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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby revgen on Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:35 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I feel for the Cap. He's arguably the greatest center ever and relative scrubs like Bynum and the Kandiman tune him out.


Last I checked, Bynum worked with Kareem for 4 years. Bynum credits Kareem for teaching him the footwork and fundamentals that made him an all-star last season. Not exactly what I'd call a "scrub" and not exactly what I'd call "tuning out". When Dwight works out with Kareem for more than 4 years, let me know. Otherwise, there hasn't been a player in the NBA that has listened and worked with Cap more than Bynum has.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby bystander on Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:30 pm

Bynum a scrub ? I would like more like him for the Lakers.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:40 pm

I said "relative" scrub, guys, meaning they're scrubs compared to KAJ.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby revgen on Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:44 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I said "relative" scrub, guys, meaning they're scrubs compared to KAJ.


I think you're trying too hard.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby ThizGuy83 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:09 pm

i could be wrong... correct me if i am... but after bynum decided to stop working with kareem... didnt kareem say bynum pretty much knows everything now... it was just a matter of doing it on the court?
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby revgen on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:37 pm

^Yep. He said that Bynum just needs experience. There's a point where what you learn in a practice environment isn't going to help you anymore. Most of what Bynum and Kareem were doing the last 2 years they were working together was Kareem giving Drew some pointers here and there.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby dj vitus on Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:52 pm

thkthebest wrote:You guys would throw the max contract at Rondo? :man3:

Rondo's going to be 29 going on 30 that season. I'm sure there are better options than throwing the max contract on 29/30 year old Rondo. It's not even the spacing problem. The Rondo/Dwight pnr would be pretty bad. The Lakers would be atrocious in FT% (probably last in the league) with Rondo (the worst FT shooting guard) and Dwight (the worst FT shooting center) to lead the way. Turnovers would be another issue too.

At least, Love would make sense. Maybe Mitch can pull something off there.

Just switch to Irving, then. Throw the max for KLove, then S&T for a max Irving (I think he's restricted in 2015) after he gets sick of losing and demands a trade. :man1:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby gcclaker on Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:20 am

brandonr2001 wrote:i could be wrong... correct me if i am... but after bynum decided to stop working with kareem... didnt kareem say bynum pretty much knows everything now... it was just a matter of doing it on the court?

Yep...all they were doing was just reps. Jackson then took over to prepare him mentally and let him know what he wanted. The pre-game warm-ups were conducted by Darvin Ham at least it was last season I think.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:44 pm

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Top five in PPP allowed on post-up defense min 100 poss: Brand, Blake, Hibbert, Perk, Paul. Bynum 6th.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:29 am

No surprise. Andrew Bynum is a very good overall defender. If he was more consistent as far as effort he could be the best even better than Howard.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby ThizGuy83 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:40 pm

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:No surprise. Andrew Bynum is a very good overall defender. If he was more consistent as far as effort he could be the best even better than Howard.

well we will find out this season if he will do it consistently since its pretty much his team now...
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby The Rock on Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:19 am

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Well thats the thing, there aren't many post up players in the league and you can still take shots in the paint without getting at the rim (The midrange game). Drew is good at certain things but thats why the other teams gameplan around exploiting his mobility and whatever his weakness is on offense.

We'll see how he does in Philly. If he takes down Miami ) :man10: then more power to him
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby 24K GOLD on Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:03 pm

thkthebest wrote:You guys would throw the max contract at Rondo? :man3:

I wouldn't, not even now.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby revgen on Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:58 pm

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By the way, minimum 100 possessions at-rim defense non-post-up, Bynum is tops, allowed just 35.2 AT THE FREAKING RIM.
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I'm not surprised.

Which as I've said time and time again, we should have been funneling the guards to him in the paint instead of him going out to the 3pt line. We have Mike Clown to thank for that.

The reason why Bynum's defense was impressive in 2011 was because we were actually funneling baseline to him. Granted, the funneling scheme we used wasn't very good and teams started figuring it out as the season wore on, but instead of trying to improve our funneling strategies the next season, we just used Bynum like he was Anderson Varajao.

Anyhoo, If Philly is smart, they'll look at how the Lakers used him in 2011 and improve on it.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby KB&AB on Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:11 pm

Q: What is your concern level with the things that have been said about Bynum's sometimes lack of maturity?

DC: I have zero concern. One thing is I never judge a man from a distance. Sometimes people want to pull out one or two things . . . but you could pull out things on all the great players in the NBA. Andrew is an incredibly well-spoken young guy. He's articulate, he's bright, he's smart and he knows the game. I think he's happy to be home. He just got a place in the suburbs here and said he loves being here on the East Coast. I think he views this as a great opportunity to be viewed as a central figure on a team every single night that's going to count on him. I think he views this as a step in his career where he really has a chance to show what he's all about. He's got a good sense of humor. I feel really good about him.


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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:37 pm

He's got a good sense of humor.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby revgen on Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:57 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:He's got a good sense of humor.

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Philly's still going to suck.


What Collins is inferring is that he doesn't believe he'll have to worry about Bynum taking criticism.

Philly hasn't "sucked" for awhile now. They've made the postseason 4 times in the last 5 years. Basically a typical non-contending playoff team. I don't see that changing much next season either. The only difference is that they are younger with Brand and Iggy gone.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby revgen on Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:12 pm



Thanks for sharing the article.

Here's another quote that I like.

Q: What about offensively? Last year you primarily relied on the running game to get points. Now you have a center who will allow you to play more halfcourt offense. Is that the plan?

DC: No, I think you're going to see us shoot a lot of threes in transition. We're going to play through the post with Bynum. We're going to be a slashing, cutting team off of the ball in the post but at the same time we're going to have good spacing. For us, we're going to want to push the ball as much as we can, get the ball ahead and Nick and Dorell and Jrue [Holiday] and Jason

Richardson can really shoot the threes, so we want to take advantage of that, especially in the open court. You also get them out of the post when Andrew is being doubled, so we're working with him to make sure he recognizes double teams and gets the ball out to the right spots.


Drew will be in good hands with Collins. He understands that a big man doesn't just need shooting. He needs to have guys moving and cutting off the ball. He also understands that they can't just rely on Bynum exclusively. They need to get out and get easy baskets too. Especially since they only have one proven all-star.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:17 am

Shooters that can actually shoot and players that cut off the ball...... Bynum won't' know what to do with all the "motion" around him..... :man10: I think he will grow and thrive in this situation.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby Finwë on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:40 am

There's an ESPN insider article about who's likely to go from "star" to "superstar" in this upcoming season. Bynum's on the list. Can someone with insider access post the article here?
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby D.B. Cooper on Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:29 pm

Drew pass out of a double!? lulz
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:39 pm

^^It's not that hard when you have respected shooters and players that actually move without the ball..... Something he hasn't experienced yet.... I think he'll do just fine in a system that works to his abilities.....
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby The Rock on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:46 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^It's not that hard when you have respected shooters and players that actually move without the ball..... Something he hasn't experienced yet.... I think he'll do just fine in a system that works to his abilities.....


we didn't have phenomenal cutters or shooters in 2010 and we still won a championship. It can be done. If it has to be taylor fitted to maximize his numbers then this team isn't going far.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:15 am

Finwë wrote:There's an ESPN insider article about who's likely to go from "star" to "superstar" in this upcoming season. Bynum's on the list. Can someone with insider access post the article here?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8390588/nba-andrew-bynum-ryan-anderson-kyrie-irving-cusp-becoming-superstars-season


Here you go.....

From great to superstar in 2012-13?
Irving, Anderson and Bynum are poised to reach new heights this season
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Irving, Anderson and Bynum are all poised to take a huge step toward superstardom this season.
It's that time of the year, when we start hearing about players being in the best shape of their career. They either lose 15 pounds of fat or gain 15 pounds of muscle. Everyone is optimistic about the upcoming season, and expectations are high.

But for some players, exuberance wouldn't be irrational. Every season we see players break out from pack, but it's even tougher to make the leap from star to superstar. Who's the next star to catapult into the MVP discussion in 2012-13, as Kevin Love did last season?

Here are three prime candidates as we head into training camp season.

Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers
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Kyrie Irving was a model of efficiency during a spectacular rookie season.
You could make the argument that no NBA player has ever been this good this young. It's almost impossible to exceed expectations as a No. 1 overall pick, but Irving managed to do that as a rookie for the rebuilding Cavaliers team. Irving averaged 18.5 points, 5.4 assists and 3.7 rebounds last season while shooting incredibly efficient from deep (39.9 percent on threes) and at the free throw line (87.2 percent).

All in all, Irving registered a 21.4 player efficiency rating and dominated crunch time. These numbers are impressive on their own, but they become staggering when you consider that a) he was a teenager last season and b) he barely played 30 minutes a game.

It's the best PER we've seen from a 19-year-old in NBA history -- better than the likes of LeBron James, Tracy McGrady and Kobe Bryant when they entered the league. Irving's minute count is especially important to note because there's little chance that Irving will have a governor on his playing time like he did in his rookie season. Because the Cavs were ultraconservative with his minutes on the floor, Irving's numbers may come off as a little lower than those of a bona fide star. However, this is a guy who averaged 21.8 points, 6.4 assists and 4.4 rebounds when we translate his stat line to a per-36 minute level.

There's good reason to believe that his efficiency will only go up in Year 2. For one, he'll get his pick-and-roll partner back in Anderson Varejao as the recently jettisoned Antawn Jamison ranked as one of the worst pick-and-roll finishers in the league last season, according to Synergy. Pretty much anyone is an upgrade to Jamison there. Dion Waiters was a surprise pick at the No. 4 slot in the 2012 draft, but his athleticism should be a welcomed addition at the 2, a position that was split between Anthony Parker and Alonzo Gee last season.

Irving exploded onto the scene in his rookie campaign and aside from a minor hand injury during the summer, all signs point to Irving having a monster sophomore season. And did I mention he's 20 years old?

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Can Ryan Anderson continue his upward trajectory in New Orleans?
Wait, am I really picking the 2011-12 Most Improved Player award winner to make another big leap next season? Sounds greedy, but here's why that's asking too much of the 24-year-old: he didn't exactly "improve" last season so much as his minutes did. Anderson has been this good for years now, but 2011-12 was the first time that his playing time matched his immense talent.

He's more than just another Rashard Lewis. No one drained more threes last season than Anderson, but he sets himself apart from the regular cast of stretch 4s in that he also registered one of the best offensive rebounding rates in the league. It's a testament to Anderson's rare skill set that a guy who lives on the perimeter can snag so many second-chance opportunities. In fact, he became the first player in NBA history to hit at least 150 threes and grab more than 200 offensive rebounds in a single season.

Is Anderson nothing but a product of Dwight Howard's dominance? That seems to be a lingering question that has shadowed Anderson for his career, but who's to say that Howard isn't also a beneficiary of Anderson's floor-spacing ability? It's a two-way street. Anderson may be the perfect complement to Howard's paint attack, but that doesn't mean he's fully dependent on Howard.

There's a chance that we haven't seen Anderson's best yet. When Howard was on the court last season, Anderson averaged 19.3 points and 9.4 rebounds every 36 minutes, according to the fantastic NBA.com stats tool. In the 756 minutes that Anderson played with Howard on the bench last season? Anderson averaged 21.1 points and 9.9 rebounds. Yeah, I'd say Anderson can produce without Howard.

In his new digs in New Orleans, Anderson has a chance to shed the label that he's just a Howard free rider. As the second-highest salaried player on the team, the Hornets have 34 million reasons to give Anderson every opportunity to prove he's the league's next 20-and-10 guy. Like Irving, playing time might be the only thing standing in his way.

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Philly's focal point on offense and defense, All-Star Andrew Bynum could rise to even loftier heights.
Andrew Bynum, Philadelphia 76ers
There's no question that Bynum has the talent to crash the superstar party, but playing alongside Bryant and Pau Gasol may have been his barrier to entry. Can Bynum be a franchise player without having to share the spotlight with those two?

We actually know he can because he did it last season. Bynum spent about 20 percent of his playing time without both on the court in 2011-12 (384 minutes). How did he do in that time? To give you an idea, he posted a 23.2 PER in those 384 minutes. His overall PER? 23.1. Virtually identical.

Now, it's certainly the case that Bynum faced his fair share of second units in those minutes without Bryant and Gasol. But even if it wasn't stiff competition, it also meant that they could throw multiple bodies at Bynum without worrying about leaving a star open. Bynum saw his touches skyrocket without Bryant and Gasol out there (his usage rate soared from 19.2 percent to 28.7 percent), but the key is whether Bynum could maintain a healthy shooting efficiency with the extra scoring burden.

With the likes of Troy Murphy and Matt Barnes trying to dissuade defenders from creating a miniature flash mob in the paint, Bynum still shot 58.9 percent without Bryant and Gasol on the court, which is far better than his seasonal rate. His assisted rate plummeted from 73.4 percent to 56.4 percent, indicating that the dump-it-down-to-Bynum-in-the-post strategy happened a lot more (looking at the film confirmed there was a lot of this going on without Gasol and Bryant on the court). Still, Bynum flourished, not floundered, when he was forced to go it alone.

He'll have to do that against the starting lineups of the East next season, but he'll be banging with Kevin Garnett and Chris Bosh underneath, not behemoths like Marc Gasol and Marcin Gortat. And don't forget that Dwight Howard and Andrew Bogut conveniently left the East as well. Bynum has proven in short bursts that he can thrive as the first, second and third scoring option all at once. If he can stay healthy and lead the Sixers to the upper half of the East playoff picture, don't be surprised if he's at the center of the MVP discussion.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion

Postby Finwë on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:58 am

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