Fish To The Spurs?

Fish To The Spurs?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:52 am

Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

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OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- A long, taxing year is coming to a familiar finish for Oklahoma City Thunder guard Derek Fisher.

It all started with him being front and center during the NBA lockout as the president of the players' union. It grew more complicated when the Los Angeles Lakers traded him away after he'd won five championships with the franchise.

Fisher signed on with Oklahoma City, and he's three wins away from achieving his ultimate goal of winning a sixth title. Only 13 players in NBA history have been a part of that many championship teams.

"What it would mean to win a championship means enough by itself without adding what has happened before now," Fisher said. "I think for this particular team and group of guys, this particular organization, there's a lot of meaning that would come from us finding a way to win three more games. So, that's primarily my focus right now. And then for me personally, there are a number of things I just won't choose to reflect on or look into until after this is long done and I can step away from things for a minute."

Fisher was heavily involved in the league's labor dispute, engaging in the conference room discussions that eventually were able to save a season that was in peril. His season took an unsettling turn when the Lakers unexpectedly traded him to Houston and he decided not to go.

Instead, he looked around to identify teams he thought gave him the best chance to win a title and he settled with the Thunder.

Even then, the turbulence wasn't over. The leadership of the NBA Players Association asked for Fisher to resign as president in April, and he refused while questioning the union's business practices under executive director Billy Hunter.

That dispute still looms as Fisher and the Thunder prepare to play Game 3 of the NBA Finals on Sunday night in Miami, with the series tied 1-1. Fisher doesn't expect any resolution until later this summer and he has done his best to keep his sights on the playoffs.

"All in all, for me, these are good problems to have. When you think about how tough it is for people every day, this is not hard at all to be able to try to figure out a way to be able to focus on playing basketball," Fisher said. "I'm healthy. My family's healthy. So, at the end of the day, if these are the things that I have to deal with to be called tough days, I'll take it."

While Fisher wasn't pleased with how the Lakers handled shipping him out, he made the best of the situation by joining the Thunder - who would eventually eliminate L.A. in the second round of the playoffs. Fisher spent all but three of his first 15 years in the league with the Lakers, winning a handful of championships.

Of the players to win at least six championships, nine - including all-time leaders Bill Russell (11) and Sam Jones (10) - played with the Celtics during their dynasty in the 1950s and `60s. The others are former Fisher teammate Robert Horry (7), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6), Michael Jordan (6) and Scottie Pippen (6).

"This is his eighth NBA Finals in 16 years. As a player you wish you can get there once," Thunder coach Scott Brooks said.

"A lot of players have never been there, and he has five championships."

Fisher said he considers Horry - who won titles with the Lakers, Spurs and Rockets - in a "stratosphere all alone." And he says he's not going to rub it in if he's able to win another title and surpass longtime teammate Kobe Bryant, who remains his friend.

"To me, it's kind of sacred ground," Fisher said. "I'm not going there. Some people will but not me."

Yet he still has something to prove.

Once he signed with Oklahoma City, he chose the jersey No. 37 - the same as his age - to highlight that his advancing years would not be a factor. Brooks says he's still making important contributions on and off the floor.

"I've never been around a player that communicates as well as he does with his teammates, never have. The guy has an incredible knack for saying the right things at the right times," he said. "He's helping this team win this year, and he's going to help this team win many years with all the things that they've took from him this past two or three months."

Whether Fisher will remain with Oklahoma City remains to be seen.

"I'm for sure enjoying my time here. I know for sure that I want to play beyond this year but from there, I haven't put a lot of pressure on myself about thinking about where that is and how that's going to happen," Fisher said. "Next year is so far away until we figure out a way to win that trophy. Once you win it, of course, the first question out of somebody here will be, `Can you guys do it again? And what's going to happen?' That part comes after the job is done and right now we still have a big job ahead of us to try to figure out how to win three more games."


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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:37 pm

Fish still has something left in the tank (no pun intended), especially when he plays 15 - 20 min a game.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby strikemode14 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:42 pm

(sigh)

Fisher..is a smart good guy..

with that said....he can't play the game of basketball...he can't defend, he can't drive, he is a so-so ball handler, he can't pass that great and overall is useless for 40 out of the 48 mins a game.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby dmaul on Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:26 pm

^ Your assessment of Fisher is a bit harsh but for the most part accurate. It's kind of funny though how a guy like Fisher is able to stay in the league this long while someone like Allen Iverson is long gone and hasn't been able to find an employer for some time. I think they came in the league the same year.

This is a lesson for anyone working in corporate America. If you have a good attitude, show courtesy and respect to your co-workers and management, conduct yourself professionally and even if you're only mildly competent in your actual job duties, you can still eek out a career and stick around for a long time. Not to say that Fisher has been "mildly competent" his whole career, but he's still able to find employment past his expiration date.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby retro_nights on Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:45 pm

fisher is useless yet playing 15-20 minutes per game in the finals.

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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:51 am

"overall is useless for 40 out of the 48 mins"

^^^ "Useless" Well obviously the NBA coach of one of the 2 best teams in the league then is clueless with nowhere near your armchair skills. The Fish hate and disrespect on this forum from some is disgusting. And you know what the series isn't over yet. BTW have you missed Brooks' comments many times about just what Fisher means to that team? He does play him some times late into 4th quarter in these playoffs for a reason.

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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:20 am

Often he is in late rather than Sefalosa as well. The anti Fish sentiment....what the hell enjoyment do you guys get out of wanting so badly to be right on that? Yes we needed to move him, we all get that.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:28 am

Disagree that Fisher is useless. The guy isn't quick to stop the best gaurds in the league but he never was a quick or great defender. He still takes chargers as good as anyone in the game and he still works hard as hell on both ends of the floor. The main thing he does is bring the presence and leadership these young players need. Anyone think Ramon would of played better with Fisher helping him along? (No, I don't think we could have kept Fish once we got Ramon but that doesn't change the fact his insight might of helped the youngster greatly). His biggest asset is he has the "clutch" ability. In a game that matters the guy is one that no one wants to see taking a shot. 10- 15 minutes a game Fisher is going to help a team. As a starter he is done in my opinion. All the hate on him is excessive though.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby LakeShow85 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:09 am

Fish will always be the man. He is a Laker, no matter what and when he is done, his number needs to be retired along with, 24, 8, & 34.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:15 am

No chance Fish gets his jersey retired. Role players never do. Unless of course he gets into the HOF, then the Lakers may consider it.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby LakeShow85 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:21 am

therealdeal wrote:No chance Fish gets his jersey retired. Role players never do. Unless of course he gets into the HOF, then the Lakers may consider it.


Would you say he is HOF material? Do role players even get inducted?
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:29 am

LakeShow85 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:No chance Fish gets his jersey retired. Role players never do. Unless of course he gets into the HOF, then the Lakers may consider it.


Would you say he is HOF material? Do role players even get inducted?

It's extremely unlikely. Guys like Fisher and Horry have little chance of making it because while they were important to championship teams they were never among the top tier players.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby LakeShow85 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:33 am

Makes sense. Wish it could be changed because without role players teams wouldn't be great and Fisher and Horry are the best in this new era imo.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:28 am

I love Fish as a person. But I think the Finals are showing that he's done. You could always count on Derek for clutch play down the stretch and given his shortened minutes with the OKC I thought he would bring just that very thing. Instead he looks like a liability on both ends when he's playing. Not good.
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Re: Fish Plans To Play In 12-13, Unsure Of Future With Thunder

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:50 am

Fish looks about the same as last year and the year before. That moment in game 4 where he led the fastbreak and instead of passing to Durant who cut hard to the basket, he went straight in and had his shot attempt blocked, was CLASSIC FISH. Sometimes he does his best Robert Horry, and sometimes his best Smushy.

He needs to look for an assisstant coach position. He'd be great as a mentor for a young team, just like Shaw was in L.A.
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:37 pm

Fish To The Spurs?

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Wizards, Nuggets, Grizzlies, Bulls, and yes, Thunder, who still have a spot available in the backcourt after Derek Fisher's departure.

Both Redd and Fisher are unrestricted free agents, and while clearly past their primes, could still help a team looking for shooting and a veteran presence off the bench.

As for Fisher, it would not surprise me to see him end up with the Spurs.


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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:44 pm

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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby Juronimo on Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:21 pm

Fish as a Spur? :hurl:

He's still that dude though and what he did to the Spurs in the 2001 WCF with hitting something like 15/20 3's won't be forgotten.

Buy why the Spurs? :hurl:

Eh whatever. He's still a Laker through and through.
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby MadMax on Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:35 pm

just retire already, dude.
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:41 pm

Fisher needs to stop hanging on..... He's a sage that can a few minutes at a time but his days of being a solid contributor are behind him.....
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:47 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Fisher needs to stop hanging on..... He's a sage that can a few minutes at a time but his days of being a solid contributor are behind him.....


4th quarter, 2 minutes or less, Fisher takes off the warmups and goes in.......

Anything else and you're trying to play for the lottery.
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby JSM on Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:18 pm

Horry had some success there in his post-Lakers days in a reduced role, it could work for Fish too. With Parker and Mills ahead of him, he'd be there for limited stretch, clutch minutes, veteran leadership, and another locker room presence. Pop is good at monitoring (over-monitoring) the elderly players on his roster.
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby LooN3y on Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:22 pm

i really wanted fish to be on our team as a special player, kind of like the special teams in NFL, for certain situations.


but than again, would he be as effective and hit clutch shots when he doesnt get that much burn?
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:47 pm

Just accept a Laker Front Office/coaching position already. C'mon Fish you're done as a player two years ago.
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Re: Fish To The Spurs?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:12 am

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