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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:56 pm

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It's true, there are banks in every city--but it was the way he said it in the context that it was said.


I think he wanted out of LA and he was going to get out either by trade or by being a FA..... Also remember that agents broker most of the trades that happen in this league months before they go down..... I'm sure LA's interest in Howard went back 2 years or so and Bynum's agent was fully aware of what LA wanted to do.... which was go for a new Face of the Franchise.

Knowing all of that and being in his position that comment would be "mild" compared to what I'd probably toss out there....... :man10:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby revgen on Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:04 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Just asking for more respect for the team that drafted you, invested in you, planned around you, and took care of you despite not knowing how it would end.


And Bynum returned the favor by playing on swollen limbs to help the team win 2 chips. And this same team also traded him for a primadonna who won absolutely nothing because that primadonna has a higher Q rating and a better health track record. You can talk all you want about loyalty. This is a business. Teams and players are going to find the situation that works best for them.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:49 pm

Fair enough. I'm not discounting the contributions he's made for this team. But I also think playing for the Lakers is special, & sure, maybe Bynum didn't buy that sentiment.

Didn't think about it from the agent/player perspective, though in my mind, part of that game is to keep your lips sealed. Admitting nothing gives you the most leverage.

Also by the logic that it's a "business" and people do what's best for them, isn't that what Howard was doing by getting out of ORL? How come more franchise players don't go left and right suggesting they are completely comfortable playing elsewhere...like Steve Nash?
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Psychobroker on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:00 am

Chillbongo wrote:
Psychobroker wrote:
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revgen wrote:I also don't recall Bynum smiling, laughing, and joking while we're down 19 points in a game. Especially when none of his teammates are doing so.


I can't speak to the other stuff, but I definitely remember Bynum doing this, did it on the bench, people here got pissed, I still don't see it as a big deal.

Not sure about laughing, but I do remember the

there's a bank in every city
comment...


^ I never saw what was wrong with that comment? He was asked about being traded, and instead of the typical response of ""well, the nba is a business", at leas he spiced it up with "there's a bank in every city". The idea is the same... this is a business, trades happen and guys keep getting paid to do what they do.


Well it wasn't the first of under-handed comments.

I don't know...being a Laker...being a prized Laker draft pick, having been unproven, having a completely RAW game, getting the chance to work with KAJ, having the GFOAT put faith in you and wait for you to develop, passing on J Kidd when he wasn't even proven, giving you a max deal on a bum knee... etc. the list goes on.

Dude at least owed us the respect of "I'm a Laker, this is where I play this is where I want to be. But it's a business & if something happens, there's banks in every city".

Even then I would've have criticized, but his comments reflect that he was all about the $$, whether true or not.


Not sure how you can't see the adversity he had to overcome - from the lofty standard of Shaq, Kareem, Wilt hanging over his head when he was drafted (youngest ever), getting up from the floor when Shaq HAMMERED one over him, only to respond with his own on Shaq, to the Kobe vid / tirade / trade demand of May 2007, with Bynum responding 6 months later by dominating out of the gate ad would have earned his first all-star nod, were it not for that damned injury landing on Odom's foot. He fought back from that and started to dominate again, only to get injured AGAIN against the Grizz, AGAIN by a teammate (Kobe rolling into his knee) while .... even after all that, after the Kobe demands for J-Kidd, injuries, etc, he STILL came back and finally earned the all-star nod last year. Not to mention him playing solid D on Dwight in the 2009 finals when he was in there, even on that same bad knee, as well as vs Boston in 2010 (7 blocks in game 3), only for critics to pile the blame on him and say he owed US something? LOL wut?

That kid bounced back from all the adversity, the HUGE microscope and proved he could be a top 1/2 center in the league... and he's not dedicated? no fire? that was the knock on him first .. which was wrong. Yes, he has a temper and a mean streak, and also a sense of entitlement... but that's not the same as Dwight's type of shallow immaturity. That's a guy who has PROVEN himself time and again, and felt his time was last year, and he handled the challenges with coaching decisions and perimeter defense poorly.

But to say he's immature in the sense of not having his basketball priorities in order is just flat wrong, just based on how he'd always bounce back from adversity. That's what chaps my balls about all the Bynum dumping. I just don't see how Dwight would have stood that immense pressure to perform, given his passive/aggressive nature. At least Bynum says what's on his mind and doesn't [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] around an issue.

And with that, he's having to prove himself again -- good for him, I look forward to seeing him do just that.

Now he's on the bike ... next is lateral movement/cuts in the next two weeks:

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Psychobroker on Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:55 pm

And working in the post.... look at :45 ... nice test and he seems sharp, but not much lift of course.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/Video-Sixers-Andrew-Bynum-posting-up-at-practice.html
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:07 pm

No denying what he's gone through, and I appreciate you narrowing it down year by year because it was a lot.

BUT, no, I never actually suggested his basketball priorities were out of place. And if you look above I said, "it sounded like he was all about the money, whether true or not".

It was the attitude that was pissing me off. It was although he was THAT good, his role on that Laker team was defense and rebounding and the 3rd offensive option, and he seemed to have a problem with that by his comments, three point shooting etc.

You could tell he was fed up and wanted out of LA. I just wished (knee aside) he thought like this: OK, I'm gonna do exactly what I need to do with Kobe & Pau to win rings, and once we do and they're gone, it's my franchise.

Unfortunately his knees & his mindset towards his role was a liability.

Dwight left being "the man" to come be a subordinate to Kobe. Bynum, having been subordinate, wanted to be the man.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Psychobroker on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:21 pm

^ hear you, but Dwight is already complaining about being in that role, even though he's 2nd in the league in touches among centers.. I get where you're coming from, but I also feel we would have won more games - particularly in the 2011 playoffs vs OKC - had we CONSISTENTLY used Andrew in the post instead of seeing Kobe go Kobe ball/iso on us in crunch time. Andrew had earned his spot, and was CLEARLY a unique offensive weapon, so to relegate a guy like that to 3rd wheel is just idiotic imho.

Now Dwight - well, he can't hit the side of a barn door and God forbid he gets fouled in the act of shooting.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:29 pm

And I agree. Andrew is day & night ahead of Bynum in terms of offense.

I think you meant the 2012 playoffs....and I just looked at the box scores here: http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2012/westseries6/

Yeah, I think game 3 or 4 Kobe went iso ball. But if you look at the stats we had even scoring distribution. Bynum was taking more shots than even Dwight this year, and rightfully so given that he actually has a post game.

But anyways, could we have gone to Bynum more? Sure. But if you remember he was absolutely terrible at handling double teams -- which is exactly what they started doing when he would dominate.

Chicken or egg though. There are definitely aspects of Bynum's game I dearly miss.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby revgen on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:06 pm

Chillbongo wrote:And I agree. Andrew is day & night ahead of Bynum in terms of offense.

I think you meant the 2012 playoffs....and I just looked at the box scores here: http://www.nba.com/playoffs/2012/westseries6/

Yeah, I think game 3 or 4 Kobe went iso ball. But if you look at the stats we had even scoring distribution. Bynum was taking more shots than even Dwight this year, and rightfully so given that he actually has a post game.

But anyways, could we have gone to Bynum more? Sure. But if you remember he was absolutely terrible at handling double teams -- which is exactly what they started doing when he would dominate.

Chicken or egg though. There are definitely aspects of Bynum's game I dearly miss.


Bynum was terrible at handling double-teams in the regular season. In the playoffs, he stopped turning the ball over so much while maintaining his assist average.

11-12 Regular season

1.4 apg/2.5 TOV

11-12 Postseason

1.5apg/1.3 TOV

He started passing out of the doubles quicker in the postseason than he did in the regular season. In the regular season he kept holding onto the ball looking for a "home run" pass.

The biggest problem we had in the postseason wasn't so much Bynum not handling doubles. It was us not moving off the ball when Bynum or Kobe were doubled or fronted. All we did was stand around. We tried to solve that problem by implementing the Princeton offense. That didn't turn out so well, and Mike Brown was canned.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:13 pm

what the actual f***....
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:54 pm

He's turning into Allen Iverson. Starting with the hair.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:32 am

Lol, it's better than the Beatles do he had going on for a while.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:23 am

Jazzygirl205 wrote:Lol, it's better than the Beatles do he had going on for a while.

no this is worse IMO
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby khmrP on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:52 am

his hair do has gotten more air time than his game :man10:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Bowling for dollars

Postby Maluco Beleza on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:27 am

Jazzygirl205 wrote:Lol, it's better than the Beatles do he had going on for a while.



lol nice beatles reference.... but the beatles had sweet freakin' hair that the whole generation and generations to come wanted and did.

i dont think any1 will be copying bynum anytime soon lol
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby nameant on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:15 am

His awful hair since he left has made me think we have some kind of standard for haircuts as an organization. It's understandable...the Lakers gotta keep it classy.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby 432J on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:39 am

wow, well that's not a shock
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby revgen on Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:05 am

Article title is slightly misleading. According to Bynum, he has had no setbacks. The pain he's experiencing in his left knee is soreness. There is no swelling. In other words, it's pain that he can play through.
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Congo Cash on Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:09 am

His knee is still sore? Shocking! :man4:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:54 am

Bynum switches timetable on return — The Sixers have done an admirable job of hanging around the Eastern Conference playoff picture (they’re three games behind Milwaukee for the No. 8 seed) despite not having Andrew Bynum all season and recently losing Jason Richardson for the rest of the season. Hope had come to Philly once Bynum finally started working out with the team recently and going through some drills. A post-All-Star break return was penciled in just a few weeks ago. But Bynum’s return is apparently being pushed back — again — as pain in his left knee is growing, writes Jason Wolf of USA Today:

Andrew Bynum has eased up on his workouts after experiencing “a lot of pain” in his left knee and is unsure if he’ll make his Philadelphia 76ers debut this month.

“I think I worked well for two days on the court and then I got a lot of pain,” Bynum said Monday, “so we backed down a little bit today. I’ll probably go on (the anti-gravity treadmill) tomorrow.”

There is no official target date for Bynum to join full-team practices, or for him to play in a game. But earlier this month, the one-time all-star center told reporters that he was hoping to appear in his first game with the Sixers “around the all-star break.”

Bynum was asked Monday whether he was still planning to play in a game this month.

“I’m not sure,” he said. “It’s all going to depend on if we get a setback or not. Right now, I think things are going well. I’m losing weight and staying on the court for as long as I can.”

But he also said the pain in his left knee “limits me from continuing to go.”

“I don’t know if it’s normal soreness, or if I’ll have to play with it,” Bynum said. “I don’t know what it is. It’s not anything that I haven’t felt, so it’s not new. And it continues to kind of go away over time, so it’s all good stuff. No swelling.”
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:32 pm

So...he's waiting to see if he can further damage it.

If it's just soreness and pain, he'll try to come back. Good job Drew -- wait for the prognosis and decide to play through the pain like a man!
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:59 pm

Chillbongo wrote:So...he's waiting to see if he can further damage it.

If it's just soreness and pain, he'll try to come back. Good job Drew -- wait for the prognosis and decide to play through the pain like a man!


yea it only took 2/3 of the season :man10:
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Re: Andrew Bynum Discussion: Guess what? Knee flares up.

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:08 pm

Haha...that's knee surgery for you
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