Dwight Coward Discussion

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Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:04 am

Harden and Coward decided , as soon as the season started, that they are going to blame Lin for their team shortcomings ... I noticed that in early regular season games
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Jellincon on Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:58 am

Deep Divide Between Harden, Howard Can't Be Masked by Rockets' Game 3 Victory

By Kevin Ding


PORTLAND, Ore. — We never did get to see Dwight Howard in the NBA playoffs last season alongside Kobe Bryant.

It would've looked a lot like this.

Howard and his next-gen partner, James Harden, showcased some outstanding individual talent and precious little teamwork Friday night, and by the margin of a few beard hairs, the Houston Rockets dodged another embarrassing stain on the start of their partnership.

The Rockets blew a nine-point lead in the last 5:18 of regulation and survived overtime on Friday, 121-116, to avoid losing all three of Harden and Howard's first playoff games together to the Portland Trail Blazers.

Whether the season ends at the hands of the bench-poor Blazers or someone else, it's not ending happily, and it's valid to wonder if Harden and Howard will ever really live a fairy-tale existence together.

Harden's shot-creating disguised a lack of team play, same as it often did in the regular season. And after the last in a long line of lame efforts by Harden on defense allowed Damian Lillard to fly by for a reverse layup late in regulation, Howard had enough. He yelled at Harden right there on the court as a timeout began.

Lillard (16 seconds into the video below) had waved to his teammates to show blatantly he wanted clear space to drive baseline against Harden, who just let Lillard have it and made no effort whatsoever to recover. Lillard, after getting past Jeremy Lin's leaping help defense, had only gone for the reverse layup because he logically expected Harden to have chased after him.


Harden's disinterest in doing the right things on defense has ceased to be a secret. Even if you give him a pass late in the regular season for his increased burden on offense amid Houston's injuries, it has become clear in the postseason that Harden remains perfectly content to stand around on defense and go for everything on offense.

That's just the sort of thing that prompted Howard to yell at Bryant just a month into their Los Angeles Lakers partnership, Howard even sticking a finger in the face of a seated Bryant in a timeout that December 2012 night in New Orleans. Say what you want about Howard's array of immaturities and insecurities, but the guy knows how to play defense, and if Harden intends to hold the leading-man title with so many teammates lacking experience, he really has to do so much better.

As of now, there's no true mutual respect between Houston's two All-Stars.

Harden, 24, and Howard, 28, clearly have their own priorities. Those include Howard getting his touches in the post—and Harden getting Howard out of the lane for room to drive. So the Rockets look like great players but don't even look like a good team.

They have a theory on how to play basketball, focusing on scoring via threes, free throws and in the paint, but they don't have a system that mandates Harden and Howard really being all-in as far as working together. Their style is basically alternating attack modes, which is the sort of simplistic approach that always gets mucked up come playoff time.

It was appropriate that the final key play of the Rockets' season-saving victory Friday was a random display of teamwork by former NBA Development Leaguers Lin and Troy Daniels—Harden having lost the ball and Howard left calling for the ball while Lin set up Daniels for what would be the difference-making three pointer.


Not long before that, Harden had put both hands on Lin and stared into his eyes after Lin had lost the ball on a play Lin was supposed to dump the ball simply to Harden. Earlier in the game, Howard had yelled at Lin for being late in feeding Howard in the post.

Neither Howard nor Harden was anywhere to be found after Lin got cracked in the face a minute into overtime and lay on the court for some time. Howard, who two months into his Lakers season complained about Lakers not helping each other up, stood right near Lin, looked back at him and decided to go the other way to complain to a referee about no foul on Howard's missed shot to start overtime. Chandler Parsons eventually walked past Howard to try to help Lin.

Some disagreement on the court is going to happen, but there has got be a lot more connectivity to balance it out. Rockets coach Kevin McHale elicited a few flashes of teamwork when he ran the tight play with Howard feeding Harden in the post, screening for him and then popping free for an alley-oop from Harden.

Harden needs to be challenged by a coach to facilitate that way—and adhere to the team's defensive format—instead of just being a scorer. As much as Harden has exploded as an individual star with the Rockets, his game has actually gone from versatile to vanilla—no matter that his offensive flavor is fantastic.

That was always the problem with Howard's decision to join the Rockets. OK, he didn't like Bryant preaching to him what winning was all about, but there have been plenty of signs that Harden isn't about winning at all.

The Oklahoma City Thunder believing more in Serge Ibaka than Harden wasn't solely about big defense over small offense. Everything is a character study, as we've learned over recent years with Howard being an undeniable physical specimen...with all those immaturities and insecurities.

Even after this first playoff victory together, we have no more reason at all to believe Harden and Howard are going to grow to understand each other the way LeBron James and Dwyane Wade did in Miami. Harden and Howard both want it to be fun and easy and done their way, and neither is locked in on what really matters even now.

After the Game 2 loss in Houston, Harden got into a verbal dispute with NBA.com reporter Fran Blinebury after Blinebury questioned Harden's missed shots. It was a serious enough situation that onlookers believed that five more minutes and it would've gotten physical. As it was, before team officials led him away, Harden called out that Blinebury was a "weirdo."

Howard wasn't looking too poised after the Game 3 victory, either. He had done his usual stuff to entertain himself—a lot of three-point shots in his pregame warmup and talking to fans all night. This time, though, as a female fan heckled him before Harden's final free throws with 1.1 seconds left in overtime, Howard didn't laugh it off. He was annoyed enough that after the final horn, he was lured into another mean-spirited exchange with a courtside fan. When Rockets teammate Patrick Beverley came over for a postgame high-five, Howard was too busy yelling at the fan to be bothered by Beverley.

Yes, the Rockets did win the game, which was the main thing. McHale summed it up aptly, saying, "We're not a fine-tuned machine right now, but we went out and played hard."

Playing hard helped them come up with the play that ended in Daniels' tie-breaking three, although as Blazers coach Terry Stotts noted, "Mo (Williams) had the ball. We could've been running the other way with it. But instead Daniels hits a three. A bounce of the ball here or there makes a difference."

Realistic conclusion from Stotts. Harden, meanwhile, was still out of touch.

For as close as the game was, Harden was talking like some delusional field-goal kicker bragging about how he just nailed the winning kick…off the goal post.

"We weren't going to let our season end like that," Harden said.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2042582-deep-divide-between-harden-howard-cant-be-masked-by-rockets-game-3-victory
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:09 pm

LOL... Dwight is a joke and I am glad he is not in P&G
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:49 pm

I love it. Howard's smallness is such a great juxtaposition to his enormous size. :man10:

And Harden is a great study in how talent means nothing when you don't have the brains to back it up or the heart to drive it. He's got all the tools to be one of the real great SGs of the time, but I think he'll end up being Monta Ellis in a few years.

They're so similar that they have a hard time getting along. Harden never really continued developing his game once he realized he could use the refs. Howard never developed a post game when he realized he didn't want to.

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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Weezy on Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:28 pm

Ha ha, great stuff, sounds like they aren't having so much FUN in Houston right now. I always enjoy Ding articles even if don't always agree with his take, here his take can be seen on video, it's easily backed up. And I could be wrong, but I watched that Houston game, I thought Lin played pretty well overall to close that game. I saw Harden hit one shot in OT, I didn't see Dwight hit any. I saw Lin do quite a bit of positive things to close the 4th and in OT, he had multiple scores and big free throws. Maybe these "big stars" are looking at the wrong guy to yell at and disrespect, I'd say they should look in the mirror, but we all know that's not happening, these guys are above blame with themselves.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby denimPortugal on Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:34 pm

_!_ to that coward!
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:39 pm

Weezy wrote:Ha ha, great stuff, sounds like they aren't having so much FUN in Houston right now. I always enjoy Ding articles even if don't always agree with his take, here his take can be seen on video, it's easily backed up. And I could be wrong, but I watched that Houston game, I thought Lin played pretty well overall to close that game. I saw Harden hit one shot in OT, I didn't see Dwight hit any. I saw Lin do quite a bit of positive things to close the 4th and in OT, he had multiple scores and big free throws. Maybe these "big stars" are looking at the wrong guy to yell at and disrespect, I'd say they should look in the mirror, but we all know that's not happening, these guys are above blame with themselves.

Lin bust his butt without any complaints, any finger pointing or any excuses. Howard and Harden are the opposite
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Barnstable on Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:12 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Weezy wrote:Ha ha, great stuff, sounds like they aren't having so much FUN in Houston right now. I always enjoy Ding articles even if don't always agree with his take, here his take can be seen on video, it's easily backed up. And I could be wrong, but I watched that Houston game, I thought Lin played pretty well overall to close that game. I saw Harden hit one shot in OT, I didn't see Dwight hit any. I saw Lin do quite a bit of positive things to close the 4th and in OT, he had multiple scores and big free throws. Maybe these "big stars" are looking at the wrong guy to yell at and disrespect, I'd say they should look in the mirror, but we all know that's not happening, these guys are above blame with themselves.

Lin bust his butt without any complaints, any finger pointing or any excuses. Howard and Harden are the opposite


Exactly.

Lin is one of the only things I like a bout that team
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:19 pm

So I had to log onto my computer just to come in and be able to type this....

In the 4th quarter late in the game James Harden attacked the basket. The shot was blocked by LA and Harden hits the deck. The ball bounces to the side and the blazers get or it goes out of bounds (doesn't really matter). As the broadcast is getting ready to go to commercial you can see Harden on the ground then you see Dwight walk right by him like he wasn't even there. Two other rockets (Parson and Beverly I think) run over from out near the perimeter to help Harden (on the base line) up. This made me pay closer attention to Harden and Dwight for the rest of the 4th and OT. Even though Harden had got Dwight some easy dunks and looks not once did he acknowledge Harden. No head nod, no high-five as they got back on defense or any other normal props to a teammate. Harden is a manufactured star in every sense of the word but Howard is a punk or as LA said "he is a p***y."

Speaking of him being a vagina (Aldridge's words not mine lol) I really think Dwight was trying to get tossed in OT. He basically two-hand shoved everyone at various times but the big one was the Aldridge rebound where Dwight basically does the decapitation roundhouse swing as the whistle gets blown. Thats when LA high-fives his teammate and laughs calling Dwight a p***y. I am so glad this guy is not on our team.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Weezy on Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:03 pm

I agree with all that man, I saw no love between Dwight and Harden, or really between Dwight and anyone. Dwight's a baby (though I like your term and Aldridge's term as well), when things aren't going well he pouts, he commits stupid fouls, he is weak minded. Yeah he'll go grab big boards, he'll block some big shots, throw down some powerful dunks, but when things aren't going easy or his way he is SO easily frustrated. I would rather root for D-Leaguers giving us their all and losing 50 games than have to root for this "superstar" even if he gets us X more wins, it would have eaten at me and killed me inside to have been forced to root for this clown.

He and his buddy Harden are so much of what is wrong with today's game IMO. One is spoiled and weak mentally, one is spoiled by the refs and protected physically. I see so little respect for the game in either of them, like the flopping and going for fouls not even truly attempting to make a shot, or pouting and committing stupid fouls as retaliation or as you say puffy, maybe even to get tossed because you don't wanna play anymore. Or, like in Harden's exchange with that one reporter a few games back, and it makes me so thankful that we've had a star like Kobe to root for for as long as we have.

The media can hate him, they can talk crap on him all they want, but he's shown the game more respect than these new faces of the NBA ever have and for the most part IMO played the game the right way. By that I mean played hard, played genuinely tough, no flopping, not acting like wins are just deserved, but fighting to earn them, shaking the hands of the hated enemies who beat him in humiliating fashion. And he is never, ever going to let a reporter genuinely get into his head, especially not in the playoffs. According to the media, Kobe's always been "arrogant, entitled, etc", but IMO Dwight and Harden are on a different level of that, I don't care if their phony, NBA sponsored reputations say otherwise.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby 432J on Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:57 pm

props to aldridge for telling it like it is!

doesn't look like dwight is having too much fun in houston right now. neither dwight or the bearded loser know a thing about winning, nor do they seem to care really. he chose the perfect team to join to have all the fun he wants without any pressure to win. he wanted one big party and it looks like the rockets are fitting the bill perfectly. poor jeremy lin is getting all the blame for these two clowns sucking it up
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:10 am

Dwight is a mental midget. If he's wondering why he's constantly on teams that underperform there is a common element that he's obviously ignoring…….
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:13 am

We all hate Coward and his shortcomings ... but he's Houston best player by far in this series ... Harden and McHale are the ones to blame
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Magic Skywalker on Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:48 am

Gotta agree with wcsoldier81.

I don't like Howard one bit because of a lot of things that have been mentioned more than a few times here, but he's still a great basketball player. He has a lot of weaknesses and was probably overrated before he came to the Lakers, but he's still good, and he's certainly the main reason the Rockets have been so close in this series (I think we can all agree that even if it's a 3-1, this has been a very close series).

That said, I hope Rockets lose in game 5. While Portland isn't exactly Lakers-friendly (though I suppose that'sp pretty much any team, specially in the West), I do have to admit I love watching Lillard and Aldridge play, while watching Harden and Howard (specially Harden), for me its just... :hurl:
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:09 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:We all hate Coward and his shortcomings ... but he's Houston best player by far in this series ... Harden and McHale are the ones to blame


Best player maybe….. great player? Nope. Not in my book. Great players foster "team" and lead when the team needs to be lead…… He does neither. Stats look good though…..
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby revgen on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:19 am

I agree with WcSoldier81 and Magic Skywalker that Howard has been the best player in this series for Houston. Yet Houston is still down 3-1 despite home court advantage coming into the series.

This is what Howard wanted. He wanted to be the No 1 man on a team. He left the Lakers and went to Houston to get his wish.

Now he's upset about it? Roo said it best, he's a mental midget. He can't stand not being the no 1 guy on the team. If he wants to be the no 1 guy and win a chip, he needs to expand his skillset, especially offensively. If he doesn't want to expand his skills, then he needs to accept the fact that he can only win a chip being no 2 on the totem pole.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby scissors on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:20 am

I was hoping for a sweep but I'll take being down 3 - 1. I'll be happier once they are eliminated.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:33 am

I have not changed my opinions on him ... he's not leading a team to a title ... I'm just saying Harden is even more overrated than Coward as a 1st option and I don't see how he has a better mentality as a supposed leader
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:34 am

Any links to Aldridge calling him a *****?
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:03 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:I have not changed my opinions on him ... he's not leading a team to a title ... I'm just saying Harden is even more overrated than Coward as a 1st option and I don't see how he has a better mentality as a supposed leader


Harden is a relative newcomer to the stage and I don't see him as being a NO 1 at all. I really don't like the number 1, 2 stuff anyway. Teams have leaders and the team will take on the personality of that leader. Houston has taken on Howard's personality to a tee IMHO. Harden included……

Chipping and sniping this summer will ensue. McHale will be gone along with who ever they can get rid of to appease Howard.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:10 am

We never did get to see Dwight Howard in the NBA playoffs last season alongside Kobe Bryant.

It would've looked a lot like this.



no, Kevin


you're not gonna see Kobe playing half as53d defense in the playoffs...Harden is a bum
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby abeer3 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:43 pm

scissors wrote:I was hoping for a sweep but I'll take being down 3 - 1. I'll be happier once they are eliminated.


I refuse to celebrate until they're officially dead. but I REALLY hope to get that chance soon.

as for roo's claim that the team took on howard's persona...disagree. howard joined them because they already had that in common. they just want a fun, easy time and assume they're owed wins. harden chief among them and long before howard arrived. lin and asik are probably the two who least fit the mold, and I'm guessing they'll both be gone soon.

anyway, I'm enjoying lma beating them with midrange shots after their season-long smug takes on what constitutes good offense. welcome to the playoffs, dorks.
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:43 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:
We never did get to see Dwight Howard in the NBA playoffs last season alongside Kobe Bryant.

It would've looked a lot like this.



no, Kevin


you're not gonna see Kobe playing half as53d defense in the playoffs...Harden is a bum
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Re: Dwight Coward Discussion

Postby jlkr on Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:51 pm

Lose, D12, lose!

My take this year since the Lakers are out has been anybody but Houston...

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