Flopping Thread (Lee calls out Griffin pg. 3)

Flopping Thread (Lee calls out Griffin pg. 3)

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:21 am

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NBA just announced new anti-flopping policy: Warning for 1st violation, $5k fine on 2nd, then $10k, $15k and $30k on subsequent violations


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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:48 am

Well...

We'll see how this happens, but I just don't see it happening. It'll be fun to see when/how this is first instituted. The league can make a huge statement by giving Paul a warning during the preseason. If they hold true to this Chris Paul will be broke by Christmas and Griffin will have to do 400 new commercials by January.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Finwë on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:04 am

therealdeal wrote:Well...

We'll see how this happens, but I just don't see it happening. It'll be fun to see when/how this is first instituted. The league can make a huge statement by giving Paul a warning during the preseason. If they hold true to this Chris Paul will be broke by Christmas and Griffin will have to do 400 new commercials by January.

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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:55 am

That's weak, 30k for serious repeat offenders, weak sauce. They should get suspended after 5 or so violations and it doesn't reset heading into the playoffs.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:01 pm

$30K?

those dudes have that in the ashtrays of their cars


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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Punk-101 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:18 pm

Should be warning for first, same $$ breakdown for subsequents, but ALSO techs with each one that add up to suspensions like regular techs.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby lakersStan24 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:46 pm

needs to be at least 100,000
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby davriver290 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:12 pm

I feel bad for the refs. They have such a tough job in calling things.

Flopping is one of those reasons. But at least it will minimize some of it. This travesty was at its worse last year. When the Clippers won some games because of these god awful things.

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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Weezy on Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:13 pm

Not gonna work, the fines are too low to be a deterrent. It might stop low paid scrubs from flopping, but not filthy rich stars.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Kasumi on Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:26 pm

I think it's a good place to start, they can review it next season to see how it's working. I don't think in-game punishments should be issued (like a tech) because so many of the flops require video review to assess. But what this will do is give fans a new stat to track... right now, we all agree that the Clippers do a lot of flopping, but soon we'll have an NBA-approved stat to back that. It won't be a stigma that any team wants to carry.

For next season, I would like to see suspensions added after a certain number of violations.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby revgen on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:13 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:$30K?

those dudes have that in the ashtrays of their cars


CP3 laughs at this new policy


I agree. The big $$$ players aren't going to give a bleep. Which was probably intended by the NBA in the first place.

However 30k is quite a chunk of change for players on rookie salaries, who IMO is where this policy if really targeted towards. Stop them when they're young so they don't start the habit.

If they were really going to levy serious fines against the players, the Players Union would have gone apebleep over it.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:27 pm

Well now... let's think here. Is it per game? Or per OCCURANCE?

If Chris Paul flops 15 times in a game and he's already been warned does he get charged 5,000, 10,000, 15,000 etc etc until he's at about 200,000 for the game?

If that's how it works then I think that'd work wonders.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:09 pm

I read it as $30k for every subsequent violation as in if a player continues to do it, he continues to get hit with a $30k fine per violation.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:20 pm

Doc Brown wrote:That's weak, 30k for serious repeat offenders, weak sauce. They should get suspended after 5 or so violations and it doesn't reset heading into the playoffs.


I agree with Doc Brown and with Lakerswiz. Flopping has gotten way out of hand and a slap on the wrist fine isn't going to clear it up at all. Got to have stiffer penalties if you want to eliminate it. This looks like the NBA doesn't want to really do anything but give anti-flopping some lip service. If you want to stop it you do a lot better than this.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:36 pm

the players union is already filing a grievance against this new policy
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Tobias Funke on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:43 pm

NBA announces new anti-flopping rule

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New York -- The NBA will adopt an anti-flopping rule beginning with the 2012-13 season, Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Stu Jackson announced Wednesday.

"Flops have no place in our game -- they either fool referees into calling undeserved fouls or fool fans into thinking the referees missed a foul call," Jackson said. "Accordingly, both the Board of Governors and the Competition Committee felt strongly that any player who the league determines, following video review, to have committed a flop should -- after a warning -- be given an automatic penalty."

"Flopping" will be defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

Physical acts that constitute legitimate basketball plays (such as moving to a spot in order to draw an offensive foul) and minor physical reactions to contact will not be treated as flops.

Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the regular season will be subject to the following:

Violation 1: Warning

Violation 2: $5,000 fine

Violation 3: $10,000 fine

Violation 4: $15,000 fine

Violation 5: $30,000 fine

If a player violates the anti-flopping rule six times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension.

The league will announce at a later date a separate set of penalties for flopping that will apply during the playoffs.


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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Tobias Funke on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:53 pm

I think after the third infraction onwards there should be a technical assessed in addition to the fine. This is fair since Im pretty sure they're never gonna suspend anyone for flopping (if they do it would be a scrub just to say they did it).

Again, still not impressed. Based on the way he regularly plays, Chris Paul would be up to atleast $60K in fines within a game or two, but it would still take the league actually penalizing guys like him. I doubt they want their stars labeled as floppers so as I said before, they'll stick to focusing on scrubs like Reggie Evans and ignore the guys who's flopping actually influence the game in a big way.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby thkthebest on Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:08 pm

The policy seems fine to me.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby OX1947 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:00 pm

Excellent. Now if Stern gets rid of the zone and makes another contract with NBC, the NBA will be back to its greatness, 100 percent.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:11 pm

should make them personal fouls
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:19 pm

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therealdeal wrote:Well now... let's think here. Is it per game? Or per OCCURANCE?

If Chris Paul flops 15 times in a game and he's already been warned does he get charged 5,000, 10,000, 15,000 etc etc until he's at about 200,000 for the game?

If that's how it works then I think that'd work wonders.

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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:05 pm

I wonder if the Clippers organization will just send in about 500k in advance......

This is lip service to a big issue of credibility of the game..... I'll bet in Paul and Griffin were on Memphis we'd see some real penalties.....
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby Weezy on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:05 pm

I should also say that I do appreciate the NBA at least acknowledging that flopping is an issue in the NBA by putting this in. I don't see it ever going away, but at least they're trying in some way. One thing does worry me though, who is going to judge what's a flop and what's not? Are they going to put some rules out there determining which is which? Maybe somebody will take a legit charge and it will really look like flopping when it's not and they get penalized. Maybe somebody flops but makes it look legit and is not penalized. This is going to be really hard for them to actually judge. I hope for the best, but I don't know, not sold.
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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby thkthebest on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:10 pm

I think they're only going to penalize the obvious flops like this one:

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Re: Anti-Flopping Policy Announced

Postby c.Lin on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:21 pm

I think it's adequate. Gradually increasing fines with each offense, then something along the lines of suspension after that.

The refs have a tough enough job calling things like flops real time. Technicals assessed after the fact would work, I guess, since it would still contribute to the maximum a player is allowed, but it wouldn't work during the game.
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