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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:45 pm

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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby gradymac on Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:05 pm

lakersyunowin wrote:
noobiew wrote:Surprise that no one posted this yet :-

Chris Kaman in a nutshell :man10:

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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:17 pm

^ :man10: ^
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby West's Formula 44 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:43 pm

Hopefully Kaman's performance today merits some more playing time. :bow:
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:47 pm

Somebody is going to want a big that can give you near 30/10 every night. :man1:
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby revgen on Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:51 pm

Kaman's playing better because he's playing where he should be. In the post!
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby karacha on Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:48 pm

He's playing great basketball. Too bad he is not getting minutes with Pau playing the 5. But then, we were maybe trying to showcase Pau, and Kaman is going to play more if we complete the trade before the deadline.

If he can get some guarantees for consistent minutes next season, I'd re-sign him. He does not play much defense these days, but his offensive game is very, very polished.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:14 am

I really hope we get the cap relief & pick(s) we want for Pau & Kaman gets a chance to play steady minutes for the rest of the season.. If that's enough to salvage the relationship we could have ourselves a serviceable Pau replacement at probably 1/3 or maybe even 1/4 the price it would take to keep Pau.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Alleyhoops on Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:42 am

karacha wrote:He's playing great basketball. Too bad he is not getting minutes with Pau playing the 5. But then, we were maybe trying to showcase Pau, and Kaman is going to play more if we complete the trade before the deadline.

If he can get some guarantees for consistent minutes next season, I'd re-sign him. He does not play much defense these days, but his offensive game is very, very polished.

Like most everyone in here, I was elated that Kaman signed here for the money he got. No doubt, D'Antoni has under utilized one of the NBA's better big men. When healthy, he's a handful to defend. And I like his defense around the hole better than Pau's (which isn't saying a whole lot.) I would be very happy if he was our starting 5 next year, but with Nash's and Kobe's health up in the air, I doubt he sticks around. He should be able to demand 5-7 mil from somebody, if not more.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:16 am

Well, he definitely got his trade value up; it will either be him or Kaman dealt by the trade deadline; since his contract his signficantly less than Pau's, an expiring, and easier to move, I'd venture to say, he'll be gone to by the trade deadline, IMO.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:48 am

Cave Man!!! :jam2: Also had a number of mistakes and turnovers but I wholly attribute most of them to "rust" from DUFUS burying him on the bench.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:40 pm

The process took about seven months to happen. But Chris Kaman finally had a week with the Lakers that didn’t solely entail sitting on the bench.

In the Lakers’ 92-86 loss Sunday to the Chicago Bulls at Staples Center, Kaman dropped 27 points and 10 rebounds, making a flurry of mid-range shots and operating in the post. The same thing happened in the Lakers’ 2-1 trip last week where he cracked double digits in two of those performances. Yet, even with Lakers coach Mike D’ANtoni calling Kaman “a very good offensive player” and praising his effort on defense, it hardly sounded promising whether this will actually enhance his long-term role.

Assuming Pau Gasol returns from a strained right groin after the All-Star break and isn’t traded before the Feb. 20 deadline, Kaman’s playing time will decrease once again.

“It’s the structure of the team,” D’Antoni said. “When Pau comes back, it’s tough. Get ready to write a nice article and kill me. Whatever you want to do.”


D’Antoni’s been killed with that question all season. Same with Kaman. The Lakers acquired him this offseason worth $3.2 million as a decent consolation prize after losing the Dwight Howard sweepstakes. Even with the Lakers suffering defensively without Howard, they raved that Kaman’s versatile skillset could make a better fit with Pau Gasol than Howard’s limited post presence ever provided.

Yet, such a pairing reached nothing more than a lineup experiment for a few preseason games.

“Everybody tries to be positive. I want to be professional about it. It wasn’t what I anticipated coming here,” Kaman said. “Obviously I thought I had an opportunity to play more minutes with Pau. But history shows with Coach D’Antoni’s style, it’s a small guy’s game, I suffer as a result of that. It is what it is. I can’t argue what he’s saying. I have to trust the position of head coach. It’s obviously frustrating at times, especially when you’re losing a lot like that and we had a stretch where it’s tough to sit there and watch knowing I could help or provide an effort to get a change of momentum.”

Kaman provided plenty of that against Chicago. In fact, Kaman has provided a pretty dependable effort anytime he’s actually received significant playing time. Kaman has posted in double-digit efforts in 11 of the 27 games he’s received playing time. Even on days he’s not expected to play much, Kaman still remains pretty active in private workouts with Lakers development coaches Mark Madsen and Larry Lewis.

“The whole season has been a frustrating year for me personally,” Kaman said. “Guys are frustrated as well. It’s been so up and down and inconsistent. Part of that is having injuries. Part of that is a lot of guys are on one year deals not knowing what they want to do and not knowing where they’re supposed to be. The more time we have together as a unit out there, the better it is. But with guys getting hurt and guys being in and out, it’s not easy.”

It hasn’t been easy for Kaman, whose dwindling playing time has mostly reflected D’Antoni’s belief that Robert Sacre bodes better on defense and that Ryan Kelly helps the Lakers’ offense better with floor spacing.

“You guys can check my track record. I’ve been pretty successful in a lot of different areas,” Kaman said. “I think I can play. It’s just hard to show what you can do in five, six, seven and 10 minutes. Sometimes it’s not a good way to analyze a player.”

Kaman has averaged 9.4 points and 5.5 rebounds in 17.3 minutes, a dropoff from the career 11.7 points and 7.9 rebounds he posted in 28.2 minutes in his 11-year career. Kaman also had high numbers last season in Dallas (10.5 points, 5.6 rebounds) and New Orleans in 2011-12 (13.1 points, 7.7 rebounds) despite a more diminished role than his eight-year career with the Clippers. There, Kaman averaged 11.9 points on 48.7 percent shooting and 8.3 rebounds, including a career 18.5 points and 9.6 rebounds that led to his lone All-Star appearance in 2010.

“Chris was not in the rotation not because of what he did. He’s been playing well,” D’Antoni said. “Chris Kaman’s a very good basketball player, so we’ll try to work it out and try to figure it out somehow.”


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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:01 pm

Wow Dan. Thanks! Real effing "progressive" of you trying to figure out how to use a talented Big Man that the FO spent their mini MLE on. Is he perfect? No. Could be better on D. And could be 6'9" how you like your "BIGS". But your wet dream offense is a joke anyway. Will never ever catch that lightning in a bottle again with the perfect roster for it you had back then. Enjoy your last head coaching job for however long it lasts. Hopefully, and praying not past the regular season this year.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:06 pm

Wait..... Kaman doesn't suck?.... who knew?
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:37 pm

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Kaman supporters get their wish. He's starting tonight vs. Utah.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:50 pm

I'd hope mgmt and Kaman can work something out if there is any indication that Antoni is gone this off-season and we actually hire a coach who likes to play a more balanced offense. Kaman is a good backup C, bench players aren't really all that defensive minded to begin with at least not me. So to have 3 offensive threats in Farmar, Young, Kaman off the bench is something a "contending" team could really use. Also kaman isn't terrible either at challenging shots, he at least attempts to jump unlike Pau with his 1inch vertical.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:05 pm

lukewaltonsdad wrote:
Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 2h
Kaman supporters get their wish. He's starting tonight vs. Utah.


I don't get this "supporters" thing, we shouldn't be divided into groups as fans. As fans, I think all we want is our most talented players to get time, that doesn't make us Kaman supporters, it makes us rational. Kaman > Sacre, on Sacre's best day, and I really like Sacre, Kaman based on talent deserves to start.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby gcclaker on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:24 pm

Weezy wrote:
lukewaltonsdad wrote:
Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 2h
Kaman supporters get their wish. He's starting tonight vs. Utah.


I don't get this "supporters" thing, we shouldn't be divided into groups as fans. As fans, I think all we want is our most talented players to get time, that doesn't make us Kaman supporters, it makes us rational. Kaman > Sacre, on Sacre's best day, and I really like Sacre, Kaman based on talent deserves to start.

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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:15 pm

gcclaker wrote:
Weezy wrote:
lukewaltonsdad wrote:
Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 2h
Kaman supporters get their wish. He's starting tonight vs. Utah.


I don't get this "supporters" thing, we shouldn't be divided into groups as fans. As fans, I think all we want is our most talented players to get time, that doesn't make us Kaman supporters, it makes us rational. Kaman > Sacre, on Sacre's best day, and I really like Sacre, Kaman based on talent deserves to start.

Breshnahan's a tool who thinks he's witty.


Yep! For the record, I have NEVER liked Bresnehan as a Lakers beat writer. When he started out he was a pretty thinly disguised Kobe hater, and he's always been kind of snarky/sarcastic in a passive aggressive way. And his writing is boring on top of all that. Almost needless to say at this juncture but he's kind of emblematic of the way the LA Times sportswriting has gone in general: i.e. really far downhill. He's one of the reasons I cancelled my Times subscription. Simers and Plaschke are two of the other reasons, although I could deal with Plaschke when he was mainly just the human interest writer and they still had Heisler and Adande who actually knew basketball. The Times is just sad now. Well, I guess so are the Lakers. :bang:
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:15 pm

up that Value Kamannnn!!!...........I'd be more mad if we can't get anything for Chris as oppose to Pau. More friendly contract, somewhat productive, and expires. What more can you ask for? :man10:
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:50 pm

24 and 15 tonight with 3 blocks :jam2:

Please trade Pau for a 1st just so Kaman can get some more deserved run







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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:06 am

Rock solid game from Kaman tonight. He was still busting his butt at the end, too. Best Laker playing right now by a country mile.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Weezy on Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:55 am

I'm enjoying Kaman's brutal honesty right now as well.

@KevinDing: Kaman on Lakers: "(Utah) team that's trying to go for picks, they beat us by 20. It's frustrating."


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These aren't the Lakers Kaman expected

By Dave McMenamin | February 12, 2014 4:13:59 AM PST
LOS ANGELES -- For the first seven seasons of Chris Kaman's career he played for the "other" team in Los Angeles and watched how the Lakers set a standard of excellence that his Clippers and the rest of the league aspired to.

Now that he has played more than half a season for the purple and gold, he's wondering where those winning ways have gone.

Chris Kaman's 25 points and 14 rebounds went to waste as the Lakers suffered their sixth straight loss at home, this one to the Jazz.
"I've never been a part of a team [like this], especially such a great franchise like the Lakers and the longevity that they've had with winning and championships. I think it's a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people," said Kaman, who saw his 25 points, 14 rebounds and three blocks go for naught in L.A.'s 96-79 loss to the Utah Jazz on Tuesday night at Staples Center.

"Especially the owners and especially the fans who are coming out watching us and supporting us. You know it's going to get better, it's just no one planned on these injuries. No one can anticipate that kind of stuff. It just happens."

What has happened is hard to believe. From a seemingly daily injury occurrence to a cold streak that's getting more frigid by the day, this season's Lakers look nothing like the team that Kaman once viewed from the outside.

The loss was the Lakers' 21st defeat in their past 26 games, dropping them into sole possession of 14th place in the Western Conference, a half game behind the Jazz, a team that is "trying to go for picks," according to Kaman.

While the net result might look like a team going through the motions, the Lakers vow that plummeting isn't part of their plan.

"Everybody knows we want to win," Kaman said. "It's not like we're out here chasing picks. That's not what we're doing at all. I promise."

Whether they have intended to tank or not, all of the losing is testing the loyalty of the fan base. The Lakers had an announced attendance of 18,209 on Tuesday. A capacity crowd at Staples Center is 18,997. It was the Lakers' second non-sellout of the season. Tuesday's loss was the team's sixth straight at home, tying a franchise record. The Lakers last won at Staples on Jan. 3 when they beat the same miserable Jazz team that got the best of them Tuesday.

"You want to get a win for your home fans," said Robert Sacre -- usually the most positive of the Lakers' bunch -- who even let the losing get to him as he was called for a technical foul in the fourth quarter for spiking the ball in anger after making a costly turnover. "Especially the fans that have really been there for us and they're fighting for us and you want to come home and get a win for them, because you know they support us so much. That's the most frustrating part."

It has been frustrating for Lakers fans of course, too. With this season already a lost cause, they're being stripped of the all the fun of fandom: overanalyzing the rotation; assessing how a big win or a tough loss in February could affect the team down the line in the playoffs; anticipating the trade deadline like a kid on Christmas morning, hoping for that one gift of a player.

As Kaman put it: "We lost by 20, so who cares what happened with anybody?"

Apathy. It's the worst feeling a fan can have.

Unfortunately, with 30 games left to play this season, it seems as if about the only thing worth caring about for these Lakers is how many more defeats they can rack up to improve their position on draft night.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:19 am

^^ Watching the Lakers live tonight at Staples it was pretty obvious who was trying out there and who wasn't. Kaman was trying, and trying harder than just about anyone else. Wesley Johnson was phoning it in. Or else he just isn't very good. One of the two. But his body language in person was pretty dreadful. I don't want him back next year. With all of the injuries we've got and all of his athletic talent you'd think he'd be pulling harder trying to have a break out year. But something's up with him and he does not give his all, or even his 50% from what I can tell. I'm not a fan, unfortunately.

Tell you what, Haywood was very impressive tonight for Utah. He's a pretty darned good player.
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Re: Chris Kaman Discussion: It's Captain Caaavemaaaaan

Postby karacha on Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:22 am

@KevinDing: Kaman on Lakers: "(Utah) team that's trying to go for picks, they beat us by 20. It's frustrating."


...or not... :man1:



Maybe Mitch should talk to Kaman and explain the situation to him. I don't think he's gotten the memo.
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