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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:49 am

Kareem weighs in...

I believe Andrew has always had the potential to help a team when he puts his heart into it. He just doesn't seem to be consistent with his commitment to the game. That can lead to alot of frustration for any team that has signed him.

When I worked with Andrew I found him to be bright & hardworking but I think he got bored with the repetitive nature of working on basketball fundamentals day in and day out... but they are the keys to long term success.

In my opinion Andrew is the type of person who walks to the beat of "a different drummer". So we won't know the facts until Andrew decides to tell us what actually is the issue and shares his thoughts. @KAJ33
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Postby revgen on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:01 am

Kareem seems to be indicating that he trusts Bynum's words over those of the Cavs organization.
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Postby trodgers on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:54 am

I think Kareem understands big man psychology. He can understand what Bynum is doing, even if he couldn't make sense of WTF Howard did.
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Postby revgen on Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:46 am

NBA sources say Bynum is not up for playing for a 10-19 team on a contract that’s not fully guaranteed and wants out, hopefully catching on with a contender.

The Cavaliers were supposed to be a contender, but Saturday they displayed why they aren’t.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/12/29/andrew-bynum-suspension-latest-problem-facing-cavaliers/a6wweM9oP8slc4esWjzKqK/story.html
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Postby revgen on Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:49 am

@WindhorstESPN 3m

Clarification re Andrew Bynum. He was suspended for game yesterday in Boston. Suspension now over but he's excused from all team activities


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Basically Bynum gets docked one game check ($111K) & is now away from Cavs until he's traded or released, which could be as late as July
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:36 pm

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NBA source says obviously disinterested Bynum jacked up wild shots at practice on Friday, angering coaches and teammates, didn't cuss Brown
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Re: Bynum Discussion: Suspended...Cavs looking to trade (307)

Postby revgen on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:39 pm

There has to be more than that to warrant a suspension.
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Postby MadMax on Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:20 pm

revgen wrote:There has to be more than that to warrant a suspension.

It might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:40 pm

MadMax wrote:
revgen wrote:There has to be more than that to warrant a suspension.

It might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.


....or the Cavs want to get out from under his contract and were looking for anything to use as an excuse. The thought was when he signed that contract was they had a safety valve in case of injury or not being in contention.

It's most likely a mix of things..... They weren't really trying to use him properly and they were planning to reduce his minutes even more. His presence inside helped them at times and when he was set up he played pretty well all things considered. I think both sides want out.
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Postby revgen on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:22 am

^Accoding to Kurt Helin's article

Bynum was suspended just after he with Coach Mike Brown amid Bynum’s minutes and touches dropping. Whatever was said after that meeting Bynum got suspended after it.


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/29/kareem-abdul-jabbar-basically-questions-andrew-bynums-love-of-basketball/

Bynum probably told Mike Brown that he was done with the organization if he wasn't going to be getting minutes or be featured offensively. And for good reason. If he's going to be a backup center, he'd rather do it on a contending team.
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Postby bltkmt on Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:48 am

He has patterned his career after Benoit Benjamin. Nice work.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:33 am

Brown's an idiot. Not that I condemn Bynum's actions, indifference, or outright apathy, Brown has never been an expert in managing ego's or putting together a decent offensive system to feature anybody. Why Dan Gilbert hired him back, I'll never know.

As for Bynum, he's running out of chances and quickly. If he wants to retire, just do it. I know he's probably in it because 'there's a bank in every city,' but really, if you don't love something or have a passion for it anymore, it's hard to keep motivated. Best of luck to Bynum, though; always thought he was a great talent.
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Postby Basketball Fan on Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:43 am

This is why Bynum was suspended(allegedly) is it just me or does this always happen under Mike Brown's watch?

http://www.terezowens.com/andrew-bynum- ... achs-wife/

The Cleveland Cavaliers announced Sunday that they have lifted the suspension of center Andrew Bynum, but he still remains away from the team, excused from all basketball activities for the foreseeable future. Was it a case of Bynum being Bynum, or is there something else going on behind the curtains? According to our tipster, apparently Bynum got together with assistant coach Jamahl Mosley’s wife. When they found out, that was the final straw. The Cavs should have stayed far away from Bynum, especially after his disastrous stint in Philly.-TO
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:08 am

^^AH-HA…. the rest of the story. That's conduct detrimental to Jamahl's marriage…. not necessarily the team.
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Postby revgen on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:37 am

According to a reporter on a Cavs forum, Jamaal is in a relationship, but he's not married. Also, the woman he's in a relationship with is pregnant. Which makes me doubt that the story is true at all.

Also, what's very interesting is that this story comes out when rumors are swirling that Bynum may go to play with Miami and help Delonte's Son win a 3rd chip.
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Postby trodgers on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:19 pm

I've also heard that the story is untrue.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: Suspended...Cavs looking to trade (307)

Postby revgen on Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:18 pm

Found this on a Cavs forum. I highlighted the most interesting parts in bold.

Windy was on WKNR this morning, here is a recap:

-Last summer, the Cavs tried to do a few different things with their cap space (signing Kyle Korver, trade for Pau Gasol) but they decided to go after Bynum after all this. This allowed them to roll salary cap space over if the Bynum signing didn't work out. It hasn't worked out and they are trying to now roll that cap space over. No other contract exists in the NBA like Bynum's, they can trade for him tomorrow and cut him Jan. 7th and not owe any money. It can be a $20M move for the Lakers/Bulls, they can cut $6M and more than $8M (get out of luxury tax and save on the salary).

-If you aren't paying the luxury tax, then you get money from the teams paying the tax ($2-3M). If you are a team headed nowhere this year and are pressured into getting out of the luxury tax (due to the repeater tax) this is something have to do. The Lakers are very interested in doing this.

-He has heard a lot from what happend with Bynum, he doesn't know to say because it all may not be true. It was a culmination of 4-5 things that happened and on Friday, the Cavs had enough and said this wasn't going to work. He showed that he could play healthy but the Cavs actually didn't do well with Bynum on the floor. They think its better to have Gasol as a pick and roll partner with Kyrie than Bynum. The January 7th deadline is huge and the Lakers/Cavs have to make their decision this weekend. The Cavs decided two weeks ago this wasn't going to work out and were going to try to trade him.

-This could end up being a pretty good trade for the Cavs if the Lakers give the thumbs up. The Lakers have to swallow some medicine because they are giving away Gasol for a guy you will probably cut. You are essentially punting on the season. The latest you can push this contract without being guarenteed is January 7th, which is forcing the Lakers to make a choice. This deal is on 3rd base, its at the ownership level now. It could take a draft pick to sweeten this deal, Cleveland has to decide if its worth to give away a draft pick for a rental. This deal is close.

-He thinks its 60/40 this deal happens. The Lakers are playing the Bucks tonight, if they lose this game, the deal probably happens and they punt on the season. The Lakers just lost at home to the Jazz and 76'ers. If he was Chris Grant, he would hold firm and not give a pick because the Lakers would be saving a ton of money. The Lakers may need a "spoon full of sugar" to make the deal happen though.

-He thinks this is a terrific move for the Cavs because Gasol has been pouty and isn't getting along with D'Antoni. The Lakers weren't thrilled that he has missed the last two games due to being sick. Gasol will be highly motivated here to play for another contract. Even if he gives you 15 and 9, its a good deal. When you watch the Cavs and see Kyrie get double teamed, there is no incentive to guard the Cavs big men, but that would change and open up the offense with Gasol.

-Gasol would play center here but he and Mike Brown did not have a great relationship (he favored Bynum in LA and reduced Gasol's minutes). The speculation is that Pau wants to go back to Memphis in free agency to play with his brother Marc. The Cavs are not punting and they are upset with these close losses. If they had a little bump, they feel they would win more games. The Cavs really want Deng but the Bulls aren't interested. The Cavs need a SF badly.

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1) If Windhorst questions the credibility of the information coming from the Cavs organization, it raises a red flag.

2) So they were already shopping Bynum as early as 2 weeks ago. Is it possible that Bynum and his agent found out about it? If so, did Bynum confront the organization and the coaching staff about what they were doing behind his back?
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:46 pm

I wouldn't doubt that from the Cavs FO. Starting with Dan Gilbert, they don't seem like the brightest bulbs.

If they think that Mitch is going to get fleeced in a deal and swallow some medicine, they have another thing coming.
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:59 pm

The contract Bynum signed was going to lead to this..... it was designed to lead to this. The only way he was going to make it to the guarantee was for Cle to be having success.....
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Postby revgen on Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:01 pm

^Exactly. But Cleveland, being what they are, are trying to do damage control.
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Postby therealdeal on Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:05 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I wouldn't doubt that from the Cavs FO. Starting with Dan Gilbert, they don't seem like the brightest bulbs.

If they think that Mitch is going to get fleeced in a deal and swallow some medicine, they have another thing coming.

It might take a pick to sweeten the deal. :man10:

If Mitch pulls off Gasol for Bynum/1st Pick I'd be ecstatic. That's two potential lottery picks this summer.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:06 am

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:I wouldn't doubt that from the Cavs FO. Starting with Dan Gilbert, they don't seem like the brightest bulbs.

If they think that Mitch is going to get fleeced in a deal and swallow some medicine, they have another thing coming.

It might take a pick to sweeten the deal. :man10:

If Mitch pulls off Gasol for Bynum/1st Pick I'd be ecstatic. That's two potential lottery picks this summer.

you know they wouldn't give us their 1st round pick, they would give us Miami's 1st round pick which is what they have and it might even be a 2015 1st if I am not mistaken.
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:33 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:I wouldn't doubt that from the Cavs FO. Starting with Dan Gilbert, they don't seem like the brightest bulbs.

If they think that Mitch is going to get fleeced in a deal and swallow some medicine, they have another thing coming.

It might take a pick to sweeten the deal. :man10:

If Mitch pulls off Gasol for Bynum/1st Pick I'd be ecstatic. That's two potential lottery picks this summer.

you know they wouldn't give us their 1st round pick, they would give us Miami's 1st round pick which is what they have and it might even be a 2015 1st if I am not mistaken.

I don't care. A first round pick in a draft like this is going to be a valuable player. Even if it's in a trade.

And if it's going to be that late pick, we'll pick up one of their young guys as well.
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Re: Bynum Discussion: Suspended...Cavs looking to trade (307)

Postby revgen on Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:48 pm

Now that Bynum has been waived, I'd be interested to hear from him and his agent about what really happened in Cleveland.
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Postby revgen on Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:49 pm

Miami currently has a full roster of 15 players. And all of them are guaranteed for the rest of the season now that the deadline has passed. It doesn't look like Bynum will be joining them unless something strange happens.
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