Dwight Coward Discussion

Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:29 pm

^ Also take into consideration the crop of physical big men there were compared to today.

You can't really compare - Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol, Andrew Bogut, old Tim Duncan, Kevin Love to likes of Shaq, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson and Charles Barkley, Karl Malone.

Dwight is just so much more athletic for his size compared to everyone else today.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:40 pm

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1)You are right Mutumbo didn't want the ball he knew his limitations and his strengths like I pointed out earlier in my choice of who to choose. Dwight wants the ball because he thinks he is an offensive player which he isn't. In fact he is horrid at it. So yes, he will produce more but that isn't really saying its better. Could Mutumbo put up similar offensive numbers if he was more aggressive? I think so.

2) I agree. The only reason I even consider Mutumbo is that Dwight doesn't have the heart to be great. He has the physical gifts but not the desire/skills.

3) The rebounding thing has always been a tricky subject. Andrew Bynum got killed from time to time because of his rebounding totals but I always said that is not exactly fair because of aggressive rebounders like LO and Pau (back then) plus Kobe. Those guys stole all sorts of rebounds. I have been before and still believe now that Dwights rebounding numbers is often more of a result of the team around him. He doesn't play with guys who are rebounders or bang in the paint players. His whole team in Orl was outside shooters and average defenders. He picked up tons of boards cause he was the only one. In LA his numbers were ok, in my opinion, nothing magical. We blamed it on injury (which is authentic). I honestly don't think he will keep the consistency of that either when its all said and done. His effort is tied to his offense and we know how that goes. Got no heart!

3) Dwight at his best was an easy pick over Mutumbo but the Dwight of now..... Give me Mutombo. Thats why I said in the earlier post that Dwight has "fallen" down to this discussion again IMHO.

4) of course.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby gcclaker on Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:02 pm

Howard due to his athleticism was quicker off the floor than Mutombo so he can get to blocks and rebounds better...as a help defender. Mutombo though had great anticipation which helped him one on one. On offense, both are ungainly but I believe Deke was more reliable at the charity stripe.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:41 pm

It's also worth mentioning their career projections were entirely different... from the start Mutombo was touted primarily as a defensive stopper, everyone thought that sky was the limit for Dwight.

The fact that Dwight is being compared to Mutombo now is a statement in its own IMO, how much his "ceiling" fallen.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:04 pm

I'm with you guys if you're talking about where he's at now. Where Dwight is now he is most certainly a glorified Mutombo. I might pick Mutombo in his prime just for the fact that he'd be cheaper, with more heart, and a better locker room personality.

Dwight these days doesn't have the strength he used to. Doesn't have what little heart he had in Orlando. Doesn't shoot well from the stripe and won't improve. Doesn't, doesn't, doesn't. He still has a ton of talent and on any given night might explode, but Mutombo brought that energy every night even if he wasn't as good.

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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:33 pm

Dwight had a great game tonight. Hit his freethrows tonight at like 80+ %. HOWEVER, when it came down to it he missed a few layups, lost the ball, and did less and less as the game trickled down. Him and the best 2G in NBA choke again when it matters. 14 point lead to start the 4th quarter and they lost.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby kenzo on Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:26 pm

ROTFL
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby revgen on Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:14 pm

Vince telling it like it is. :mhihi:
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby gcclaker on Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:32 pm

^Not to mention Howard fined $25K for tossing the ball at a heckler. Given his FG% I wouldn't be surprised if he missed.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby purp n gold on Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:16 pm

LOL... nicely done, VC
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby ThizGuy83 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:05 pm

gcclaker wrote:^Not to mention Howard fined $25K for tossing the ball at a heckler. Given his FG% I wouldn't be surprised if he missed.

I believe he did miss. The fan had to get out of his way just to hit the ball back
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:55 am

lol. VC calling out the cry baby. Nice.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:45 pm

gcclaker wrote:^Not to mention Howard fined $25K for tossing the ball at a heckler. Given his FG% I wouldn't be surprised if he missed.


If he was farther than 14 feet away there's a 50-50 chance he did miss......
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Weezy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:41 pm

Dwight is a giant baby with no self control. Pro athletes are supposed to be able to tune out the crowd, ignore them, certainly not give the satisfaction of a response, and he tosses a ball at one? :man10: It's a very little thing and not a big deal, but it's funny and it tells me a lot about him, he cares way too much what people say and think about him.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby SpencerHarrison on Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:46 pm

So I guess this question belongs here:

What are we missing about Dwight Howard that professional NBA GMs are seeing and think is worth a max money contract?

I know we talk a lot of junk on him and laugh at his bad play, inflated rebound totals and poor offensive game. But none the less, this dude is getting paid. And was a MAJOR commodity in free agency for a few very well run franchises.

So, to those who have some perspective to add on this: WHAT DO GMs SEE IN THIS GUY? Because from what I see on TV, I just don't see how he helps you win that many NBA games over any other big man with athleticism.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby gcclaker on Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:56 pm

^Howard is a name and a brand... Organizations have to have a player that will draw interest and put duffs on the seats. Harden is good but is not a "star" in the public eye. With Howard there is a curiosity factor in whether he will actually live up to his potential or flame out again.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:21 pm

SpencerHarrison wrote:So I guess this question belongs here:

What are we missing about Dwight Howard that professional NBA GMs are seeing and think is worth a max money contract?

I know we talk a lot of junk on him and laugh at his bad play, inflated rebound totals and poor offensive game. But none the less, this dude is getting paid. And was a MAJOR commodity in free agency for a few very well run franchises.

So, to those who have some perspective to add on this: WHAT DO GMs SEE IN THIS GUY? Because from what I see on TV, I just don't see how he helps you win that many NBA games over any other big man with athleticism.


That is really easy.....

The guy sells tickets because he is charismatic and explosive. The other thing is you can't teach height nor defensive anticipation which Dwight does have going for him. His stats on the defensive end make him worth a lot of money providing they can pair him with a true Alpha player. From the business side of basketball Dwight sells tickets and jerseys it doesn't matter if he is loved or hated fans are going to come see him succeed or fail.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:26 am

Usage % in 12-13 : 22.4
Usage % in 13-14 : 22.7

Wow, D12 went from the selfish Mamba ballhog to the great teammate Harden !
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby kenzo on Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:28 am

^ fun is what matters most. He has that in Houston.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby bnr034 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:00 pm

^ and winning
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:04 pm

bnr034 wrote:^ and winning


You're confused. We are talking about Dwight.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:29 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
bnr034 wrote:^ and winning


You're confused. We are talking about Dwight.


Wait that 13-7 is a super impressive winning record. That damn Dwight is headed to having his jersey retired in Orlando,LA (clippers that is) and Toronto (just because they want to join in)
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby SpencerHarrison on Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:34 pm

Literally every time I've tuned in to a Rockets game, I've seen Dwight play like garbage. Offensive fouls, stepping out of bounds, missing free throws, getting stripped, whining, etc. I love having my bias confirmed.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Balance&Options24 on Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:09 pm

SpencerHarrison wrote:Literally every time I've tuned in to a Rockets game, I've seen Dwight play like garbage. Offensive fouls, stepping out of bounds, missing free throws, getting stripped, whining, etc. I love having my bias confirmed.
So he's pretty much the same player he was last year.
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