

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Free-agent center Andrew Bynum expected to meet with Cavs in Cleveland today, ESPN reports its sources say.

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Source describes Andrew Bynum-to-Cavs talk as "very real."

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Andrew Bynum meeting with Cavs, hopes for quick decision, sources say. @FOXSportsOH story: http://tinyurl.com/lmo52oe

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Cavaliers meeting with Andrew Bynum actually taking place at restaurant in Independence, OH. I said Cleveland earlier. #mybad

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Meanwhile, Hawks said to be "closing in" on deal with Monta Ellis. Also, Mavs plan to make pitch to Andrew Bynum.
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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:02 pm

Random Thought

If Bynum goes to Dallas, the southwestern division will be officially called the Big Man division.

Rockets - Howard
San Antonio - Duncan
Memphis - Gasol and Randolph
Dallas - Bynum
New Orleans - Anthony Davis

These teams will be playing each other as many as 4 times a year. Bynum will have his work cut out for him.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:09 pm

How much should Mavs bid on Andrew Bynum?
July, 8, 2013
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By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com

How much is Andrew Bynum worth?

How does an NBA front office determine the value of a 25-year-old center who was an All-Star two years ago and didn’t play a second last season? That’s the challenge the Dallas decision-makers will likely face soon.

ESPN.com’s Marc Stein reports that Bynum, who is visiting Cleveland now, also has sit-down meetings scheduled in Dallas and Atlanta this week. Medical evaluations by the teams’ athletic trainers and physicians should be part of those meetings, providing a big piece of the puzzle front offices must ponder before bidding for Bynum.

The Cavaliers have $15 million in cap space and could make a big one-year offer, potentially complicating the process for the Mavs.

If Cleveland guarantees big money for one year, Bynum wouldn’t be motivated to sign a contract with the Mavs that included team outs after one season tied into the health of his problematic knees. Maybe a deal could be worked out that included partial guarantees for the second season, with triggers based off minutes or games played to guarantee more money.

The Mavs have approximately $8 million in salary-cap space at the moment. That could increase to $8.6 million if the Mavs waived the nonguaranteed contracts of guard Josh Akognon and center Bernard James – or $8.3 million if they waived just one of them.

Would that be enough to get Bynum? What if it’s a multi-year deal? The Mavs could go as high as approximately $37 million over four years if they dump the nonguaranteed deals.

The Mavs might also have to decide whether taking a chance on Bynum merits creating additional cap space. In other words, would they be willing to move Shawn Marion or Vince Carter if the bidding for Bynum goes higher than their current cap space?

Bynum represents the Mavs’ best chance to acquire a cornerstone-quality player -- or, really, just a starting-caliber center -- this summer after Dallas didn’t win the Dwight Howard sweepstakes. But he’s also a huge risk. The Mavs must determine how much they’re willing to bet on Bynum.


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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby abeer3 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:33 pm

i'm guessing dallas offers him 3-4 years at 8 per (with some non-guaranteed stuff on the back end) and Cleveland and Atlanta offer him 15 for one year. if i'm him, i'd take Dallas's offer. his knees are shaky (to say the least), and if he gets bought out at the end, he can make more money on top of the buyout.

edit: wrong. Cleveland offered 2 years, 24 million, but second year is team option. that's actually worse than I thought they'd offer. if i'm dallas, I tell him i'll offer him three years, 24 million with partial guarantees that ensure he gets more than 12 total.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:53 pm

Cavs make Andrew Bynum $24 million offer
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The Cleveland Cavaliers are pushing for free-agent center Andrew Bynum to accept a two-year, $24 million-plus, incentive-based contract offer, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Monday night.

Andrew Bynum didn't play a game for the Sixers last season. (AP)The Cavaliers met with Bynum in Cleveland on Monday, but could fast lose patience with waiting on the two-time NBA champion center to make a decision on accepting the offer, which includes a team option in the second year of the deal, sources said.

Bynum, 25, left Cleveland to travel to Atlanta to meet with Hawks officials, and Cleveland has begun to engage free agents Andrei Kirilenko and Elton Brand on possible one-year deals that would preclude the Cavaliers from the ability to sign Bynum, league sources said.

Cleveland wants a team option on a second contract year to protect it against losing Bynum to 2014 free agency should his damaged knees heal enough to allow him to make a resurgence this season. The incentives of a possible Bynum contract could include minimal hurdles of completing training camp and reaching minutes and games-played plateaus in the regular season, league sources said.

Bynum's camp has been shopping for one-year, high-money deals that would allow him to hit the market again next year, sources said.

For the Cavaliers, the possibility of a Bynum reclamation project taking shape in Cleveland, coupled with All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving, could be the cornerstones of a recruiting pitch to bring back LeBron James in the summer of 2014.

Bynum missed the entire 2012-13 season with the Philadelphia 76ers, after chronic knees problems ultimately required surgery. Every team with an interest in Bynum is reluctant to commit significant guaranteed money – never mind long-term years – on a player whom even the most generous of medical opinions consider anything but a significant risk to miss more games this season and beyond.

Bynum had his best NBA season in 2011-12 with the Los Angeles Lakers, averaging 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds. He was sent to the 76ers as part of the four-team deal that delivered Dwight Howard to the Lakers. Knee injuries have plagued him throughout much of his eight-year NBA career.


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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:32 pm

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Sense I get, though, is Cavs only really worried about Dallas here after -- according to @wojyahoonba -- putting two-year deal on table

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As ESPN reported earlier Monday, Bynum went to Cleveland first and proceeds now to face-to-face recruiting meetings with Hawks and Mavs

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Why Cavs willing to gamble on him? Among key factors I've heard: They know how rarely former All-Star centers are on market ... AND gettable
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:47 am

Andrew Bynum meeting with Hawks, decision expected Tuesday

By Ken Berger
July 9, 2013 9:31 AM ET

While he considers a two-year offer from Cleveland, Andrew Bynum is meeting with Hawks officials in Atlanta on Tuesday and expects to make a decision later in the day, league sources told CBSSports.com.

"There should be a deal today," said a person familiar with the negotiations.

Bynum, 25, missed the entire 2012-13 season with knee injuries after he was traded to Philadelphia as part of the four-team deal that sent Dwight Howard from the Magic to the Lakers. With Howard choosing to sign with the Houston Rockets and Andre Iguodala going to Golden State, Bynum will become the third key participant in the Howard trade to change teams in fewer than 12 months.

The Dallas Mavericks, who like the Hawks were rebuffed in their free-agent pursuit of Howard, also have expressed interest in signing Bynum. An All-Star in 2011-12, Bynum will likely have to accept a short-term, incentive-laden deal that will minimize his new team's exposure to injury risk while also giving Bynum the opportunity to flourish again if healthy.

Yahoo Sports reported that Cleveland has offered Bynum a two-year deal that could be worth as much as $24 million with playing-time incentives, including a team option in 2014-15.


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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:20 am

Looks like the Cavs are in the drivers seat right now. Dallas needs to do a S&T or find a taker for Marion or Carter in order to match Cavs.
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Postby revgen on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:04 pm

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Looks like the Mavs are in running for both Bynum and Ellis, but they need to deal Marion to clear the space to do it. We'll know in 24 hrs


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The Mavericks' Plan B, following their failed attempt to sign Dwight Howard, is to land both Andrew Bynum and Ellis. The Mavericks believe Ellis can play in the backcourt next to Jose Calderon. In order to make competitive offers to both Bynum and Ellis, the Mavs are shopping Shawn Marion and his $9 million expiring contract. So far, however, they've found no takers.


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Postby JSM on Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:50 pm

^ They've been shopping Marion since before the draft, even dangled their pick with it, if they were going to find a taker I think they would have done it by now. Unless there is now a team that's missed out on FAs and are desperate.
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Postby JSM on Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:53 pm

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Andrew Bynum & his camp are in contact w/ the Mavs & waiting to see if Dallas pulls off any deals to bolster the roster, source says.
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Postby revgen on Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:29 pm

Bynum's agent: No decision coming tonight
By Jason Lloyd Published: July 9, 2013

Andrew Bynum will not make a decision tonight and will visit Dallas tomorrow as planned, his agent, David Lee, told the Akron Beacon Journal on Tuesday.

Bynum concluded his visit with the Atlanta Hawks on Tuesday. Asked if a decision was expected this evening, Lee said, "Not that I'm aware of."

Asked when a decision could be forthcoming, Lee was vague and said it could be this week, but he couldn't say for sure.

Bynum visited the Cavaliers on Monday and left with a two-year offer, but refused to get into specifics of the visit.

"It's ongoing discussions and I'd prefer they stay private among the parties," Lee said.


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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:36 pm

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Teams in pursuit of Bynum given his "medicals" and supposedly not bad. Negotiations ongoing. As @JasonLloydABJ tweeted, no decision today.

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Told there's no truth to reports teams (especially Cavs) demanding answer from Bynum by tmrw. Always expected to be by week's end.

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Also, "no decision" doesn't necessarily mean Bynum is undecided. May just mean he isn't announcing it right away.

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Opposing GM on Bynum: "If I'm the Cavs I tell him sign Wednesday or forget it. No one's giving him a better offer and his agent knows it."

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NBA GM added Cavs are only team in pursuit of Bynum that make sense from team standpoint. "No way I'd sign him if it required another move."
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Postby revgen on Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:38 pm

SH Blog: For Cleveland, Dallas and Atlanta, the Bynum Safari Continues

By Ben Baroff
July 09, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Andrew Bynum, with his inclusion of the Cleveland Cavaliers as a “serious” candidate to land the two-time NBA champion center, has started what’s referred to as the “Bynum Safari” on the popular Cavs forum, RealCavsFans.com.

The term Bynum Safari stems from the legendary “Amar’e Safari” thread. The Amar’e Safari became the most popular thread in RealCavsFans history a few years back in 2009, when the Cavaliers were flirting with the opportunity to trade for Amar’e Stoudemire to pair with LeBron James (and entice him to stay, of course).

Amar’e-to-Cleveland rumors carried on for what seemed like years only to disappoint Cleveland when they gave up hope and settled for signed Antawn Jameson (instead of centering a deal around J.J. Hickson), effectively ending the Amar’e Safari.

While this may mean nothing to you, it does explain the current infatuation Cleveland has with Andrew Bynum, who was made a two-year, $24 million offer by the Cavs on Monday. CBSSports’ Ken Berger reported late Tuesday morning that Bynum would have a decision by this evening:

While he considers a two-year offer from Cleveland, Andrew Bynum is meeting withHawks officials in Atlanta on Tuesday and expects to make a decision later in the day, league sources told CBSSports.com.

“There should be a deal today,” said a person familiar with the negotiations.


If Berger were to be correct, I could have to rewrite this blog at any given minute.

Thankfully, I can work at more of a relaxed pace due to the latest report from the Akron Beacon Journal’s Jason Lloyd:

After visiting the Cavaliers’ facility on Monday, Bynum visited with the Atlanta Hawks on Tuesday and will meet with the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday, his agent, David Lee, told the Akron Beacon Journal. While reports surfaced early Tuesday morning that Bynum could make a decision by the end of the day, Lee said there is no timetable and was vague when asked if it will be made this week.

“It might be, but it’s hard to say,” Lee said. He wouldn’t get into specifics of the visits in Cleveland or Atlanta and wouldn’t disclose what the Hawks offered.

“It’s ongoing discussions and I’d prefer they stay private among the parties,” he said.


A few tweets by Sam Amico help clarify Lloyd’s report…

Told there’s no truth to reports teams (especially Cavs) demanding answer from Bynum by tmrw. Always expected to be by week’s end.

— Sam Amico (@SamAmicoFSO) July 9, 2013




Opposing GM on Bynum: “If I’m the Cavs I tell him sign Wednesday or forget it. No one’s giving him a better offer and his agent knows it.”

— Sam Amico (@SamAmicoFSO) July 10, 2013




If Cleveland does land Bynum, it will be their biggest free agent signing in quite some time. With apologies to Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones and Mo Williams, Bynum would clearly top the list. Jarrett Jack would fall to No. 2.

More importantly, the Cavs would be putting themselves in the ultimate low risk/high reward situation. The second year of their proposed deal includes a team-option. Hypothetically, if Bynum doesn’t work out this year, they can simply pass — without penalty — on bringing him back for year two and focus on making another major move in 2014′s heralded free agent class.

Cleveland’s proposed contract is also rumored to include several incentives that would protect them against Bynum’s extensive injury history such as games and minutes played. They would also be protected by what is known as “Exhibit 3″ in the NBA’s new CBA. ESPN’s Larry Coon explains it well here:

Coon: I’d say four years, $64 million — with an “Exhibit 3″ to protect them. Bynum is an interesting case. If healthy, you know that some team is going to max him out. But he’s not healthy, and never really has been. Contracts can be written with an escape clause called Exhibit 3, which is a prior injury exclusion. It’s what Brandon Roy got with the Timberwolves, and it allowed them to walk away from Roy without owing additional money. It says that if the team waives the player because of a prior, known injury, then his salary is not guaranteed. Exhibit 3 is tailor-made for this situation, and gives teams the insurance they need to offer him a higher salary.

Despite their cursed history, Cleveland fans should be feeling pretty good right now. Chris Grant has made Bynum a lucrative offer with an exceptional amount of team protection, which also gives Bynum the ability to play his way back onto the NBA map and capitalize on another big contract in 1-2 years.

Brand reinvention may be harder than brand invention. And for Bynum, once unanimously thought to be a max-player, is struggling to draw interest from the majority of teams in the NBA. This tweet from Sam Amick should put it all in perspective.

After getting waived by Minnesota, center Greg Stiemsma has attracted interest from approx 12 teams. New Orleans among those considering him

— Sam Amick (@sam_amick) July 10, 2013


Stiemsma 12, Bynum 3?

Once thought to be — by more than a few — the best center in the NBA, is seen far more as a risk than a reward. This is Bynum’s reality.

Exiled from Los Angeles, Bynum has been off the map for some time now.

Ironically, with all things considered, Cleveland of all places has to look pretty appealing to Bynum right now.

Between the three teams he is considering — Dallas, Atlanta, Cleveland — the Cavs have by far the most talented roster, the most flexibility to improve that roster moving forward, a star point guard who won’t treat him as little brother, a coach he is familiar with and has had success under — Bynum averaged 18 points and 12 rebounds under Mike Brown in 2011-’12 — and the opportunity to be treated by the world’s best doctors at the Cleveland Clinic year-round.

None of this is to say the Cavs will land Bynum. After all, he has made strange decisions before. And would it surprise anybody if he was attracted to the bright lights of Dallas and the glitzy ownership of Mark Cuban?

Probably not.

Would it surprise anybody if Dallas, in a desperate pursuit of a big name, guaranteed Bynum a three or four-year contract?

Probably not.

And it would not surprise me to see Bynum take it.

Cleveland, you’re almost through the Bynum Safari.

Hang in there.


http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/07/09/sh-blog-for-cleveland-dallas-and-atlanta-the-bynum-safari-continues/

Nice article. A bit biased towards Cleveland, but still well written.
"Every time he’s hurt, he always plays, he always comes through."

- Metta World Peace on teammate Kobe Bryant
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