Dwight Coward Discussion

Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Weezy on Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:19 pm

I don't agree that he would have been more likable, his attitude just doesn't work here, and the reports that he wanted Kobe amnestied IMO killed any tolerance LA fans had for him. I also don't agree that 18/16 is 18/16, not when the guy it's coming from is a cancer and a giant baby that brings down the whole team. I don't agree he was that great a trade chip either, when he becomes unhappy we lose all the leverage.

Here, he and Kobe can't work together, they can't play together, it would never have worked, so we would have been choosing him over Kobe, and that's something I can't get behind. Does he have skill? Of course. Is he a great rebounder and shot blocker? Sure. Come on though, we know his flaws, we just saw him choke away a game against us at the free throw line. I can't believe people here would still say they wished he'd stayed after seeing his game not improve in Houston, but seeing the same basic attitude and already some team clique issues emerge. I'll say it again, man am I glad we didn't give this guy $100 million for 5 years. I don't care what numbers he puts on the stat sheet (though that seems to be ALL he cares about), he couldn't handle LA, couldn't be counted on at the end of game, he was a liability often, he had the worst attitude, and things are never his fault, it's always somebody else. Good riddance, he would have never won anything for us.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:33 pm

He would have been likable in the sense that he would have owned up to the pressure and the lights and he would have owned his responsibilities.

He would have been more likable for sure. Obviously the other stuff would have to fall into place: changing attitude and approach. But if he stayed, that would have been more likely.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:34 pm

abeer3 wrote:despite all my trashing of howard, i wanted him to stay and still think the team would be better off had he stayed. the fact that he's flawed shouldn't obscure the fact that he's still the most dominant defensive force in the game. the lakers sure could use someone to control the glass right now; that's for sure.

and i think his attitude has improved--or at least he's in no position to gripe anymore, so he doesn't. that's improvement over what we got to deal with here.

i hope he fails hard because he deserves it, but 18/16 is 18/16. i do agree with others that he seems to have hit a plateau, and i don't foresee him ever fulfilling his tremendous promise mostly due to his psychological issues.

but i doubt the lakers have a better center than that any time in the next 5-10 years.


A couple things here.

First, Howard's attitude, or anyone's for that matter, doesn't change in reality after a certain point. His "attitude" is the result of personality flaws. It's pretty obvious if one looks at his career objectively that he's not really interested in winning for competitive reasons.... it's more because he's supposed to want to win so he says that when asked. If he really wanted to win.... and really wanted to dominate he would have developed, worked and been a leader.

Those aren't in his DNA and just because he can jump really high and has the body he does doesn't make him able to change that. This is the number one reason I didn't want him on this team. I couldn't care less if we don't have a center that can put up stats. I'm not a fan for popularity.

You've hit on the reasons why Howard has peaked but then you lament that fact that he isn't our maxed out peaked, bad attitude center.... We're much better off rebuilding without him and his max salary cement shoes on this team.

Finally, I dislike the individual rebounding stat for a couple reasons and think it can be counter productive. Rebounds are other team's misses and if 5 people get them equally or 1 person gets them all is of little consequence to a team's success. % of rebounds gotten by a team is a better stat. Individual rebounding alone ins't much other than a fantasy.

Where having one person dominate the board can become counterproductive is that the other players become somewhat unaccustomed to rebounding like they should. We've seen this in the 2006-08 time frame here in LA with Kobe. When it gets tough toss it to Kobe and watch.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby sister golden hair on Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:59 pm

Howard seems cancerous. And unless he wins two or three rings will go down as a huge disappointment when his career is over. I think he's been overtaken by other centers already -- M. Gasol and R. Hibbert, maybe even Bogut -- who are all more well-rounded.

I always thought Dwight was a blown-up PF --the basketball equivalent of a cruiserweight/light-heavy stepping up in class to fight the big boys. He's not really a center, as he has no center-like skills on offense. In retrospect, SVG got a lot out of Dwight. That may be the best Dwight the league ever sees.

Good luck to him. But I predict within the next year he'll come to despise Harden (and his nonchalant ways on defense as well as his ball monopoly) as much as he apparently despised playing in LA>
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:53 pm

sister golden hair wrote:Howard seems cancerous. And unless he wins two or three rings will go down as a huge disappointment when his career is over. I think he's been overtaken by other centers already -- M. Gasol and R. Hibbert, maybe even Bogut -- who are all more well-rounded.

I always thought Dwight was a blown-up PF --the basketball equivalent of a cruiserweight/light-heavy stepping up in class to fight the big boys. He's not really a center, as he has no center-like skills on offense. In retrospect, SVG got a lot out of Dwight. That may be the best Dwight the league ever sees.

Good luck to him. But I predict within the next year he'll come to despise Harden (and his nonchalant ways on defense as well as his ball monopoly) as much as he apparently despised playing in LA>


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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby 432J on Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:39 am

he's getting less touches compared to last season already

he won't complain about it just yet though because he knows how bad his reputation already is around the league, give it some time and we'll start seeing the old, immature dwight come out again
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:25 pm

Love the Dwight trainwreck keeeeeeeeeeep drivin
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby gill on Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:28 pm

Is there any stat to see how many touches / FGA he's had in the 4th quarter?
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Kit on Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:57 pm

I watched the 76ers game last night and he didn't get many touches and he didn't even demand for it.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby revgen on Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:19 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Finally, I dislike the individual rebounding stat for a couple reasons and think it can be counter productive. Rebounds are other team's misses and if 5 people get them equally or 1 person gets them all is of little consequence to a team's success. % of rebounds gotten by a team is a better stat. Individual rebounding alone ins't much other than a fantasy.


Agreed. Especially when it comes to defensive rebounds.

That's why I like rebounders like Jordan Hill. Instead of stealing defensive rebounds from Pau like Dwight would do, he goes after the rebounds the opposing team should be getting on the offensive glass. His rebounding is an addition to the team's productivity rather than a subtraction.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:35 pm

revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Finally, I dislike the individual rebounding stat for a couple reasons and think it can be counter productive. Rebounds are other team's misses and if 5 people get them equally or 1 person gets them all is of little consequence to a team's success. % of rebounds gotten by a team is a better stat. Individual rebounding alone ins't much other than a fantasy.


Agreed. Especially when it comes to defensive rebounds.

That's why I like rebounders like Jordan Hill. Instead of stealing defensive rebounds from Pau like Dwight would do, he goes after the rebounds the opposing team should be getting on the offensive glass. His rebounding is an addition to the team's productivity rather than a subtraction.


% of rebounds is a relevant stat. Individual rebounding is far less relevant.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby abeer3 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:07 pm

i like team rebounding percentage when said player is on the floor. guys who draw a lot of attention on the glass create boards for teammates, too. i'd have to look up howard's stats there, but i'm guessing it looks good.

anyway, i'm not denying he's got a couple major flaws (post game, fts); i'm just saying the lakers will spend 20 million dollars per over the next few years on two or more guys who aren't worth what flawed Dwight howard is. jmo.

and that's not trashing the lakers front office; they did what they needed to in terms of trying to re-sign him. they couldn't fire another coach; they couldn't trade kobe. but howard continuing to be a turd doesn't take the sting out of losing the best player at his position. now, if his back injury comes back to haunt him, i'll agree that the lakers dodged a bullet. but not right now.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:14 pm

Dwight is getting shut down on national television by Andrea Bargnani of all people.

This is must watch TV.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Balance&Options24 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:07 pm

The Dwight dominoes are falling.

Asik, then Lin and then Mchale
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby 432J on Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:24 pm

Frank Dux wrote:Dwight is getting shut down on national television by Andrea Bargnani of all people.

This is must watch TV.

reminds me of last season when he was shut down by tyler zeller
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby kenzo on Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:52 am

Balance&Options24 wrote:The Dwight dominoes are falling.

Asik, then Lin and then Mchale

LOL, this is the scenario i'm predicting as well :man9:
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Beleza on Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:08 am

his team will still do better than anything lakers will do this season
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby kenzo on Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:16 am

I guess you meant the team he plays for. Right?
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Beleza on Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:20 am

ur all laughing at him. laugh at the team u support 1st LOL
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby kenzo on Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:29 am

Ok. Im realy glad we had this conversation.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby ThizGuy83 on Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:25 am

Beleza wrote:ur all laughing at him. laugh at the team u support 1st LOL
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kobes not saving nothing? so in other words... ur saying kobe is saving everything? since u decided to use double negative in ur sentence? i like how u think young man :man12:
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Barnstable on Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:57 am

kenzo wrote:Ok. Im realy glad we had this conversation.

:man10:

Still, the troll is gone
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby LooN3y on Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:24 am

Houston fans are really getting sick of Dwight, pretty much complaining about the same thing he was doing when he was with us.

Lol, i think most fans back Lin every time Dwight isn't ready for a pass and turns it over and whines to Lin saying he's not passing correctly ala Steve Nash
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby pound4pound1 on Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:54 am

Beleza wrote:his team will still do better than anything lakers will do this season




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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby 432J on Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:08 pm

the rockets fans are already fed up with his inability to perform the pick and roll and have come to realize his complete lack of a post game


if he couldn't work the p&r with one of the greatest passing pg's of all time in steve nash, what makes them think he could pull it off with jeremy lin?
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