Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby halekulani on Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:54 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
As for refuting something..... This just shows that you haven't followed my argument and are arguing purely from a statistical point of view.

what are you talking about

the discussion started with paul vs rondo
you said paul hogged the ball more than rondo
Rondo's dominance of the ball is probably 60% of CP3.


the numbers say it is literally impossible for you to back what you just stated
i didn't have to use stats to refute your statement
i just used simple god damn facts
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:56 pm

^^ :man10: No longer a respectful exchange I see.

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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby halekulani on Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:59 pm

charvin wrote:
halekulani wrote:two, let's just say you concede the point that cp3 hogs the ball a lot more than rondo b/c it literally is impossible for you to defend your side at this point.


Over time, his argument has been just that. The point is: CP3 needs the ball to be effective, Rondo does not. He's also arguing that teammates have to go out of their way to get him free while Rondo operates within the context of the offence.

the roles of the offense are dictated by the coach's game plan
a player doesn't have to have the ball to be effective if the offense puts them in that situation
the offense run in boston isn't the same as the one run in LA
just because paul doesn't cut and get layups or doesn't come off of screens to slash to the hoop doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so. that's simply not the game plan.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby halekulani on Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:02 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Advanced Analytics, like Per and win shares etc. are phony Analytics..... They add little to the basics of ppt, assists etc. To believe that they somehow provide a different evaluation of a players statistical value is the fallacy. They are based on basic stats..... Not new information. They are combining stats and time, game score etc. nothing new.... Nothing advanced either.

iverson shot 39% in the 2000-2001 playoffs

defend that

he went 5/26 against the bucks...not once but twice omfg.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby John3:16 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:55 am

^^^^ I can bring some bad Kobe shooting percentages into this. Does that make CP3 >> Kobe ??
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:50 pm

John3:16 wrote:^^^^ I can bring some bad Kobe shooting percentages into this. Does that make CP3 >> Kobe ??

Duh. Have you seen his PER?

Also Kevin Durant's stats this season are better than some of Michael Jordan's in the early 90's. Jordan's prime. Kevin Durant is probably going to be the GOAT when it is all said and done - if not already.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:52 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
John3:16 wrote:^^^^ I can bring some bad Kobe shooting percentages into this. Does that make CP3 >> Kobe ??

Duh. Have you seen his PER?

Also Kevin Durant's stats this season are better than some of Michael Jordan's in the early 90's. Jordan's prime. Kevin Durant is probably going to be the GOAT when it is all said and done - if not already.


doubtful. KD will never be conisidered the GOAT becuase of a couple of things. 1. His playing partner in ballhog westbrook. 2. He has been, up to now at least, way to passive in taking over games instead taking a back seat to westbrook. 3. He is following to close to Lebron hype machine and even if KD runs off 5 straight Championships the media will tout it as "after Lebron's prime."
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby John3:16 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:05 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
John3:16 wrote:^^^^ I can bring some bad Kobe shooting percentages into this. Does that make CP3 >> Kobe ??

Duh. Have you seen his PER?

Also Kevin Durant's stats this season are better than some of Michael Jordan's in the early 90's. Jordan's prime. Kevin Durant is probably going to be the GOAT when it is all said and done - if not already.


doubtful. KD will never be conisidered the GOAT becuase of a couple of things. 1. His playing partner in ballhog westbrook. 2. He has been, up to now at least, way to passive in taking over games instead taking a back seat to westbrook. 3. He is following to close to Lebron hype machine and even if KD runs off 5 straight Championships the media will tout it as "after Lebron's prime."


Think your sarcasm meter is off today Puffy.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:42 pm

John3:16 wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
John3:16 wrote:^^^^ I can bring some bad Kobe shooting percentages into this. Does that make CP3 >> Kobe ??

Duh. Have you seen his PER?

Also Kevin Durant's stats this season are better than some of Michael Jordan's in the early 90's. Jordan's prime. Kevin Durant is probably going to be the GOAT when it is all said and done - if not already.


doubtful. KD will never be conisidered the GOAT becuase of a couple of things. 1. His playing partner in ballhog westbrook. 2. He has been, up to now at least, way to passive in taking over games instead taking a back seat to westbrook. 3. He is following to close to Lebron hype machine and even if KD runs off 5 straight Championships the media will tout it as "after Lebron's prime."


Think sarcasm meter is off today Puffy.

Very likely I havent been paying much attention lately.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby halekulani on Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:12 am

John3:16 wrote:^^^^ I can bring some bad Kobe shooting percentages into this. Does that make CP3 >> Kobe ??


look if he's going to defend his point of iverson being an incredible player, you have to do better than ppg/apg/took a team to the finals.

iverson was inefficient. that's not some wild hypothesis. that's a fact even the most basic stats will tell you. he was a career 42-43% shooter. while you want to give him all the credit for taking a team to the finals, lets not ignore that even though he was the majority of the sixers offense, he had a t5 defense. in addition, he had like zero competition that year as the eastern conference was weak af. to give him so much credit for carrying the sixers into the finals when he's chucking 39% just because he has a high ppg stat is pretty ludicrous. put that sixers team in the western conference and they don't get to the finals. team accomplishments in the playoffs are more than individual talent. you need the right personnel and the right timing. playing in a stacked western conference doesn't do anyone any favors. some of iverson's best basketball was later in his career (2004-2007) well after he won his mvp and made his finals trip.

yes i completely agree that paul can't win if he's the best player on his team bc he will have to handle the ball more than he should. that being said, paul is already so talented as an individual, he can really only be paired with a few other elite players in the league that are capable of creating shots for themselves, such as KD. to think paul couldn't work with KD is an asinine opinion. paul can play off the ball and has no problem with the catch and shoot...he's basically automatic.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby charvin on Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:55 am

The Eastern Conference has been weak these past few years. I can't say with certainty that the year Iverson made the Finals, the Eastern Conference was weak. Why? Because as weak as the conference was, no team was head and shoulders above one another where they could sweep and move on. That year would be an anomaly if you asked which was the weaker conference. If you asked someone with limited knowledge, they would likely say the Western Conf. was weaker because the Lakers just plowed through each and every team (almost unheard of), sweeping them along the way. They weren't bad teams either - Portland & Sacramento both had and were going to give the Lakers trouble during their 3peat.
On the other hand, the 76ers were constantly grinding in 6 and 7 game series giving the impression that it was a tough conference.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:02 am

The weak conference thing is over used. The east is weak now but the heat have won two in a row over the West.... So if a team is good it really doesn't matter which conference they play in.
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Re: Does Russell Westbrook throw off OKC's chemistry?

Postby halekulani on Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:20 am

the weak conference argument doesn't make sense in today's nba because you need to take context into account

nobody in their right mind would have thought the sixers had a chance against the lakers and the sixers were the #1 team coming out of the east.

do you guys know what the odds were for the lakers sixers finals?

NBA FINALS ODDS
Los Angeles Lakers - 2000
Philadelphia 76ers +1400

i'm sorry, but if the best team to come out of the east has +1400 odds, there is no question that they would have been terrible in the western conference. those kinds of odds are reserved for 1 vs 8 seeds in the first round. to be +1400 as a "contender" in the finals is a joke.
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