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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby CGrand81 on Wed May 08, 2013 7:29 pm

Jazzygirl205 wrote:I'm in awe at the shooting drought the Pacers went through in the second half :man10: How disappointing to see them fade and have no answer like that. But New York turned it on and Carmelo stepped up when he needed to.


Yea New York played like it was a must win, shocked me too. Indiana needs to stop these 1Q/half's where they completely disappear. We'll see what they can do at home where they generally are very good.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Sat May 11, 2013 8:14 am

JR Smith with a 102 degree fever and questionable for tonight.....

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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Rooscooter on Sat May 11, 2013 6:22 pm

^^ :man10:
Ugly offensive game at half..... Indiana seems to be dictating the game so far.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby tobekobe on Sat May 11, 2013 7:38 pm

Who wins this doesn't matter though since Miami is a lock to the Finals barring injuries
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Sat May 11, 2013 8:06 pm

What a pathetic game...I mean granted Indiana's D was fantastic but we got DESTROYED on the boards and there were no-shows all over the board. Disappointing, but Game 4 will be very different, I hope so at least....
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Sat May 11, 2013 8:20 pm

Unfortunately from what I see I don't think these two teams can beat Miami in a 7 game series like I hope and expect.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Snake Eyes on Sat May 11, 2013 8:22 pm

Indiana seemed to be much more effective from the perimeter than their statline showed (10-33). They seemed like they were hitting everything. Well, George Hill was anyway.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby gcclaker on Sat May 11, 2013 8:25 pm

...yawn. I wake up to check to box and see the result. What the...? If there is an organization I would want to take it other than the P&G, it would be the Knicks. I mean 40 years and counting...

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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Sat May 11, 2013 8:40 pm

Jazzygirl205 wrote:Unfortunately from what I see I don't think these two teams can beat Miami in a 7 game series like I hope and expect.


You know what, I was thinking about the Heat during this game and really don't know if we have a chance. I mean I think it can be competitive, but we've hit an offensive slump in general. JR needs to wake the hell up. The problem is that the second unit needs THAT scorer to be affective. If JR can't step up, or STAT can't get it going, which honestly, I don't expect because he's just getting his feet underneath him, we're in trouble. The other guys feed off that go to guy off the bench. I'm not panicing, but we've just struggled too long on offense for my liking.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby lakerfansd on Sat May 11, 2013 9:58 pm

Melo needs more help on offense. What the heck happened to Felton? At least Smith was playing sick so he gets a pass.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Sat May 11, 2013 10:03 pm

lakerfansd wrote:Melo needs more help on offense. What the heck happened to Felton? At least Smith was playing sick so he gets a pass.


Yeah he def needs help...IDK what was Felton's deal. He just never got his offensive game going. That was a huge downfall for us. And the key stat is Melo only took 16 shots. In a game where everyone was struggling, I expected him to shoot more and try to take over, but he tried to trust the team and nothing happened. Game 4 needs to be very different, and I just hate that we have to wait until Tuesday.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun May 12, 2013 2:00 am

It's really hard for me to feel like watching a Game in which the Pacers are involved ...

I enjoy watching the others best D out there like Chicago and Grizz but Indiana O is just too ugly ...

David West is the only player I appreciate ... George is an all around guy but man he's a building construction worker out there .

Glad I didn't watch Game 3
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Sun May 12, 2013 8:55 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:It's really hard for me to feel like watching a Game in which the Pacers are involved ...

I enjoy watching the others best D out there like Chicago and Grizz but Indiana O is just too ugly ...

David West is the only player I appreciate ... George is an all around guy but man he's a building construction worker out there .

Glad I didn't watch Game 3


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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Basketball Fan on Sun May 12, 2013 9:44 am

Pacers :jam2:


Of course their offensive woes do worry me.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun May 12, 2013 8:00 pm

The Pacers are young, so they have inconsistent play. I really hate that the commentators rag on Indiana when they drop a game, when it's obviously being inexperienced in the playoffs that does it more than anything else. Give them another year or two, and they'll beat the declining Heat. Champions aren't created overnight.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Tue May 14, 2013 6:37 pm

Pathetic. Mike Woodson gave this game away. 3 MINUTES, I repeat, 3 MINUTES for Prigioni. Too much JR, barely any Copeland or Novak when offense was in dire need......unbelievable. I wish I didn't care this much about sports.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Tobias Funke on Tue May 14, 2013 7:05 pm

I havent watched as much of this series as alot of you guys, but from what Ive watched, outside a couple of runs by NY, the Pacers have looked like the better team.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Weezy on Tue May 14, 2013 7:15 pm

Man, I genuinely thought the Knicks had a shot at the Finals, but I guess jump-shooting teams don't get that far. Melo really is looking like a second tier star when it comes time to win big games. Miami is going to have the easiest road to the Finals ever no matter what, even easier than the Cavs in 2007 because there is no 2007 Detroit Pistons like team out there.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 14, 2013 7:16 pm

Jump shooting teams all seem to meet the same fate in the playoffs..... It works in the regular season but as the pace slows down and the shots are more and more contested because of game planning for a single opponent.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby therealdeal on Wed May 15, 2013 10:11 am

Except for Dallas in 2011 and arguably the Heat in 2012.

Those two are/were jump shooting teams that were successful. Heck you could even argue that Orlando in 2009 was a jump shooting team centered around Dwight Howard.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Weezy on Wed May 15, 2013 11:11 am

Dallas, yeah, for the most part, but the Heat have guys that can get to the rim, good defenders and solid role players, makes up for being a mostly perimeter player team. The Magic yeah, but they lost to us in big part because we owned them inside. I thought the Knicks would go far because they played good D all season, and they had added a vet with championship experience like Kidd to go with Chandler from last season and it seemed to work out really well for them this regular season. The Pacers are just bigger and tougher though, Knicks are being exposed.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby thkthebest on Wed May 15, 2013 11:50 am

Knicks played below average defense for the entire season. I don't know understand why people think otherwise. I'm guessing it's because D'Antoni is no longer the coach, but their defense still sucked (worse than last season).

Carmelo averages 51.2 TS% for the postseason and below 50% this postseason. I'd say that's one big reason why the Knicks are sucking.

Knicks regular season = bad defense + bad offensive rebounding + insane number of 3s in the regular season
Pacers regular season = best defense + elite offensive rebounding + best 3Pt defense

Interesting stat on jumpers.

Knicks (12-13): 73% are jumpers

Past champions
Heat (11-12): 66% jumpers
Mavs (10-11): 75% jumpers
Lakers (09-10): 64% jumpers
Lakers (08-09): 63% jumpers
Celtics (07-08): 66% jumpers
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby Weezy on Wed May 15, 2013 12:11 pm

I guess I keep thinking back on how well they started the season and how people were talking about how they were playing good defense and it was surprising. They started the season off incredibly well, then had a mediocre stretch in the middle when Amare was back and Melo was dealing with injuries, then they finished strong. Just from what I saw of them early on and when they were winning, their defense looked better.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby CGrand81 on Wed May 15, 2013 1:30 pm

Nice to see IND with the 3-1 lead, they'll put this one away in Game 5 but knowing them they'll have a 3 point quarter :bang: , the Knicks are the Knicks, I was honestly surprised to see them beat the dieing Celtics. Melo continuing his career playoff resume I see, solid and efficient 39% from the field.

Cannot truly blame him, it is not like his teammates outside of Felton creates shots, but Melo needs to change his play style, but after 10 seasons I guess he is what he is, a bigger glorified Allen Iverson IMO, the only difference is AI created more opportunities. AI also had a poor shot selection and was not efficient, but he drived and dished and came through in clutch situations.

I am from NY, I love and respect NY fans because unlike other big market teams, they stick through the tough times. It is a shame they will still have Mike Woodson as their head coach and Melo as their "star" because they won't make a post-season run with title hopes with those two there.
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Re: East 2nd round: (2) New York Knicks vs (3) Indiana Pacers

Postby keyindabox on Wed May 15, 2013 1:44 pm

thkthebest wrote:Knicks played below average defense for the entire season. I don't know understand why people think otherwise. I'm guessing it's because D'Antoni is no longer the coach, but their defense still sucked (worse than last season).

Carmelo averages 51.2 TS% for the postseason and below 50% this postseason. I'd say that's one big reason why the Knicks are sucking.

Knicks regular season = bad defense + bad offensive rebounding + insane number of 3s in the regular season
Pacers regular season = best defense + elite offensive rebounding + best 3Pt defense

Interesting stat on jumpers.

Knicks (12-13): 73% are jumpers

Past champions
Heat (11-12): 66% jumpers
Mavs (10-11): 75% jumpers
Lakers (09-10): 64% jumpers
Lakers (08-09): 63% jumpers
Celtics (07-08): 66% jumpers


Defense worse than last season? No way. I agree with your and mostly everyone else's analysis about jump-shooting teams. But, their defense has NOT been the problem this series. It's rebounding and just missing shots, period. Pacers haven't done their damage on offense, its on the boards and their ability to take away perimeter shots. I will admit defense has been inconsistent at times this series, but the killer has been the offense, point blank. When your 6th man of the year disappears, backup PG hasn't made a shot all game, and coach refuses to put scorers such as Copeland in, it's a recipe for mediocrity.

And while Melo is obviously getting plenty of blame, he shouldn't. Yeah, maybe he should be playing better, but everyone else asides from Felton and occasionally Shumpert has disappeared and left him high and dry. People talk assist numbers, well you can't get assists when guys miss the shots.

With that being said, if they can win this next game, and do so with someone else besides just Melo or Felton scoring, they have a chance. But that's a BIG if.
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