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Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:59 pm

He looks enormous.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Juronimo on Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:38 pm

He has to drop some weight for the sake of his knees. He can't become Shaq size. He looks massive.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby MadMax on Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:15 pm

He cut his hair! Finally...

Yeah, he looks freaking huge.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:14 pm

I am surprised he is so big. If his knees are still on the iffy side it could be problematic to say the least
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:34 pm

He's always been big. He's 7'1 and his ideal weight is 285lbs. He looks close to what he was as a Laker, if he's not there already.

Cavs GM Chris Grant said that Bynum was cleared for basketball activities 2 weeks ago and is already doing full court drills. He needs to be doing 5 on 5 scrimmages before he can be cleared to play in a game.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:36 pm

You can see it in the way he stands. His knees are under a tremendous amount of strain at an odd angle. He needs braces just to keep them from buckling completely under his weight.

He should be able to stay healthy with those huge braces on, but we'll see. I want him to do well, but I'm just not sure I have faith that he will. I think for a limited amount of time he can do some great things, but as soon as those knees start giving out again...
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:56 pm

Incorrect. He needs a brace for one knee. The one with the torn MCL from 2009 after Kobe fell into him. The brace protects the torn MCL. The left knee that buckled in 2008 doesn't require a brace.

His big problem is that his knees are somewhat arthritic and the meniscus tissue is thin. Braces aren't going to help with that. The clinic doctors are working with him to build leg muscle around the knees to add as an extra shock absorber and doing realignment exercises to help with the "v-angle" that he has. So far, he has shown no setbacks in full-court drills and his knees are feeling fine.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:04 pm

revgen wrote:Incorrect. He needs a brace for one knee. The one with the torn MCL from 2009 after Kobe fell into him. The brace protects the torn MCL. The left knee that buckled in 2008 doesn't require a brace.

His big problem is that his knees are somewhat arthritic and the meniscus tissue is thin. Braces aren't going to help with that. The clinic doctors are working with him to build leg muscle around the knees to add as an extra shock absorber and doing realignment exercises to help with the "v-angle" that he has. So far, he has shown no setbacks in full-court drills and his knees are feeling fine.

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Incorrect.

Or maybe, I should say that you don't know the why just the what. His knees are bowed and that puts pressure on the ligaments in those knees. the meniscus tissue is thin because of that. He tore his MCL because of that. You think that everyone's knees give out when someone falls on them? You think that LeBron never had someone fall on him? Or Shaq? Their bodies aren't/weren't flawed in that way and it's why they don't have to worry about it as much. That's WHY his knees have been degenerating over the years.

Obviously anybody falling into a leg enough or at just the right angle will give out, but Bynum's body is more prone to such injuries because of the way he's built biologically. Why do you think those "clinic doctors" are trying to build more muscle around the joints? Why do you think that's what needs to happen? Because his knees are built differently than other people's and are prone to certain movements.

It's not anything negative about Bynum himself, it's just a fact of life. Everyone is built differently and everyone has problems because of that. Every person has these problems.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:16 pm

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revgen wrote:Incorrect. He needs a brace for one knee. The one with the torn MCL from 2009 after Kobe fell into him. The brace protects the torn MCL. The left knee that buckled in 2008 doesn't require a brace.

His big problem is that his knees are somewhat arthritic and the meniscus tissue is thin. Braces aren't going to help with that. The clinic doctors are working with him to build leg muscle around the knees to add as an extra shock absorber and doing realignment exercises to help with the "v-angle" that he has. So far, he has shown no setbacks in full-court drills and his knees are feeling fine.

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Incorrect.

Or maybe, I should say that you don't know the why just the what. His knees are bowed and that puts pressure on the ligaments in those knees. the meniscus tissue is thin because of that. He tore his MCL because of that. You think that everyone's knees give out when someone falls on them? You think that LeBron never had someone fall on him? Or Shaq? Their bodies aren't/weren't flawed in that way and it's why they don't have to worry about it as much. That's WHY his knees have been degenerating over the years.

Obviously anybody falling into a leg enough or at just the right angle will give out, but Bynum's body is more prone to such injuries because of the way he's built biologically. Why do you think those "clinic doctors" are trying to build more muscle around the joints? Why do you think that's what needs to happen? Because his knees are built differently than other people's and are prone to certain movements.

It's not anything negative about Bynum himself, it's just a fact of life. Everyone is built differently and everyone has problems because of that. Every person has these problems.


Many do. Ask NFL players.

Ask Robin Lopez who suffered a knee sprain under similar circumstances, although not as severe, in a game against us 3 years ago.

When Matt Barnes flopped to the floor after taking minimal contact from Jared Dudley, he caused a chain of events that ended with Dudley falling (thanks to Barnes) into the side of Robin Lopez' left leg. Robin went the floor holding his knee in pain and the replay clearly showed Dudley hit Robin in the side and bent the knee inward -- not a direction it's designed to move.


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These injuries aren't that uncommon. His bowed legs hurt him when it comes to his gait and how he runs. Not when somebody bulls their way directly into his knee. That's what the brace is for. The bowed legs can only be dealt with through realignment exercises and building muscle around the joint to compensate for weakened meniscus tissue.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:50 pm

I'm not saying those injuries can't happen to people, that's not the point. The point is that when those things happen to him he's just more susceptible to serious injury. That brace definitely will help take the pressure off the joint.

There's no way to really stop him from being susceptible to those injuries, but yes the strengthening of the muscles around the joint is the best way to help. That and shedding some weight. His best bet would have been to get smaller, more streamlined, along with wearing the brace. The more weight he carries around, the more those knees are going to strain under the weight.

We'll see what happens. Hopefully he starts wearing a brace on both legs.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:16 pm

1) Of course he's more susceptible. When you suffer an MCL injury, you're likely to suffer another. Hence the brace. The brace doesn't protect the joint as much as it protects the already damaged MCL ligament.

2) The brace will not stop his main problem, which is his arthritic knees, which kept him out last season. If anything, it can make it worse since the brace transfers pressure to the bones themselves to take pressure off the MCL, promoting the chance for bone bruising. He shouldn't be wearing a brace to protect a ligament unless he absolutely has to.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:14 am

Well the arthritic nature of his knees happened because of the way his knees are built which is what I'm getting at. The brace takes the pressure off of the joint, but it adds added pressure (literally) to the bones and where they can and can't move, it adds pressure on his muscles mostly his hamstring, quads, soleus, and gastrocnemius.

It's not just that he's suffered an injury before. It's the way he's built, he's already predisposed to these injuries. I've seen guys who have larger, thicker menisci in his left knee. It lead to complications in his knee, ankle, and hip. It's just one of those things. The human body is almost always a mess.

Either way his best bet for long term playing in my opinion would be shedding upper body weight and working hard on his core strength and lower body conditioning.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby MadMax on Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:45 am

Whatever the reasons are, I am happy that he isn't a player Laker fans have to concern themselves with anymore. Anytime I watched him play for LA, I always had a worry in the back of my mind that he was going to injure one of his knees. I think he's just one of those kinds of players that will always be plagued with knee issues his entire career.

He'll be a big addition (no pun intended) to the Cavs, but does anyone here actually think he'll make it through an entire season without another knee issue coming up?
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:58 am

MadMax wrote:He'll be a big addition (no pun intended) to the Cavs, but does anyone here actually think he'll make it through an entire season without another knee issue coming up?


It depends upon how many minutes they play him. They have the luxury of having Varajao on the team so they don't have to rely entirely on Bynum at that position.

If they keep his minutes low, the likelihood of him getting injured again is lessened. Also, unlike the approach he took with the Lakers, his personal trainer and his doctor in NY are less involved this time around. The Cleveland Clinic is doing all of the rehab and monitoring of his health. We'll see whether that makes a difference or not. My understanding is that the Cleveland Clinic will be monitoring Bynum using the same techniques that the Phoenix doctors used on Jermaine O'Neal who also had arthritic knees but managed to play well in Phoenix.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby MadMax on Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:08 am

For his sake, I hope so. I like Drew as a player. He deserves to have some healthy seasons, and to help a young Cavs team make some serious noise in the East.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:52 am

He actually looks like he's ready for the season.... again after coming off injury. Our former "Big Guy", who didn't have injury issues to this degree, always came in at 360 and played his way into shape by Christmas.....

A lot of things not to like about his attitude but work ethic doesn't seem to be one. Knees are bad but coming back from the injuries and rehab is a whole lot of work. I've done it 5 times myself and I can attest to the amount of work it takes both physically and mentally to do it.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Weezy on Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:04 pm

I continue to wish him well in his career, and good health especially. He looks good here, in shape, like a man now, no longer a kid. I also hope he schools Dwight when he plays Houston, I've missed seeing what a center with actual offensive skills, moves, and fundamentals looks like.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:33 am

Andrew Bynum down to his playing weight, inching closer to return
By Jason Lloyd Published: October 17, 2013

CLEVELAND: Andrew Bynum is down to his “game weight,” a league source said, and continues to inch closer to a return to the court with the Cavs. Bynum has hit every milestone the team has set before him without any setbacks, including participating in 3 on 3 half-court scrimmages with teammates during Wednesday’s practice.

One of the next steps will be a full contact 5 on 5 practice, but that isn’t likely to happen for at least a few more days.
The Cavs are in a stretch of playing games every other night, meaning they likely won’t have another physically demanding practice until after concluding the preseason schedule Wednesday at Charlotte.

Bynum weighed more than 300 pounds when he signed with the Cavs, but has lost all the necessary weight. He was listed at 285 pounds during his final season with the Los Angeles Lakers.

The Cavs have been deliberately cautious with Bynum since he missed all of last season because of his knees. Greg Oden, who is trying to return to the league with the Miami Heat after missing four years with knee problems, suffered a minor setback shortly after his first practice. The Heat had to hold Oden out of practice after he had some swelling in his knee.

Bynum is happier now than he has been in a long time, a second source said recently. A league executive from an opposing team, who has studied Bynum and is familiar with his history, told the Beacon Journal over the summer that Bynum seemed to grow tired of Kobe Bryant "constantly in his ear. I think he just got sick of (Bryant)."

The Cavs aren't putting Bynum on any sort of timeline, but provided he doesn't have any setbacks, his debut is clearly inching closer. The Cavs open the regular season Oct. 30 at home against Brooklyn.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-1.275356/andrew-bynum-down-to-his-playing-weight-inching-closer-to-return-1.437699

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This isn't sourced, just opinion based on what I know: Bynum could play in opener or shortly after. No one with #Cavs ready to say it though


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Of course, that's assuming Bynum doesn't have any setbacks between now and then. So far, so good...

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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Juronimo on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:37 am

That's good to see. I hope he can get back on the court and return to dominance, except when he plays us of course.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby MadMax on Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:46 am

Just keep him off the bowling lanes and you'll be fine for now, Cleveland.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Scnottaken on Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:13 am

MadMax wrote:Just keep him off the bowling lanes and you'll be fine for now, Cleveland.

Bowling lanes, handicapped spots, hidden barber shops. . . they have their work cut out for them.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:43 am

strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:23 pm

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.


In 2009, yes.

In 2010, Bynum averaged 25mpg in the Finals, and 24mpg overall in the playoffs. LO & Pau performed "heavy lifting" during the Phoenix series where Bynum's immobility against the smallball Suns team needed to be addressed. Other than that, Bynum played the majority of the minutes at the center position for the other playoff series. Pau and Bynum's superior size advantage against Boston IMO was extremely important in winning the chip that year. Playoff series are won mostly by matchups and defense. Even though our defense was solid, our matchup advantage in the frontcourt was our ace in the hole. With Perkins on Bynum instead of KG. KG on Pau instead of LO, and Big Baby having to deal with LO, we had the upper hand that year.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:38 am

revgen wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.


In 2009, yes.

In 2010, Bynum averaged 25mpg in the Finals, and 24mpg overall in the playoffs. LO & Pau performed "heavy lifting" during the Phoenix series where Bynum's immobility against the smallball Suns team needed to be addressed. Other than that, Bynum played the majority of the minutes at the center position for the other playoff series. Pau and Bynum's superior size advantage against Boston IMO was extremely important in winning the chip that year. Playoff series are won mostly by matchups and defense. Even though our defense was solid, our matchup advantage in the frontcourt was our ace in the hole. With Perkins on Bynum instead of KG. KG on Pau instead of LO, and Big Baby having to deal with LO, we had the upper hand that year.


Most of the time, it was LO and Pau who actually finished games in the 4th quarter both years.

To Bynum's credit, he was playing on one leg in 2010.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:45 am

Bynum is happier now than he has been in a long time, a second source said recently. A league executive from an opposing team, who has studied Bynum and is familiar with his history, told the Beacon Journal over the summer that Bynum seemed to grow tired of Kobe Bryant "constantly in his ear. I think he just got sick of (Bryant)."


How idiotic is that?

Typical of Bynum's generation, i.e., no interest in learning from the greats who have gone before them.

Seems to be true not just in sports but in almost any given field nowadays.
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