"Fire Chaney"

"Fire Chaney"

Postby rydjorker121 on Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:53 pm

NEW YORK (AP) -- Chants of "Fire Chaney" echoed through Madison Square Garden on a night that was supposed to be all about Stephon Marbury's home debut and Jeff Van Gundy's return.

In a game that turned into a blowout just moments after the opening tip, Van Gundy's Houston Rockets scored 23 of the game's first 25 points to humiliate the revamped New York Knicks 111-79 Thursday night.

"Awful, awful," Chaney said. "We played like strangers at both ends of the floor."

The buzz that filled the building turned into boos in a matter of minutes as Chaney's team came out flat. The first "Fire Chaney" chant began with 6:49 remaining in the first quarter after the Knicks fell behind 19-2, and the chant was revived and got louder several times.

"I didn't hear it. I heard a chant, but I didn't know what they were saying. I found out later," Chaney said. "It's a good chant. We stunk."
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Postby FabFourLakers on Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:52 pm

hahaha yea hat was hilarious...tha commentators took a while to finally figure it out tho...i was waitin for them to pick up on it...

i dont know what thomas is waitin for...he shoudl fire chaney and take over himself...he needs to trade van horn and houston...bloow this team up completely and start from scratch...cuz VAN HORN and HOUSTON will NOT get it done, and marbury and van horn didnt work out in new jersey...stop wasting ur time thomas!
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Postby BDG on Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:16 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:he needs to trade van horn and houston...bloow this team up completely and start from scratch...cuz VAN HORN and HOUSTON will NOT get it done, and marbury and van horn didnt work out in new jersey...stop wasting ur time thomas!
I totally agree-- they both are overrated, especially Van Horn. He's too soft and can't play defense.

Maybe this would be a good time to bring up those Artest trade talks... I'm sure NY would love another hard-nosed player to go along with Kurt Thomas.
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Postby shaqpak34 on Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:42 pm

ya houstons gotta go, hes overpaid and hes an old shooter


they need to get a pretty good big man, i mean they cant depend on dikembe nd kurt thomas
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Postby JSM on Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:08 am

I was watching ESPN, and Steven A. Smith said that Thomas was upset with how Chaney coached last night's game, and he left the arena without talking to anyone (very un-Thomas). Smith said that a couple of sources told him Chaney could be gone before Monday.
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Postby JSM on Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:35 am

Houston's game is going down hill, he is getting older, but he is still a good player who can shoot; so he should still have some trade value.

Van Horn won't play well with Marbury, Thomas knows they didn't get along in NJ, and I think he knows it won't be any different in NY.

Here is what I suggest:

They trade Van Horn, Anderson, and Harrington to Portland for Rasheed, Woods, and Patterson.

Here's why it would work: Portland wants a cleaner cut image on their team and those 3 have a pretty clean history. The Blazers want to let Randolph be their main guy, and that won't be able to happen as long as Rasheed is there. They also have been looking to get rid of Patterson, because they don't want his contract. And they want to send Woods somewhere, because they think he is a bad influence on Zach. And the trade work financially.
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They trade Houston, Williams, and Doleac to Cleveland for Miles and Illgauskas.

Why it would work: Silas wants Miles gone. NY needs to get rid of Houston while they still can and Williams is getting a lot of interest from other teams, including Cleveland. And it works financially.

This helps out NY, they start fresh and add more depth. Here is what their team would look like:

Illgauskas/Deke
Rasheed/Thomas
Miles/Woods
Penny/Patterson
Marbury/Norris
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Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:16 pm

tha only reason why tha second trade u suggested WOULDNT work JSM is cuz Cleveland doesnt want a 2 guard playing alongside LEBRON...acutally we dont kno cuz houston is a class player and he might fit in with lebron's penetrating abilities...

but yea i like tha first trade ALOT...Portland would get a PRETTY DECENT deal...i mean van horn can start at SF for them, and have Randolph at tha 4, Davis at 5, and have either SToudemire and DA, stoudemire and mcinnis, mcinnis and DA, stoudemire and SA, or mcinnis and SA...and alternate them too...and not to mention harrington would make a good back up PF...

Getting Rasheed Wallace and Marbury on tha same team in tha EAST is SCARY enuff...but did anyone ever think of Houston and Williams to tha HAWKS for SHAREEF and maybe Glover or Jackson?
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Postby JSM on Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:24 pm

yeah, a reason I thought the Houston one would be good for the Cavs, is he is a good guy that doesn't get into much trouble, he would be a good role model and person to have around Lebron. And Houston is getting older, so he soon will be more of a role player, than key player, so he could be a big clutch performer for the Cavs, and he would get plenty of open shots with Lebron court vision and (as you said) penetrating ability. Williams would give them a good backup pg.
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Postby JSM on Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:26 pm

as for the Hawks idea, this could work:

Atlanta trades: SF Stephen Jackson (13.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.5 apg in 33.5 minutes)
PF Chris Crawford (2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.3 minutes)
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (19.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 36.1 minutes)
Atlanta receives: PG Frank Williams (4.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.4 apg in 13.8 minutes)
C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
SG Allan Houston (19.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.5 ppg, -7.9 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

New York trades: PG Frank Williams (4.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.4 apg in 13.8 minutes)
C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
SG Allan Houston (19.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.6 minutes)
New York receives: SF Stephen Jackson (13.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.5 apg in 34 games)
PF Chris Crawford (2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 15 games)
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (19.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 36 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.5 ppg, +7.9 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

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Postby JSM on Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:07 pm

looks like Thomas might have to forget about his Rasheed dream, since the Mavs very well might end up with him. He should go after Artest and Miles, before it's too late.
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Postby JSM on Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:11 pm

It also sounds like Thomas may be considering Mike Fratello as Chaney's replacement

NY Daily News: Thomas is said to be making a list of potential outside candidates, including Mike Fratello and Doug Collins. On Thursday, Thomas had a long conversation with Fratello, who was in town to broadcast the game for TNT. Pat Riley, Chuck Daly and Doc Rivers are, for various reasons, longshot possibilities.

Of course, the most logical choice would be Thomas himself. He coached the Indiana Pacers for three seasons before being fired by Larry Bird. Thomas enjoys coaching and is confident enough in his abilities to hold both jobs.
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Postby rydjorker121 on Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:31 pm

jsm0331 wrote:It also sounds like Thomas may be considering Mike Fratello as Chaney's replacement

NY Daily News: Thomas is said to be making a list of potential outside candidates, including Mike Fratello and Doug Collins. On Thursday, Thomas had a long conversation with Fratello, who was in town to broadcast the game for TNT. Pat Riley, Chuck Daly and Doc Rivers are, for various reasons, longshot possibilities.

Of course, the most logical choice would be Thomas himself. He coached the Indiana Pacers for three seasons before being fired by Larry Bird. Thomas enjoys coaching and is confident enough in his abilities to hold both jobs.


or it seems like even himself...but the point is, at this stage of time, remember that awful loss to Houston by like what...35, 38 points? It's way too evident that Chaney should be given the boot, he's gone haywire and can't even handle his team...Stephon Marbury is way too good of a floor general to be like that, unless he and Penny Hardaway are just starting to get adjusted to the surroundings...but Chaney seems a little unfocuses nonetheless and it would be great if Isiah, just like Riles at one time, could hold both the president and the coaching position...if he feels his players aren't working hard enough, he can either coach them to their fullest...or......trade them.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:33 am

what im thinkin is "what is he waiting for?"...yea they beat tha bucks at home but not by a lot they lost a big lead and nearly lost tha game....chaney wont get it done for this team...
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:08 pm

maybe he's trying to decide on a new coach
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:52 pm

jsm0331 wrote:maybe he's trying to decide on a new coach


he better decide quickly...tha knicks need to win as many home games as they can get...i believe they are in tha midst of a 5 game home stand(1-1 so far)...they need to win these next 3 games at home...if they dont chaney is as good as gone
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:01 pm

rumors have it their next move, is to get rid of Chaney

Then he has another "blockbuster" trade he would like to get done (probably involving Wallace or Artest).

He offered Norris for Miles, but the Cavs turned him down, but they said if the Knicks offered them Williams they would accept the trade...if that's the case then he needs to act on this trade now
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:08 pm

jsm0331 wrote:rumors have it their next move, is to get rid of Chaney

Then he has another "blockbuster" trade he would like to get done (probably involving Wallace or Artest).

He offered Norris for Miles, but the Cavs turned him down, but they said if the Knicks offered them Williams they would accept the trade...if that's the case then he needs to act on this trade now


yea but what exactly will miles do for tha knicks? unless they are gettin rid of van horn then miles cant do much for tha knicks comin off tha bench...
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:11 pm

he can bring some excitement (for when he does try and compete), and would make a strong 2nd unit-Penny, Anderson, Norris, and Miles
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Postby lakerfanimal on Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:50 pm

this will never happen but it could, this is weird but in my nba live im doin a dynasty wit em, and i traded for sheed, kirilenko, and artest, but then that wud take some major blockbuster trades, but it cud be done
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:14 pm

Here is what Insider says about the possibility of the Knicks pulling off another trade:
Insider:Will the Knicks pull off another blockbuster? As I just wrote above, the feeling on Wednesday was that Thomas was looking to make one major trade. Both scenarios (Portland and Cleveland) are still just rumors in my mind. But they're interesting and more plausible than they first appeared on paper.

Upon taking over the Knicks, Thomas set out to get two marquee players -- Marbury and Wallace. Thomas used up most of his trade bait to get Marbury, leading many to believe that Wallace was unattainable. Given the latest talk, that may be misguided. While Blazers GM John Nash has been adamant in the past about not taking back long-term deals for Wallace, a trade with the Knicks may make some sense for Portland if the Knicks are willing to take back Ruben Patterson as part of the trade.

If the Knicks sent Van Horn, Williams, Sweetney, Doleac and Mutombo to Portland for Wallace and Patterson, the Blazers' cap number would rise from a projected $42 million next year to around $55 million. That's a pretty big increase to swallow, but if they can last 1 more year while they wait for Davis and Stoudamire to come off the books, the number gets much more palatable.

Right now the Blazers have only $18.3 million in committed salaries for the 05-06 season. That number would go to $27.6, still far enough under the cap to make a big free-agent signing and re-sign Zach Randolph. In 06-07, their number would actually go down from a projected $18.5 million to $11.5 million because Van Horn comes off the books before Patterson.

The bottom line for the Blazers is that, at $42 million, they won't have enough cash to get a marquee free agent to replace Wallace anyway. Why not take on a good small forward (whose talents are better suited to the West Coast style anyway) and a bright young pg, clean up the image of the team by dumping Wallace and Patterson without sacrificing wins (Van Horn, Williams, Sweetney and Mutombo should at least be able to duplicate the wins Wallace and Patterson are giving the team), and still have enough cap room in 05 to start reloading the team?

For the Knicks, the addition of Wallace, a superstar talent with a NDBL head, would be another major coup. Thomas believes he can get through to Wallace, and combined with Marbury, Houston and Kurt Thomas, the Knicks would have enough talent to compete with any team in the East.
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The other scenario with Cleveland (Van Horn, Williams and Sweetney for Ilgauskas and Miles) makes plenty of sense for the Cavs, though you wonder if Thomas would just be better off swapping Williams and Harrington for Miles (sources claim the Thomas turned that deal down on Tuesday). Ilgauskas, paired with Mutombo, would give the Knicks their best low-post scoring option since Ewing. Concerns about Ilgauskas' feet, poor defense and lumbering approach are issues. But the ability to platoon Ilgauskas, Mutombo and Thomas should give Don Chaney one of the better front lines in the league. Thomas has also been a fan of Miles for a while. He gives them that long, athletic presence at forward that Thomas has been craving.

Why would the Cavs do it? They're into surrounding LeBron James with the "right" players and this trade makes some sense. Van Horn's ability to play multiple positions and to stretch the defense are an asset, as is his unselfish style of play. He has just 1 year more on his contract than Ilgauskas, and given the Cavs' current cap projections, shouldn't hinder what they're trying to do.

Williams would immediately be the best full-time pg on the team's roster, and Sweetney gives the Cavs more muscle in the paint. Cap wise, the Cavs would actually shave about $2 million off the cap for this season. Next year, the presence of Van Horn, Sweetney and Williams would add around $3 million to the cap assuming the team lets Miles go without compensation. In 05-06, the Cavs would still be looking at roughly $10 million in cap room, even with Van Horn on board. The deal doesn't quite work as well as the Portland one, but it's still in the realm of possibility.
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Postby JSM on Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:26 pm

Thomas says he has no interest in coaching the Knicks
Yahoo Sports: Isiah Thomas all but ruled out taking over as coach of the New York Knicks this season, saying Monday it would be "impossible'' for him to be both team president and head coach.

"The responsibility that I have here, president of the Knicks, we're in a state where I think it would be impossible for me to do both jobs and do them well,'' Thomas said. "Again, we're trying to get healthy and we're trying to dig ourselves out of a big hole. I don't think I would do this organization justice if I did both jobs.''

Despite that statement, Thomas would not give assurances that Don Chaney will remain the coach for the rest of the season.

"I would never say that about anybody,'' Thomas said. "This is sports. Those types of broad statements are just not realistic in the sporting world we live in.''

Reporters saw Thomas working with Marbury and other players at the team's shootaround Monday morning, the first time Thomas was seen giving instruction to players. Thomas said he told Chaney of his tutoring plans beforehand.

"It's about passing on knowledge, it's about helping the players,'' Thomas said. "I just some things I saw that I wanted to point out, just passing on stuff you want to give to people on your team.''


Looks like the Knicks got a president and a player specialist all in one. I think Marbury will do a lot better, because of the advice Thomas will give him. And we know Marbury will listen to him, since he idolizes him.
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Postby JSM on Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:34 pm

the Fire Chaney chant broke out again tonight

They got to do something before fans start throwing things at him
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Postby JSM on Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:38 pm

If you saw highlights of tonight's game, then you saw Thomas and Cuban spending some time chatting (could if have possibly been about a trade?). Barkley suggested a Kurt Thomas for Jamison or Walker. That gave me an idea, what about this trade:

New York trades: C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.2 minutes)
SF Keith Van Horn (16.6 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.5 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -12.9 ppg, -9.9 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 37 games)
SF Keith Van Horn (16.6 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32 games)
Change in team outlook: +12.9 ppg, +9.9 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

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Postby JSM on Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:04 pm

Chaney might end up leaving if he doesn't get fired, because he said the chants are bothering him
Sportsline: Don Chaney's tenuous employment status has created "horrible working conditions" for the Knicks coach, who got to run practice by himself Tuesday as team president Isiah Thomas made two talk-show appearances.

"Horrible working conditions, definitely, but nothing's perfect and you have to deal with it," said Chaney, the target of another "Fire Chaney" chant at Madison Square Garden on Monday night in an overtime loss to the Dallas Mavericks.

Chaney said it was the first time in his career -- as a player or a coach -- he's been the object of fans' disdain.

"It's like a dagger. It hurt. It was deep," Chaney said.

A coaching change seems inevitable, especially after Thomas donned a sweat suit Monday to instruct players at the morning shootaround. Thomas later refused to provide any public assurances to Chaney.

"If he wants to give me an answer, that's up to him. I have a job to do, I'm under contract and I do my job," Chaney said.

Chaney said the "Fire Chaney" chant was most affecting his wife of 37 years, Jackie, but it bothered him, too.

"I'm human. You take it home," Chaney said. "She's not used to hearing that. She's only heard cheering when I've been in sports, so it's new to her and it's new to me."

Chaney said he would continue to focus on the details of his job and would not seek out Thomas to discuss his status. But it's clear that the current situation is affecting him.

"It's a lot of pressure, the doubt part of it, the waiting. But I'm not a quitter. I've never quit anything in my entire life," Chaney said. "I don't ever want my players to think I'm at a point where I'd go in and say 'Do something.' I'm going to hang in there."
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Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:33 pm

somethins gonna happen in new york....somethings GOTAT happen
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