Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri May 16, 2014 11:59 am

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Shadow wrote:Deandre Jordan has been a monster in this series.


We'll see what he does when he isn't Joel Emiid'ing it by playing a team of 6'8" guys.


Yeah, not like he led the entire association in rebounding huh? Only against GS huh?


Enjoy the Clipper offseason......

DJ 2nd round

31 minutes - 7 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 21% FT.........What did he actually do this series?

Hibbert 2nd round

30 minutes - 12 ppg, 5 rpg, 2.2 bpg, 78% FT.............Game 2 and Game 4 huge plays and a big reason IND in ECF

But did you see his dunks though? :man11:


Fair enough. I would still take DJ over Hibbert heading into next season. He has more upside. You can't teach his off the chart athleticism for a guy 6'11" and 265 lbs. He definitely needs to improve on many aspects of his game. Start with FT shooting. It's pathetic and there is no excuse. He should try to develop a post move or two. I don't expect him to be a go to guy down low but just develop a move or two for situations where he has good, deep position on his defender. But right now, he's one of the best rebounders, rim protectors and active defenders in the league.

But I will admit that I would take Hibbert over DJ if the Hibbert from the Miami series in last year's playoff shows up consistently. But that's just not the normal Hibbert. That is above and beyond normal Hibbert. The normal Hibbert is probably what we saw in the second round. A decent big who has serious limitations in terms of athleticism.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri May 16, 2014 4:30 pm

how the hell did the Clippers lose? They had the greatest ever CP3 and the next coming of Wilt in Jordan. Man if only that ONE play hadn't cost them that 7 point lead with less than a minute to go in the game before the elimination game which they lost on their own floor. Still that one stupid play :bang:
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby gcclaker on Fri May 16, 2014 5:56 pm

Jordan runs the floor better and is just as good of a weak side defender but as documented is offensively challenged. He has no one on one back to the basket post moves or even a face up shot. Given his long arms and very good mobility, doesn't he have a jump hook or something? If he could, then he'd take pressure off Blake and his other teammates. Jordan is even ambidextrous.

Hibbert with his head on straight has better touch around the rim though slower with his moves. Defensively, he is a touch better to anchor the post with his bulk.

My pick? Jordan. ONLY because he plays with a chip on his shoulder every game and still can get better. Hibbert could meltdown any day.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby Magic Skywalker on Fri May 16, 2014 10:04 pm

When he's actually in the game, Hibbert's definitely better. Offensively he'll never be a number 1 or even number 2 option, but his ability to defend the paint is extremely good.

He's a guy that knows perfectly well he doesn't have to go for the block every time, and is just excellent keeping is verticality. You can say a guy like Jordan is young and could learn that.... and sure, he could, but truth is that is very rare to see a guy do that well... at least not at Hibbert's level.

Hibbert is slow and has little to no atheticism... he's just a guy who knows how to use his size in spite of those limitations. Because of that, he's far from being a "complete" defender, in the sense of being able to guard the perimeter, high and low post, recover position, help defense, etc. But his ability to keep the oponent from scoring in the paint is so good, that really makes up for everything he lacks (defensively).

So yeah, DeAndre Jordan has the potential to be better, but I think it's unlikely, and he's definitely not better right now.

Hibbert's not, and will never be a 20-10 guy, but it's not that what makes him so valuable. You just won't see his value just by looking at the boxscore.

And yes, he's clearly demonstrated he has a head problem with this games where it seems he's just not there. I don't know what happened before, and what happened after game 1 vs Washington (I do know he went fishing with George and had a talk with Hill and West), but if he can keep himself in the game (and I don't mean foul trouble), he's VERY valuable for Indiana, a team that, when playing good defense, is by far the best defense in the league.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby LooN3y on Sat May 17, 2014 12:44 pm

DeAndre's Offensive handicaps is just like dwights and everyother center in the league. its just ridiculous how theres such a lack of talented bigmen compared to the 90s and early 00s
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby Rooscooter on Sat May 17, 2014 7:14 pm

^^Yup.... Lopez, Jefferson and Nene are about the most offensively talented bigs left in the game. Kaman is as well if given playing time. Pau is declining but still decent.

Bynum was a couple of Knees away from a dominant career. He has "old school" post play ability but like so many bigs.... the lower body lets them down way too early.

The decade of the big man was the lost 70's... the 80's and early 90's were good as well. Since the mid 90's it's been Shaq and just about no one else. Duncan is a PF in my book as is Garnet.... I actually thing it's their success that has changed the Center position as most bigs don't want to be a back to the basket guy.... they want to play on the parameter.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby Doc Brown on Sat May 17, 2014 7:52 pm

AAU and YouTube have killed the big man game.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby TIME on Sat May 17, 2014 10:18 pm

Both Jordan and Hibbert suck if their cap numbers are taken into consideration. I would not want either one on their current contracts. If I was forced to take one it would depend on whether my team was a running or half court team. DJ is probably the least skilled big in the history of the NBA. Hibbert is a head case. It's like asking do you want to be punched or kicked.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 18, 2014 10:35 am

TIME wrote:Both Jordan and Hibbert suck if their cap numbers are taken into consideration. I would not want either one on their current contracts. If I was forced to take one it would depend on whether my team was a running or half court team. DJ is probably the least skilled big in the history of the NBA. Hibbert is a head case. It's like asking do you want to be punched or kicked.



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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun May 18, 2014 11:10 am

Deandre is a poor mans Ben Wallace. Hibbert is like a healthy Bynum, but without the fire.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun May 18, 2014 12:03 pm

No way, a healthy Bynum in his prime now kills Hibbert. :man4: Are you kidding, have you forgotten the arc of improvement he was on?
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun May 18, 2014 4:52 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
TIME wrote:Both Jordan and Hibbert suck if their cap numbers are taken into consideration. I would not want either one on their current contracts. If I was forced to take one it would depend on whether my team was a running or half court team. DJ is probably the least skilled big in the history of the NBA. Hibbert is a head case. It's like asking do you want to be punched or kicked.



^^JaVail McGee says hi..... :man12:

I actually don't think McGee is an unskilled big in fact I think he has a ton of skill. His problem is he is about as bright as a blackhole in a blackout on a black planet in the deep dark reaches of space where no light can reach.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby TIME on Sun May 18, 2014 5:41 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
TIME wrote:Both Jordan and Hibbert suck if their cap numbers are taken into consideration. I would not want either one on their current contracts. If I was forced to take one it would depend on whether my team was a running or half court team. DJ is probably the least skilled big in the history of the NBA. Hibbert is a head case. It's like asking do you want to be punched or kicked.



^^JaVail McGee says hi..... :man12:

I actually don't think McGee is an unskilled big in fact I think he has a ton of skill. His problem is he is about as bright as a blackhole in a blackout on a black planet in the deep dark reaches of space where no light can reach.


:man10:

Yeah, at least McGee knows how to execute a post move. Jordan has only one post move. CP3 yells at him to move out of the post so he drive the lane.

All kidding aside though, at least Hibbert has a 50% chance of showing up in a playoff game. So I would probably go with Hibbert.
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby Rooscooter on Mon May 19, 2014 10:06 am

^^That's just a small sample…. :man10:
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Re: Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon May 19, 2014 3:51 pm

Like I said McGee is a space cadet but the talent is way above DJ's. DJ may be a wee bit smarter though
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