AI Or CP3

Who Do You Pick?

AI
25
78%
CP3
7
21%
 
Total votes : 32

Re: AI Or CP3

Postby kenzo on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:27 am

Reading all this makes me feel old... and short... and fat :man6:
Back on topic, AI > CP3 (the latter is not a scrub though).
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:44 am

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If this was CP3 he would of fallen to the ground in pain like a soccer player until the ref gave him two shots and the ball. No lie. If it was AI he would of turned around and blew by the defender and probably scored while getting hit
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby Steady C on Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:20 pm

I never really understand these Chris Paul comparisons anymore, due solely to the fact that Paul's not the same player he was before 2010. Don't get me wrong, it's not as though Paul wasn't a choker even then (blowing a 2-0 & 3-2 series lead in '08, the near 60 point embarrasment the next year, or as explosive off the dribble as Thomas or Kevin Johnson.Still, with a peak CP3, I'm taking Allen by miles, however it's important to note that we're essentially talking about two different players. I feel safe in saying that Paul would've at least passed the 2nd round by now if he has two full meniscuses, particularly if we were to place the '09 version on this past season's Clipset crew
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:36 pm

Steady C wrote:I never really understand these Chris Paul comparisons anymore, due solely to the fact that Paul's not the same player he was before 2010. Don't get me wrong, it's not as though Paul wasn't a choker even then (blowing a 2-0 & 3-2 series lead in '08, the near 60 point embarrasment the next year, or as explosive off the dribble as Thomas or Kevin Johnson.Still, with a peak CP3, I'm taking Allen by miles, however it's important to note that we're essentially talking about two different players. I feel safe in saying that Paul would've at least passed the 2nd round by now if he has two full meniscuses, particularly if we were to place the '09 version on this past season's Clipset crew

Good post.

I think Paul would have gotten further if he spent more time using his actual talents and less time flopping, frowning, pouting and giving up in games. The Dude is a great player but rather go with theatrics than skill to win.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby Steady C on Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:14 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Steady C wrote:I never really understand these Chris Paul comparisons anymore, due solely to the fact that Paul's not the same player he was before 2010. Don't get me wrong, it's not as though Paul wasn't a choker even then (blowing a 2-0 & 3-2 series lead in '08, the near 60 point embarrasment the next year, or as explosive off the dribble as Thomas or Kevin Johnson.Still, with a peak CP3, I'm taking Allen by miles, however it's important to note that we're essentially talking about two different players. I feel safe in saying that Paul would've at least passed the 2nd round by now if he has two full meniscuses, particularly if we were to place the '09 version on this past season's Clipset crew

Good post.

I think Paul would have gotten further if he spent more time using his actual talents and less time flopping, frowning, pouting and giving up in games. The Dude is a great player but rather go with theatrics than skill to win.


Paul's (more or less) a cheater, always has been, always will be. Over the years though, his manipulation of the refs has increased significantly due to the fact that he's lost his first step. The stat sheet may say otherwise, but watching him play in New Orleans he was a much more prolific scorer, and was more reliable in a half-court setting/ being the focal point of an offense. He didn't need to rely on the officials as much, as his game was pretty strong then, and only getting better. I'd personally put that version over Kevin Johnson, but again, this is basically a different player I'm referring to. What should've happened with him, is that after he slid into that camera, and had the meniscus removed, he should've been playing 55-60 games a year max, with 30-32 minute limit. Perhaps sitting out b2b frequently, to preserve his body. The fact that he's already talked about early retirement just says it all to me
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby LooN3y on Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:41 am

i feel like AI was underrated as a defender and a passer.

he didnt pass much but he didnt have his teammates who can complain? but 04-05 AI averaged almost 8 assists and hes definitely able to make difficult passes.

he was a good defender too, i wouldn't say great because he didnt put all his effort in it. But he always mentioned he wanted to be in the first all defensive team
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby Congo Cash on Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:21 am

AI was too small to shutdown anyone, but I have never seen him as a lazy defender...
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby Finwë on Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:54 pm

v1n5anity wrote::man10: @ this thread. Let's Go Clippers getting buried on page 3 lol.

I have league pass and play FanDuel (daily fantasy). I watch all teams. I watch games like Detroit vs. Milwaukee, games that almost no one watches, and I definitely watch the better teams in the league (such as Clippers, although they aren't THAT good). I have seen Chris Paul play for years and years, to suggest this guy doesn't flop 99% of the time and his game doesn't rely on flopping is ill-informed. If anything, Let's Go Clippers should be the one being asked if he actually watches games. Chris Paul is as bad as it gets when it comes to flopping, Harden's not even as bad (he's bad though). Chris Paul flops trying to fight through screens (any contact really), drives, defense, etc. The dude flops ANY AND EVERY CHANCE he gets. Unbelievable someone can back this guy when he's a mental midget with a loser mentality that he has to rely on such BS tactics to have an advantage against an opponent. AND HE STILL DOESN'T WIN. :freak2:

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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby karacha on Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:16 pm

Paul is a great player, but I think it has to be Iverson for this poll -- and it's not that close in my mind. Iverson was a tough, determined player and an unbelievable scorer for his size.
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:07 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Steady C wrote:I never really understand these Chris Paul comparisons anymore, due solely to the fact that Paul's not the same player he was before 2010. Don't get me wrong, it's not as though Paul wasn't a choker even then (blowing a 2-0 & 3-2 series lead in '08, the near 60 point embarrasment the next year, or as explosive off the dribble as Thomas or Kevin Johnson.Still, with a peak CP3, I'm taking Allen by miles, however it's important to note that we're essentially talking about two different players. I feel safe in saying that Paul would've at least passed the 2nd round by now if he has two full meniscuses, particularly if we were to place the '09 version on this past season's Clipset crew

Good post.

I think Paul would have gotten further if he spent more time using his actual talents and less time flopping, frowning, pouting and giving up in games. The Dude is a great player but rather go with theatrics than skill to win.


I'm not sure I fully agree.... Paul's knees don't change the fact that SA understood HOW he played and basically used against him. A 1/4 faster first step just gets him to throwing the ball off the backboard sooner while flailing his arms into Duncan's chest. It's about his game and approach.... not his athleticism. He's a ball dominant small PG. Until he isn't that his teams will not go far in the playoffs. When you get to that level of competition it's the game plan you have to beat with him. Doc tried to have him play more off the ball and when he did they were better and more difficult to defend. In fact, they had a better winning %, scored more points and played better team defense when he was injured this year. That was one of the toughest stretches of their schedule as well.

Now when you overlay the mental approach of cheating first playing the game second it compounds everything noted above.
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby Brando on Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:53 pm

AI and its not even close...
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Steady C wrote:I never really understand these Chris Paul comparisons anymore, due solely to the fact that Paul's not the same player he was before 2010. Don't get me wrong, it's not as though Paul wasn't a choker even then (blowing a 2-0 & 3-2 series lead in '08, the near 60 point embarrasment the next year, or as explosive off the dribble as Thomas or Kevin Johnson.Still, with a peak CP3, I'm taking Allen by miles, however it's important to note that we're essentially talking about two different players. I feel safe in saying that Paul would've at least passed the 2nd round by now if he has two full meniscuses, particularly if we were to place the '09 version on this past season's Clipset crew

Good post.

I think Paul would have gotten further if he spent more time using his actual talents and less time flopping, frowning, pouting and giving up in games. The Dude is a great player but rather go with theatrics than skill to win.


I'm not sure I fully agree.... Paul's knees don't change the fact that SA understood HOW he played and basically used against him. A 1/4 faster first step just gets him to throwing the ball off the backboard sooner while flailing his arms into Duncan's chest. It's about his game and approach.... not his athleticism. He's a ball dominant small PG. Until he isn't that his teams will not go far in the playoffs. When you get to that level of competition it's the game plan you have to beat with him. Doc tried to have him play more off the ball and when he did they were better and more difficult to defend. In fact, they had a better winning %, scored more points and played better team defense when he was injured this year. That was one of the toughest stretches of their schedule as well.

Now when you overlay the mental approach of cheating first playing the game second it compounds everything noted above.

I think we are in the same ballpark on the opinion. I just think that his overall skill for the game is much greater than he plays the game. I never thought Ginger Spice would be anything more than a flopper and dunker but last year he really showed an evolution to his game and the Clippers played much better with paul out because of Ginger. Paul plays for the advantage of getting calls. He is ball dom but he can literally get and make most shots when he wants to as well as he does have some great court vision, again, when he wants too. One of his strengths and ultimately weakness is his confidence and arrogance. His team feeds off the cockiness but then he doesn't really control them when they need to be lead. I believe you said many times you didn't like Paul as a leader and I agreed he isn't one. In the end, I think his skills are wasted by the fact that he "cheats" first.
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Re: AI Or CP3

Postby Kingsama on Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:14 pm

There are very few players that battle the Lakers and I would still call myself a fan of theirs. Even with Larry he had to be retired for years for me to like the him as a player. But AI I have loved since college. Anyone that played that hard, through all those injuries, and with out a secondary star has my respect. At the end of the day AI was a warrior who gave everything to win. CP3 just isn't that guy. Not to say he is bad. In many ways he is a better player than AI, but if I'm picking who I want leading my team its AI all day long. He is one of those players that if he is on your squad you know you always have a chance of winning.
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