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Postby revgen on Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:31 am

Source: Bynum a possibility for the Mavericks
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DALLAS -- Ask the Mavs for a definitive backup plan to Dwight Howard and they don't offer definitive answers. But sources on Sunday told DallasBasketball.com and FOXSports exclusively about how Andrew Bynum represents an "imperfect Plan B" – and how Dallas' contact with Bynum is focusing on his willingness to include protection from his knee problems via a little-used section of the NBA Uniform Player Contract, Exhibit 3.

"Once you've got degenerative knees," one Dallas Mavericks source says, "you really don't ever get better. You can get functional. But not better."

A fully healthy Andrew Bynum would be more than functional. He'd be a max player, a terrific consolation prize for the team that finished second in the Dwight Howard Sweepstakes. Yes, even with Bynum's flakiness (which in a sense is not unlike Howard's flakiness), he's just 25 and has experienced moments of All-Star awesomeness.

The Lakers were prepared to build a franchise around him. Then the Sixers were prepared to do the same.

What's in play for the Mavs to do the same?

There are arguments to be made for any number of Plan B options. But, "There are no ‘grade-A' guys in there, in terms of giving them the money they go into this process wanting," a source says.

And none of those players are bigger and better than the 7-foot, 285-pound Bynum – when he's healthy The last time he was right, in 2011-12, he was a major NBA force, averaging 18.7 points, 11.8 rebounds and 1.9 blocks.

Dallas' discussions with Bynum will only get serious, of course, if the courting of Dwight fails. (The Mavs are scheduled to meet Howard in LA on Tuesday.) At that time, two wings of the Dallas front office will be deeply involved. Casey Smith and Dallas' medical team will have its hands full (and maybe will qualify as a selling point to Bynum). And owner Mark Cuban and company will have to be creative in protecting the Mavs from risk by constructing a contract that one source says might be a one- or two-year deal heavy with stay-healthy incentives.

We get indications Dallas would be willing to consider using half of its theoretical available $18 mil on Bynum -- giving him an annual salary that may be a slight bump over the $8-mil, one-year deal given Chris Kaman last summer.

But for the Mavs, an even bigger factor in what they will offer will be the ability to protect against the possibility that Bynum's knees are permanently gone. Not only would it be a huge financial blow to sign him to a big contract only to lose him to injury, but it would also cripple the team's cap for years. Our understanding is that, to this end, the Mavs' negotiations with Bynum and his agent will focus on his willingness to include protection for the team from his knee problems via a little-used section of the NBA Uniform Player Contract, Exhibit 3.

In essence, Exhibit 3 makes the player, not the team, take the financial risk of his prior injury happening again.

It will be an imperfect offer to Bynum. And he might be an imperfect signing. But it's a Mavs' Plan B – featuring the NBA's Exhibit 3.

But let's say in the summer after the first season, he somehow hurts his knees and comes to training camp hobbling with no healthy end in sight. At that point, the Mavs - if they felt they would be better off walking away - could waive him under Exhibit 3's protection and would only owe him $6 million ($2 million for each of the remaining 3 seasons). And under the stretch rule, the payout and cap hit on that would be spread over 7 seasons, at about $835,000 per season.

The Mavs, if Dwight goes elsewhere, will pitch themselves to Bynum as a "start-over'' opportunity. A new city with stable ownership and coaching with an on-court role that was tailored to Dwight ... but can be easy re-tailored to him.


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This is the kind of injury clause that teams will most likely offer Bynum if they do sign him to a max deal.

It wouldn't be "insane" to offer him a multi-year deal under these conditions.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:12 pm

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Dallas Mavericks have been officially notified they are out of Dwight Howard Sweepstakes, sources tell ESPN


So we'll see what their plan b is.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:32 pm

Guaranteed they will sign Bynum now...offer him max with that stipulation in the contract.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:08 pm

Plan B: Andrew Bynum and a veteran PG?


By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com

Mark Cuban says it’s on to Plan B for the Mavericks.

Really, it’s Plan D, but let’s not get too picky about alphabetical matters at this point. The Mavs whiffed on Deron Williams last summer, never got to sit down with Chris Paul and couldn’t convince Dwight Howard to headline Dallas’ two-year plan.

All the big fish have picked other ponds. So … now what?

Here’s my suggestion: Take one more home run swing. Bet on Andrew Bynum.

The Mavs better hedge that bet, of course. They’d have to insist on language in the contract that includes a team out if Bynum’s knees keep him off the court, as they did all last season in Philadelphia. The easiest way to do that is agreeing to an Exhibit 3 protection, which allows a team to waive a player if he’s unable to play because of specified prior injuries, which is how Minnesota got out of Brandon Roy’s contract this summer. There could also be guarantees based on minutes or games played.

If Bynum and agent David Lee agree to that, go ahead and throw big money at him. He’s the one potential dominant force still available in free agency.

Hold your breath and hope that the 25-year-old 7-footer can return to 2011-12 form, that he can get back to being a big man who puts up 18.7 points, 11.8 rebounds and 1.9 blocks per game. Hope that athletic trainer Casey Smith can help Bynum get his career back on track, just as he did when Tyson Chandler arrived in Dallas as damaged goods a few years ago.

The Mavs should be able to sign Bynum and get a proven veteran point guard. They’ve been in touch with the agents for Jose Calderon, Mo Williams, Jarrett Jack and Monta Ellis.

Add one of those point guards and a relatively healthy Bynum, and the Mavs ought to be back in the playoffs in 2013-14 with a bunch of money to spend again next summer.

And if Bynum is a bust? Well, the Mavs will be right back in the lottery, but maybe they’ll have better luck in a loaded draft next year.

There are no easy answers for the Mavs. All those guys decided they’d prefer to play somewhere other than Dallas.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4696826/plan-b-andrew-bynum-and-a-veteran-pg


They already picked up their Veteran PG in Calderon. Looks like they're eyeing Bynum next. With Bynum (healthy), Dirk, Calderon, Vince, Marion, and solid coach in Carlisle, they'll be solid, but they're not going to beat San Antonio.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:35 am

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Mavs' post-Dwight interest in Bynum is legit. They ARE pursuing him. Yet it's been made clear they'll make detailed/careful evaluation first

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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:42 pm

Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:33 pm

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I just heard if Andrew Bynum agrees to a deal with the Mavericks, the #Sixers will ask for an expiring contract & a future pick in return.

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The expiring contract will likely be Shawn Marion's $9.3M deal and the #Sixers will also look for a second round pick in the 2014 Draft.

@JakeLFischer 7h @illbFRANKwithu To say a #Sixers-Mavs S&T is a done deal is very premature. There is simply interest on both sides.

@JakeLFischer 6h Potentially the #Sixers could pay Shawn Marion and Jason Richardson a combined $15+M to sit behind the bench in suits next season.

@JakeLFischer 6h@TomWelke The S&T would create cap space for Dallas to bring in one more key contributor to likely replace OJ Mayo.


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Add in the Devin Harris & Calderon signings, it looks like the Mavs are pulling out all the stops to give Dirk one last chance at a ring.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:02 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.


It's not as ideal for him as Philly would have been. Besides Harris, the rest of the cast are old. But at least they have shooters to spread the floor for him in Dirk and Calderon. And playing for Carlisle sure beats playing for Potatohead.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Scnottaken on Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:52 am

Rooscooter wrote:Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.

But then he'll complain about touches and become lackadaisical on D.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:47 am

Dallas experiences with ex Lakers have not been a success .. I doubt the Bynum one would be different
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:55 am

Scnottaken wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Bynum in Big D would be a good match for him actually. He would have the focus on Dirk most nights and the ability to work in an open lane. If he can stay healthy he could have a very good season there.

But then he'll complain about touches and become lackadaisical on D.


That better describes Dwight "stat sheet" Howard than Bynum.

Unlike Dwight, Bynum at least had the offensive skills to warrant asking for touches in the first place.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby JSM on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:48 pm

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Team to watch in chase for Andrew Bynum: Cleveland. Hearing Cavs not only have legit interest but can also make lucrative one-year offer

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Cavs likely won't be factor if Bynum proves healthy enough to command multi-year deal. But hard to beat if Bynum settles for one-year pact
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby Tobias Funke on Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:02 pm

It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out. Hopefully we get some rough details on what deals he turned down in addition to the one he eventually signs for.
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Postby ThizGuy83 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:15 pm

Bynum to mavs. Hopefully he's good and ready to go. So he can punk Howard around 4 times a season
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Cleveland:

Pros:

Young core. Irving, Waiters, Varajao, Thompson, etc offer young talent that could grow with experience.

Weak Conference: Besides Hibbert, there really isn't much of any competition for Bynum in the east.

Cons:

Coaching: Mike Brown may not be what Bynum wants in a coach.

Ownership: Dan Gilbert's "comic sans" approach to communication may be a turnoff.

City - Cleveland is not an attractive city to live in. It's not as bad as Detroit, but it comes close.

Mavs

Pros

Solid vets: Carter, Marion, Dirk, and Calderon know the game. Dirk has been to the Finals twice. Winning once. Calderon won a gold medal for Spain. All solid pros.

Coaching: Carlisle is a solid coach with a championship ring for his credit. He's not Phil, Pop, or Adelman, but he's a definite notch above Mike Brown.

Ownership: Cuban can be annoying, but he is committed to winning and has the deep pockets to pay for it.

Medical Staff: They aren't Phoenix, but they did rescue Tyson Chandler from the dead. They could do the same for Bynum.

Taxes - No income tax in Texas.

City - Dallas is a nice city to live in. Much better compared to Cleveland.

Cons

Old team: The future in Dallas is somewhat murky. Not a lot of young pieces. After Dirk and vets leave, it'll be tough sledding.

Injury Clause: Although Dallas is willing to offer a multi-year deal, it may come with injury clauses included. It may be better to sign for one year, play healthy and well and earn a better contract in 2014, which will have more teams in the FA hunt.
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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:41 am

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Update on Cavs' pursuit on Andrew Bynum: ESPN sources say Bynum scheduled to be in Cleveland today for face-to-face recruiting sitdown


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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:56 am

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Another Andrew Bynum update: ESPN has learned that Bynum has also scheduled face-to-face recruiting meetings in Atlanta & Dallas this week


I don't see why Atlanta would want to sign him when they have Horford and Milsap.
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Postby TIME on Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:20 pm

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Another Andrew Bynum update: ESPN has learned that Bynum has also scheduled face-to-face recruiting meetings in Atlanta & Dallas this week


I don't see why Atlanta would want to sign him when they have Horford and Milsap.


Start Bynum at 5, Horford at 4, and Milsap as first big off the bench.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: POR, CLE, DAL, ATL interested (p. 295)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:25 pm

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Another Andrew Bynum update: ESPN has learned that Bynum has also scheduled face-to-face recruiting meetings in Atlanta & Dallas this week


I don't see why Atlanta would want to sign him when they have Horford and Milsap.


Start Bynum at 5, Horford at 4, and Milsap as first big off the bench.


Yeah, but I don't think Louis Williams and Kyle Korver are enough perimeter talent to support that frontline. They need a guard who can draw more defensive attention to help spread the floor.
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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:01 pm

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Free-agent center Andrew Bynum expected to meet with Cavs in Cleveland today, ESPN reports its sources say.

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Source describes Andrew Bynum-to-Cavs talk as "very real."

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Andrew Bynum meeting with Cavs, hopes for quick decision, sources say. @FOXSportsOH story: http://tinyurl.com/lmo52oe

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Cavaliers meeting with Andrew Bynum actually taking place at restaurant in Independence, OH. I said Cleveland earlier. #mybad

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Meanwhile, Hawks said to be "closing in" on deal with Monta Ellis. Also, Mavs plan to make pitch to Andrew Bynum.
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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:02 pm

Random Thought

If Bynum goes to Dallas, the southwestern division will be officially called the Big Man division.

Rockets - Howard
San Antonio - Duncan
Memphis - Gasol and Randolph
Dallas - Bynum
New Orleans - Anthony Davis

These teams will be playing each other as many as 4 times a year. Bynum will have his work cut out for him.
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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:09 pm

How much should Mavs bid on Andrew Bynum?
July, 8, 2013
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By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com

How much is Andrew Bynum worth?

How does an NBA front office determine the value of a 25-year-old center who was an All-Star two years ago and didn’t play a second last season? That’s the challenge the Dallas decision-makers will likely face soon.

ESPN.com’s Marc Stein reports that Bynum, who is visiting Cleveland now, also has sit-down meetings scheduled in Dallas and Atlanta this week. Medical evaluations by the teams’ athletic trainers and physicians should be part of those meetings, providing a big piece of the puzzle front offices must ponder before bidding for Bynum.

The Cavaliers have $15 million in cap space and could make a big one-year offer, potentially complicating the process for the Mavs.

If Cleveland guarantees big money for one year, Bynum wouldn’t be motivated to sign a contract with the Mavs that included team outs after one season tied into the health of his problematic knees. Maybe a deal could be worked out that included partial guarantees for the second season, with triggers based off minutes or games played to guarantee more money.

The Mavs have approximately $8 million in salary-cap space at the moment. That could increase to $8.6 million if the Mavs waived the nonguaranteed contracts of guard Josh Akognon and center Bernard James – or $8.3 million if they waived just one of them.

Would that be enough to get Bynum? What if it’s a multi-year deal? The Mavs could go as high as approximately $37 million over four years if they dump the nonguaranteed deals.

The Mavs might also have to decide whether taking a chance on Bynum merits creating additional cap space. In other words, would they be willing to move Shawn Marion or Vince Carter if the bidding for Bynum goes higher than their current cap space?

Bynum represents the Mavs’ best chance to acquire a cornerstone-quality player -- or, really, just a starting-caliber center -- this summer after Dallas didn’t win the Dwight Howard sweepstakes. But he’s also a huge risk. The Mavs must determine how much they’re willing to bet on Bynum.


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Postby abeer3 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:33 pm

i'm guessing dallas offers him 3-4 years at 8 per (with some non-guaranteed stuff on the back end) and Cleveland and Atlanta offer him 15 for one year. if i'm him, i'd take Dallas's offer. his knees are shaky (to say the least), and if he gets bought out at the end, he can make more money on top of the buyout.

edit: wrong. Cleveland offered 2 years, 24 million, but second year is team option. that's actually worse than I thought they'd offer. if i'm dallas, I tell him i'll offer him three years, 24 million with partial guarantees that ensure he gets more than 12 total.
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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:53 pm

Cavs make Andrew Bynum $24 million offer
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The Cleveland Cavaliers are pushing for free-agent center Andrew Bynum to accept a two-year, $24 million-plus, incentive-based contract offer, league sources told Yahoo! Sports on Monday night.

Andrew Bynum didn't play a game for the Sixers last season. (AP)The Cavaliers met with Bynum in Cleveland on Monday, but could fast lose patience with waiting on the two-time NBA champion center to make a decision on accepting the offer, which includes a team option in the second year of the deal, sources said.

Bynum, 25, left Cleveland to travel to Atlanta to meet with Hawks officials, and Cleveland has begun to engage free agents Andrei Kirilenko and Elton Brand on possible one-year deals that would preclude the Cavaliers from the ability to sign Bynum, league sources said.

Cleveland wants a team option on a second contract year to protect it against losing Bynum to 2014 free agency should his damaged knees heal enough to allow him to make a resurgence this season. The incentives of a possible Bynum contract could include minimal hurdles of completing training camp and reaching minutes and games-played plateaus in the regular season, league sources said.

Bynum's camp has been shopping for one-year, high-money deals that would allow him to hit the market again next year, sources said.

For the Cavaliers, the possibility of a Bynum reclamation project taking shape in Cleveland, coupled with All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving, could be the cornerstones of a recruiting pitch to bring back LeBron James in the summer of 2014.

Bynum missed the entire 2012-13 season with the Philadelphia 76ers, after chronic knees problems ultimately required surgery. Every team with an interest in Bynum is reluctant to commit significant guaranteed money – never mind long-term years – on a player whom even the most generous of medical opinions consider anything but a significant risk to miss more games this season and beyond.

Bynum had his best NBA season in 2011-12 with the Los Angeles Lakers, averaging 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds. He was sent to the 76ers as part of the four-team deal that delivered Dwight Howard to the Lakers. Knee injuries have plagued him throughout much of his eight-year NBA career.


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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:32 pm

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Sense I get, though, is Cavs only really worried about Dallas here after -- according to @wojyahoonba -- putting two-year deal on table

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As ESPN reported earlier Monday, Bynum went to Cleveland first and proceeds now to face-to-face recruiting meetings with Hawks and Mavs

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Why Cavs willing to gamble on him? Among key factors I've heard: They know how rarely former All-Star centers are on market ... AND gettable
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