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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Doc Brown on Sun May 05, 2013 3:41 pm

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Carmelo Anthony has shot a brutal 35 of 110 in the last four games. That's almost 19 missed shots per contest.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby escobar8 on Sun May 05, 2013 3:43 pm

whats with Novak...i noticed he played very litle in first round...is he injured or in the dog house...???
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby escobar8 on Sun May 05, 2013 3:52 pm

keyindabox wrote:
escobar8 wrote:by by ny...melo is just a loser...no team will win with him...
he is laughing at bench while his team is down 10p at their home...pathetic...


He was laughing at a call made because if you read what finwe just said, it was horribly officiated game. Let me put it this way.....if it was the Lakers instead of the Knicks, you would understand.

Finwë wrote:Knicks just can't win with shooting nights like this one from both Anthony and Smith.
Hibbert's presence is a problem, they need to figure out a way to be more effective on PnRs (floaters work VERY well against Hibbert. Too bad Melo doesn't like them apparently).

NY needs to get penetration, make the extra pass, and they need to hit open shots. Indiana will not give many easy opportunities, so you must capitalize on the ones you get.
NY's defense also needs adjustments.

Oh, and another terribly officiated game, adding to one of the worst officiated seasons I've watched. Great job NBA.


This. I'm honestly a little surprised at the posts in this tread. A lot of the shots Melo took were in the paint but couldn't get the foul, its an adjustment he's going to have to make against the big guys. It's a complete turnaround from the Celtics just two days ago. Just look at the rebounding numbers, and then look at Melo's rebounds....he's going hard at work on both sides. It's SO easy to trash Melo, but as a fan, I'm fine. He's taking shots that he made often during the season. Just aren't going in right now. Now in terms of JR....he needs to drive more and stop chucking. He started driving towards the end, but it was too little too late.

We are still very much in this series, and expect it to go long. This was the first time these guys played with a day of preparation.


In that case it might fly, i didnt pay to much attention on it and i even muted the sound...but still you will never see kobe laughing while losing, that why it shows me lack of leadership...its one thing to laugh and be goofy while you are winning, but when you are losing at home you cant do that...being mad or trying to motivate your teammates would be more apropriate...

and could some one explaine me, how can i quote just one part and not the whole text...thank you...
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby CGrand81 on Sun May 05, 2013 3:53 pm

escobar8 wrote:whats with Novak...i noticed he played very litle in first round...is he injured or in the dog house...???


He left Game 5 vs Boston with back spasms, I guess it is still bothering him. I'd expect him back sometime soon though.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun May 05, 2013 5:07 pm

Indiana got the calls today. I think with the game farts Indy had in the last series, the league was afraid of a four game series. It's typical ref-equalization tactic when they're afraid of a short series.

Ny can bounce back, and hopefully Amare joins them soon. He's a competitor, rusty or not.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Basketball Fan on Sun May 05, 2013 5:36 pm

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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Sun May 05, 2013 6:09 pm

Well the Pacers look like the real deal as for now.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 05, 2013 6:33 pm

Melo's lack of composure along with JR Smith's lack of basketball IQ and basic class will be the undoing of the Knicks. Melo is again starting to miss in the playoffs and just in years past he will start the smiling thing and focus on anyone but himself. He's a great regular season player but to have him as a team leader when you need someone to will your team through a tough time is way too much to ask of him.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon May 06, 2013 12:00 am

I see MDA shadow is still present in NY .... Melo and JR chucking will be the focus ( I find it ridiculous too) but NY is a bad defensive team ( they have been for 3/4 of the season) with poor principles on this end off the floor ... too many switches , helping one pass away ...

Giving up 102 pts to Indiana on 49% shooting is HORRIBLE ... Pacers are a bad offensive team
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon May 06, 2013 12:10 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Indiana got the calls today. I think with the game farts Indy had in the last series, the league was afraid of a four game series. It's typical ref-equalization tactic when they're afraid of a short series.

Ny can bounce back, and hopefully Amare joins them soon. He's a competitor, rusty or not.


Not sure if serious ... Knicks are far from being good enough to sweep the Pacers ...

As for the calls , 2 fouls on Hibbert were not called , not a dozen like Melo wanted ... some floaters or fakes may be more efficient than just throwing his body into Hibbert ... who does a very good job at going straight vertical most of the time ..
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon May 06, 2013 12:12 am

Man I just watched the highlights of that game.... It looks like Melo got beat up and the refs looked the other way.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon May 06, 2013 12:14 am

Man I just watched the highlights of that game.... It looks like Melo got beat up and the refs looked the other way.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby CGrand81 on Mon May 06, 2013 12:54 am

^^^

I bet they showed that but it was called stupidly both ways. Plenty of unwarranted offensive fouls were called on the Pacer bigs as they would try to post up the much smaller Knicks and they flopped to get a call. JR Smith was diving all over the place ala Fisher. Pacers were in the penalty at the 9 min mark in the 4th quarter. The refs were bad, but they were consistent which is really all you can ask.

Pacers taking back HCA was big, but they shouldn't be to content, they should sweep the Knicks if they play like they did in Game 1, problem with the Pacers is that they have 1 or 2 quarters when they forget what to do, saw it in the Atlanta series and the regular season.

Mike Woodson iso ball only works when Melo is having a great game.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Frank Dux on Mon May 06, 2013 1:25 am

Melo is putting on a chucking clinic. This ball stoppage has to be at a unprecedented level. The Knick fans are defending him too saying he has a bum shoulder. Yeah, his shoulder might be bad, but his IQ is incredibly bad, continuing to shoot his team out of games, rather than picking his spots, and playing within their offense. His ball hogging has taken away the Knicks bread and butter- Felton/Chandler pick and roll. The system that got the Knicks where they're at.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon May 06, 2013 1:37 am

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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Mon May 06, 2013 8:57 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:I see MDA shadow is still present in NY .... Melo and JR chucking will be the focus ( I find it ridiculous too) but NY is a bad defensive team ( they have been for 3/4 of the season) with poor principles on this end off the floor ... too many switches , helping one pass away ...

Giving up 102 pts to Indiana on 49% shooting is HORRIBLE ... Pacers are a bad offensive team


I'm sorry, but how many games did you watch during the regular season? This post is extremely inaccurate in terms of the defense, the defense has actually been the thing to win us MANY games this season, especially the around 15 games when Melo was out. The only thing I will agree with you is that there is too much switching.

In terms of Melo, a lot of the shots he took yesterday were in the paint. We Knicks fans are OK with that. He normally gets foul calls down there, and I expect after yesterday for him to start getting the calls. He wasn't chucking shots, in fact very few shots came on isolation plays. JR also had a tough game, but he actually go to the FT line a lot, which is key for him. If he can carry that mentality over into the next game then it will be big for us.

It may seem like I'm just trying to defend my guys, specifically Melo, but I honestly think that he has been getting unwarranted criticism. Has he been ice cold? Sure. But he's been playing hard nonetheless. The effort is there, and you see it in his mannerisms on the court how much he is trying and cares. The few times he got calls yesterday he emphatically yelled and gestured in frustration. He's doing what he can, he's not being same old "It's all me" Melo. I mean, he had 11 rebounds, Tyson Chandler had 3. Why isn't that mentioned? It's more than just Melo, and the fact that the Knicks got beat by 14 rebounds is even more telling to that previous stat. It's easy for the main guy to get killeld, but like I have always said, it's a team game, and a lot of other guys have to step up besides Melo and JR.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon May 06, 2013 9:21 am

^^^^ probably around 30 games ...

Every team's D wins games here and there , it doesn't mean the D is good enough on a consistent basis ... it didn't pass the "eyes test" for me ... statically Knicks finished the regular season ranked as the 18th defense in the league ... that's not good D by any stretch of imagination ...

I still maintain that NY played very poor D in Game 1 against the Pacers who are a bad offensive team
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Mon May 06, 2013 9:27 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:^^^^ probably around 30 games ...

Every team's D wins games here and there , it doesn't mean the D is good enough on a consistent basis ... it didn't pass the "eyes test" for me ... statically Knicks finished the regular season ranked as the 18th defense in the league ... that's not good D by any stretch of imagination ...

I still maintain that NY played very poor D in Game 1 against the Pacers who are a bad offensive team


Fair enough. Yes, they did have a bad defensive performance in Game 1. As weird as it sounds, I think that's part of the reason of why I am still optimistic about this series. Even with Melo struggling and JR sub-par, we scored 95 points. That should almost always be enough to beat the Pacers, especially in the playoffs where scoring is suppose to go down. So I think if the right adjustments are made, and we get a little more scoring, it's all good. However, tomorrow's game is a must-win, no doubt about it.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby ramsay13 on Mon May 06, 2013 9:04 pm

Let's go Pacers, i hate NY!!!!!
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Finwë on Mon May 06, 2013 10:38 pm

Melo and JR need to look at how LeBron and Wade were able to destroy Hibbert and the Pacers in simple PnR last year..
Hibbert doesn't like to come out high on PnR, so you've got the option to shoot a mid-range J (not the best idea if you're cold like Melo's been), or better, shoot a little floater - close range runner/pull-up, between the FT line and the restricted area. That area is WIDE open, Hibbert isn't coming out fast enough or hard enough.
You make enough of those (they are relatively easy shots, though Melo and JR don't take many of those for some reason) and you force Hibbert to come out. THEN you drive to the rim, with Hibbert on the move coming out, easier to get by him, negates his size. THEN you force help to come, and that's when you kick it out to shooters.
But it all starts with not settling for: ---ISOs after PnR. Much better to attack fast instead. ---3s or long mid-range Js ---Just driving into Hibbert and hoping for the foul.
Seriously, quick shots in the area between the foul line and the restricted area is the best way I can think of to attack Hibbert, and it will open things up for everyone. That's what LBJ and Wade did, and it worked out great. Never seen LeBron hit so many floaters, I didn't know he had them.. With Melo's touch, I don't see why he can't be deadly with those runners/floaters/pull-ups
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Tue May 07, 2013 8:08 am

Finwë wrote:Melo and JR need to look at how LeBron and Wade were able to destroy Hibbert and the Pacers in simple PnR last year..
Hibbert doesn't like to come out high on PnR, so you've got the option to shoot a mid-range J (not the best idea if you're cold like Melo's been), or better, shoot a little floater - close range runner/pull-up, between the FT line and the restricted area. That area is WIDE open, Hibbert isn't coming out fast enough or hard enough.
You make enough of those (they are relatively easy shots, though Melo and JR don't take many of those for some reason) and you force Hibbert to come out. THEN you drive to the rim, with Hibbert on the move coming out, easier to get by him, negates his size. THEN you force help to come, and that's when you kick it out to shooters.
But it all starts with not settling for: ---ISOs after PnR. Much better to attack fast instead. ---3s or long mid-range Js ---Just driving into Hibbert and hoping for the foul.
Seriously, quick shots in the area between the foul line and the restricted area is the best way I can think of to attack Hibbert, and it will open things up for everyone. That's what LBJ and Wade did, and it worked out great. Never seen LeBron hit so many floaters, I didn't know he had them.. With Melo's touch, I don't see why he can't be deadly with those runners/floaters/pull-ups


GREAT post. All Game 1 Felton was taking advantage of that space between where Hibbert likes to operate on D and the top of the key. Floaters and PNR all day. Melo and JR need to find that spot.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby CGrand81 on Tue May 07, 2013 5:12 pm

I love me some Felton, dudes a baller and needs to be more aggressive, he is the only Knick who is consistent.

Great close out to the 2nd quarter by the Pacers, I've only seen from the 8 min mark of the 2nd and on, but looking at the box scores 12 TO's is way too may for IND.

This is a must win for New York, look for them to continue their strong play in the 2nd, they are playing well.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Tue May 07, 2013 6:31 pm

I'll take a 26 point win! Carmelo was back in his regular season form with a 32 point, 50% from the field performance along with 9 rebounds and 22 points in the second half. Game ball goes to Pablo Prigioni, who's presence on the court cannot be understated. Biggest thing for me was the defense. Even when the offense was hard to come by, the Knicks kept working hard on the defensive end, forcing difficult shots and turnovers. Now a big rest until Saturday for Game 3, which I think is key for us winning this series.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:05 am

I'm in awe at the shooting drought the Pacers went through in the second half :man10: How disappointing to see them fade and have no answer like that. But New York turned it on and Carmelo stepped up when he needed to.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Finwë on Wed May 08, 2013 9:43 am

Prigioni is the man. He's from my country and I've always admired his ability to conduct a team and make things happen, even if he's not the most talented guy on the floor. Great bball IQ.
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