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Postby revgen on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:33 am

Andrew Bynum down to his playing weight, inching closer to return
By Jason Lloyd Published: October 17, 2013

CLEVELAND: Andrew Bynum is down to his “game weight,” a league source said, and continues to inch closer to a return to the court with the Cavs. Bynum has hit every milestone the team has set before him without any setbacks, including participating in 3 on 3 half-court scrimmages with teammates during Wednesday’s practice.

One of the next steps will be a full contact 5 on 5 practice, but that isn’t likely to happen for at least a few more days.
The Cavs are in a stretch of playing games every other night, meaning they likely won’t have another physically demanding practice until after concluding the preseason schedule Wednesday at Charlotte.

Bynum weighed more than 300 pounds when he signed with the Cavs, but has lost all the necessary weight. He was listed at 285 pounds during his final season with the Los Angeles Lakers.

The Cavs have been deliberately cautious with Bynum since he missed all of last season because of his knees. Greg Oden, who is trying to return to the league with the Miami Heat after missing four years with knee problems, suffered a minor setback shortly after his first practice. The Heat had to hold Oden out of practice after he had some swelling in his knee.

Bynum is happier now than he has been in a long time, a second source said recently. A league executive from an opposing team, who has studied Bynum and is familiar with his history, told the Beacon Journal over the summer that Bynum seemed to grow tired of Kobe Bryant "constantly in his ear. I think he just got sick of (Bryant)."

The Cavs aren't putting Bynum on any sort of timeline, but provided he doesn't have any setbacks, his debut is clearly inching closer. The Cavs open the regular season Oct. 30 at home against Brooklyn.

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Of course, that's assuming Bynum doesn't have any setbacks between now and then. So far, so good...

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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Juronimo on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:37 am

That's good to see. I hope he can get back on the court and return to dominance, except when he plays us of course.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby MadMax on Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:46 am

Just keep him off the bowling lanes and you'll be fine for now, Cleveland.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Scnottaken on Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:13 am

MadMax wrote:Just keep him off the bowling lanes and you'll be fine for now, Cleveland.

Bowling lanes, handicapped spots, hidden barber shops. . . they have their work cut out for them.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:43 am

strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:23 pm

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strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.


In 2009, yes.

In 2010, Bynum averaged 25mpg in the Finals, and 24mpg overall in the playoffs. LO & Pau performed "heavy lifting" during the Phoenix series where Bynum's immobility against the smallball Suns team needed to be addressed. Other than that, Bynum played the majority of the minutes at the center position for the other playoff series. Pau and Bynum's superior size advantage against Boston IMO was extremely important in winning the chip that year. Playoff series are won mostly by matchups and defense. Even though our defense was solid, our matchup advantage in the frontcourt was our ace in the hole. With Perkins on Bynum instead of KG. KG on Pau instead of LO, and Big Baby having to deal with LO, we had the upper hand that year.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:38 am

revgen wrote:
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strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.


In 2009, yes.

In 2010, Bynum averaged 25mpg in the Finals, and 24mpg overall in the playoffs. LO & Pau performed "heavy lifting" during the Phoenix series where Bynum's immobility against the smallball Suns team needed to be addressed. Other than that, Bynum played the majority of the minutes at the center position for the other playoff series. Pau and Bynum's superior size advantage against Boston IMO was extremely important in winning the chip that year. Playoff series are won mostly by matchups and defense. Even though our defense was solid, our matchup advantage in the frontcourt was our ace in the hole. With Perkins on Bynum instead of KG. KG on Pau instead of LO, and Big Baby having to deal with LO, we had the upper hand that year.


Most of the time, it was LO and Pau who actually finished games in the 4th quarter both years.

To Bynum's credit, he was playing on one leg in 2010.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:45 am

Bynum is happier now than he has been in a long time, a second source said recently. A league executive from an opposing team, who has studied Bynum and is familiar with his history, told the Beacon Journal over the summer that Bynum seemed to grow tired of Kobe Bryant "constantly in his ear. I think he just got sick of (Bryant)."


How idiotic is that?

Typical of Bynum's generation, i.e., no interest in learning from the greats who have gone before them.

Seems to be true not just in sports but in almost any given field nowadays.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:18 am

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
revgen wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.


In 2009, yes.

In 2010, Bynum averaged 25mpg in the Finals, and 24mpg overall in the playoffs. LO & Pau performed "heavy lifting" during the Phoenix series where Bynum's immobility against the smallball Suns team needed to be addressed. Other than that, Bynum played the majority of the minutes at the center position for the other playoff series. Pau and Bynum's superior size advantage against Boston IMO was extremely important in winning the chip that year. Playoff series are won mostly by matchups and defense. Even though our defense was solid, our matchup advantage in the frontcourt was our ace in the hole. With Perkins on Bynum instead of KG. KG on Pau instead of LO, and Big Baby having to deal with LO, we had the upper hand that year.


Most of the time, it was LO and Pau who actually finished games in the 4th quarter both years.

To Bynum's credit, he was playing on one leg in 2010.


Finishing 4th quarters doesn't matter if you stink it up in quarters 1, 2, and 3. It was Bynum who played the majority of the minutes at the center position despite his leg. Not LO or Pau. I don't characterize that as "heavy lifting".
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:22 am

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
Bynum is happier now than he has been in a long time, a second source said recently. A league executive from an opposing team, who has studied Bynum and is familiar with his history, told the Beacon Journal over the summer that Bynum seemed to grow tired of Kobe Bryant "constantly in his ear. I think he just got sick of (Bryant)."


How idiotic is that?

Typical of Bynum's generation, i.e., no interest in learning from the greats who have gone before them.

Seems to be true not just in sports but in almost any given field nowadays.


About as idiotic as believing a league executive from an opposing team.

Bynum and his agent asked to meet with the Lakers during the summer of 2012 on a possible extension on Bynum's contract. Does that sound like a player who was "getting tired of Kobe"? The Lakers traded Bynum. Bynum didn't leave them.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Weezy on Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:15 pm

I continue to wish Drew well, but I'm sorry this just made me laugh.

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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:32 pm

Weezy wrote:I continue to wish Drew well, but I'm sorry this just made me laugh.

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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:56 pm

as funny as it is I really want him to come back asap just to see how well the Cavs might due if he is sorta healthy.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:01 pm

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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:57 pm

Bynum looked good in his first run on the court. Rusty on offense, but the defense was solid.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:58 pm

7mins stretch in the first half.

3pts
3rebs
2assists
2blocks

He looks like the same Bynum, just really rusty, and needs to get into game shape. That'll come as the season roles on.

The Cavs were down by 8 or 10 when Bynum came in and they crawled their way back with Bynum and Jack leading the charge.

His highlight of the night so far was a nasty block on Deron Williams.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:22 pm

Bynum's game was pretty decent for not playing for over 550 days.

His knee issues didn't seem to limit his mobility or quickness one bit. If he can stay on the floor he'll be a 18 and 11 guy there as well.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby thkthebest on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:48 pm

I thought Bynum looked great. I mean, 7 minutes is a tiny sample size, but for a guy who hasn't played in forever, he looked surprisingly good.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:38 am

Cavs 98, Nets 94; final thoughts on Andrew Bynum
By Jason Lloyd Published: October 31, 2013

CLEVELAND: Final thoughts from Andrew Bynum’s return to the NBA and the Cavs’ 98-94 win over the Brooklyn Nets.

* Seven hours prior to tip-off, General Manager Chris Grant discreetly pulled Bynum into a private corner of Cleveland Clinic Courts, where Bynum presumably made one final plea to play.

* He uprooted his life and moved to Cleveland within days of signing with the Cavaliers. The team doctors told him he could again be the NBA player he once was, but he needed to add muscle to his legs. With $18 million at stake this season and next, he showed up every day for three months and worked six hours a day, worked harder than anyone the Cavs’ training staff had ever seen.

* He sailed through shootaround Wednesday morning with no trouble, at one point reaching up and grabbing the rim from a standing position.

“I’ve never seen anyone do that,” Tristan Thompson told me. “He’s a monster.”

* The meeting between Grant and Bynum lasted less than 10 minutes, then Bynum jogged through the back of the facility and out of sight. Grant moved on to meetings with other staff members regarding Bynum, including the medical team, before finally exhaling and setting him free.

* Bynum played less than eight minutes, but it was his first NBA game in 527 days and left coach Mike Brown wanting more. Bynum was lobbying to keep playing, and Brown conceded he briefly considered before common sense prevailed. There are 81 more games to go. It’s not worth risking a blowout now.

“We’re a different team when he’s out there,” Brown said. “He still has room to grow. You only saw a taste of what he can bring. It was exciting to see him out there. Not only for the coaches, but the players and fans.”

* Bynum only had three points and three rebounds in eight minutes, but don’t let the numbers fool you. The Nets had to change their offensive approach when he was in the game. He closed off the entire lane to dribble penetration and turned the Nets into jump shooters after swatting Deron Williams’ shot off the court. He was also credited for a block on Reggie Evans, although on replay it appeared he didn’t even touch the ball. Still, he clearly altered the shot and forced Evans to bobble it away. Offensively he looked rusty, making just 1 of 5 shots.

* “My timing is off right now, but that’s to be expected,” Bynum said. “I missed a long time out there. I feel like it’s going to come back. The more practice I have, the more 5 on 5 I have the better I’ll be.”

* There was a moment in the second quarter when Bynum looked like his old self. He caught a pass about 12 feet from the rim and swung the ball around his head looking to pass out of the post.

With Brown hollering at him to take it to the rim, Bynum dribbled, lowered his shoulder and bull-rushed his way through All-Star center Brook Lopez and right at the basket. He missed the shot with his left hand, but the sequence illustrated how far he has come.

* “I guess I had tired legs or baby legs as I like to call them,” he said. “I just had to go. I’m kind of sad it didn’t go in. It was a pretty decent move and I’ll work on things from there so I’ll be better next time.”

* The Cavs play at Philadelphia next Friday. Bring a helmet. It’s going to get rowdy.


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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Psychobroker on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:34 am

Given his established track record with fighting back from serious injury, I wasn't surprised one bit. It's great to see, and I hope he gets back to dominating. :jam2:
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:45 am

Despite his comments, I still like Bynum over Dwight.

I hope Kyrie and Bynum can make some noise in the east.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:04 pm

revgen wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
revgen wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:>>I look at it the other way. He already has won two titles and he was the starting center and contributor for both.<<


Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.


In 2009, yes.

In 2010, Bynum averaged 25mpg in the Finals, and 24mpg overall in the playoffs. LO & Pau performed "heavy lifting" during the Phoenix series where Bynum's immobility against the smallball Suns team needed to be addressed. Other than that, Bynum played the majority of the minutes at the center position for the other playoff series. Pau and Bynum's superior size advantage against Boston IMO was extremely important in winning the chip that year. Playoff series are won mostly by matchups and defense. Even though our defense was solid, our matchup advantage in the frontcourt was our ace in the hole. With Perkins on Bynum instead of KG. KG on Pau instead of LO, and Big Baby having to deal with LO, we had the upper hand that year.


Most of the time, it was LO and Pau who actually finished games in the 4th quarter both years.

To Bynum's credit, he was playing on one leg in 2010.


Finishing 4th quarters doesn't matter if you stink it up in quarters 1, 2, and 3. It was Bynum who played the majority of the minutes at the center position despite his leg. Not LO or Pau. I don't characterize that as "heavy lifting".


It does matter who is on the floor to finish games. Phil Jackson trusted LO and Pau over Bynum when games were on the line, late in games when it was time to close out an opponent, etc. No one is denying that Bynum put some work in during the 2010 finals, but it was invariably LO and Pau who were on the floor in crunch time.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby revgen on Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:28 am

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
revgen wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
revgen wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
Um, technically, yes, but we all know Gasol and LO did most of the heavy lifting.


In 2009, yes.

In 2010, Bynum averaged 25mpg in the Finals, and 24mpg overall in the playoffs. LO & Pau performed "heavy lifting" during the Phoenix series where Bynum's immobility against the smallball Suns team needed to be addressed. Other than that, Bynum played the majority of the minutes at the center position for the other playoff series. Pau and Bynum's superior size advantage against Boston IMO was extremely important in winning the chip that year. Playoff series are won mostly by matchups and defense. Even though our defense was solid, our matchup advantage in the frontcourt was our ace in the hole. With Perkins on Bynum instead of KG. KG on Pau instead of LO, and Big Baby having to deal with LO, we had the upper hand that year.


Most of the time, it was LO and Pau who actually finished games in the 4th quarter both years.

To Bynum's credit, he was playing on one leg in 2010.


Finishing 4th quarters doesn't matter if you stink it up in quarters 1, 2, and 3. It was Bynum who played the majority of the minutes at the center position despite his leg. Not LO or Pau. I don't characterize that as "heavy lifting".


It does matter who is on the floor to finish games. Phil Jackson trusted LO and Pau over Bynum when games were on the line, late in games when it was time to close out an opponent, etc. No one is denying that Bynum put some work in during the 2010 finals, but it was invariably LO and Pau who were on the floor in crunch time.


First of all, the whole "crunchtime" argument is overrated. There are 4 quarters of basketball. A game can be won or lost simply by losing one of those 4 quarters and never recovering. I've seen way too many games won and lost simply because one of the teams "goes off" during one of those quarters and the other team can't make up the difference.

2nd of all, Phil didn't put LO and Pau on the floor in crunch time because he trusted them more than Bynum. He put them on the floor because they open up driving lanes for Kobe.

Pau and Bynum were good together since their length dominated smaller teams on the glass and provided elite rim protection. However, they also crowded the lanes, which isn't a good thing when Kobe takes over in the 4th quarter. If Jackson trusted Pau and LO as much as you say, Kobe wouldn't be the one with the ball in crunchtime. Pau and LO are both playmakers, yet all of the plays are run through Kobe. They simply fit in better as drive and dish players Kobe can play off of. Even JVG said so during the ABC telecasts. He was appalled that Jackson would take out Bynum, their best shot-blocker, during crunchtime. Mike Breen told JVG that Phil said that he believed Pau and Odom were better defensively, which JVG scoffed at and pointed out that the LO and Pau simply make it easier for Kobe to drive by opening up the lanes.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:28 am

Yes Phil trusted LO over Bynum..... but in their respective LA careers Bynum scored 3 game winning shots and blocked shots to seal victories 2 other times..... LO failed spectacularly at least 3 times trying to be the guy at the end of the game under Phil.... one was an air ball layup and one was a clear offensive foul everyone in the building could see coming 10 seconds in advance.

In the end.... Bynum is a very good yet moody and entitled player. If he can stay on the court he will be a very effective player. He was gone no matter what we did and I think ownership knew it and gambled with the Howard trade (by not getting a LT contract) to a certain extent because of it. That's the story behind the story.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: signs with Cavs (p. 298)

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:58 pm

revgen wrote:2nd of all, Phil didn't put LO and Pau on the floor in crunch time because he trusted them more than Bynum. He put them on the floor because they open up driving lanes for Kobe.


You're essentially making my point for me here. When the offense is structured around Kobe, then the job of opening up the aforementioned lanes is, by definition, "the heavy lifting" - particularly late in close games.

revgen wrote:If Jackson trusted Pau and LO as much as you say, Kobe wouldn't be the one with the ball in crunchtime.


This argument is invalid insofar as we're comparing Bynum to LO and Pau - not comparing LO and Pau to Kobe.

revgen wrote:Pau and LO are both playmakers, yet all of the plays are run through Kobe. They simply fit in better as drive and dish players Kobe can play off of. Even JVG said so during the ABC telecasts. He was appalled that Jackson would take out Bynum, their best shot-blocker, during crunchtime. Mike Breen told JVG that Phil said that he believed Pau and Odom were better defensively, which JVG scoffed at and pointed out that the LO and Pau simply make it easier for Kobe to drive by opening up the lanes.


Once again, you're making my point for me, i.e., demonstrating how Pau and LO were more essential or indispensable to the Lakers' success in crunch time (given that Kobe was option #1.)
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