Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby JSM on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:00 pm

Kelly Dwyer of Yahoo wrote:According to NBA.com’s Scott Howard-Cooper, former SuperSonics, Bucks, Lakers, Celtics and Heat guard Gary Payton will be announced as one of the newest members of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame on Monday. Payton, who retired in 2007 after 17 years in the league, won a championship ring as a member of the 2005-06 Heat. He was a nine-time All-Star, he appeared nine times on the All-Defensive team and also won the Defensive Player of the Year Award (a remarkable achievement for a lead guard) while working for his 1995-96 SuperSonics team.

That Seattle team won 64 games and made it to the NBA Finals before losing in six games to the 72-10 Chicago Bulls. Of Chicago’s 13 losses that season, regular season and playoffs included, Seattle beat the Bulls three times — more than any other team. With all due respect to Shawn Kemp’s offensive exploits, the defensive-minded Payton may have been the best player on the best team of the 3-point era to not win a championship.

We will have more coverage on GP’s career and induction in late summer, when he takes to Springfield.

Best defensive and trash talking PG in the history of the game. Definitely deserving.
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:09 pm

you dont find true lockdown 1s like the Glove anymore....well earned...congrats...i forgive you for all the times you talked smack to Eddie
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby JSM on Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:16 pm

^ Yep. The best defensive PG today is Rondo and the gap between GP and Rondo is as large as the gap between Eddie Jones and Michael Jordan.
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby ZenMaster4President on Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:44 pm

JSM wrote:^ Yep. The best defensive PG today is Rondo and the gap between GP and Rondo is as large as the gap between Eddie Jones and Michael Jordan.


I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. Payton was given much more leway than Rondo. The era was much much more physical.

I don't think there is as big of gap as you make it out to be.
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:05 pm

GP is definitely worthy of the HOF. Amazing PG
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:16 pm

ZenMaster4President wrote:
JSM wrote:^ Yep. The best defensive PG today is Rondo and the gap between GP and Rondo is as large as the gap between Eddie Jones and Michael Jordan.


I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. Payton was given much more leway than Rondo. The era was much much more physical.

I don't think there is as big of gap as you make it out to be.


I would have to agree.... Rondo gets no respect in a lot of ways. If Payton had to play with today's rules I'm not sure he'd be a lot more effective than Rondo....

Payton to me was a borderline HOF player..... he never dominated a game but was always a factor.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:57 pm

JSM wrote:^ Yep. The best defensive PG today is Rondo and the gap between GP and Rondo is as large as the gap between Eddie Jones and Michael Jordan.

:man10: This.
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby 432J on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:34 am

there's no doubt he was a first ballot hall of famer

not so memorable season in LA but i'll always remember him as a sonic anyways. a truly great PG and one hell of a trash talker
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby Frank Dux on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:55 am

Rondo isn't even really a good defender anymore.
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:51 am

Rondo isn't even the best defensive PG on his team ( Bradley often defends SG though)
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Postby Chillbongo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:21 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:
JSM wrote:^ Yep. The best defensive PG today is Rondo and the gap between GP and Rondo is as large as the gap between Eddie Jones and Michael Jordan.

:man10: This.

This.

Absolutely a HOF. I agree that Payton's era allowed more physicality but DAMN if there ever was a two-way player....

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Postby dj vitus on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:33 am

Damn, the arenas were loud back then.
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby JSM on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:41 pm

Bill Oram of the Salt Lake City Tribune wrote:Earl Watson took a question about Gary Payton, who he backed up his first season in the league with the Seattle SuperSonics, and started to give one of his usual thoughtful answers when Mo Williams, who shares a corner with Watson in the Jazz locker room, leaned over.

"Greatest point guard ever," Williams whispered.

Watson countered that growing up, he developed the opinion that "Magic's the best point guard ever."
Williams wasn't letting this one go, going to bat for Payton.

"Best point guard ever," he said. "All-around, everything. What you want, he gives you."

This all came up because according to multiple reports — I first saw it in the Seattle Times — Payton will be elected to the Hall of Fame next week. The line of questioning led to a phenomenal response from Watson, which I included in my notebook from tonight's game.

Here's Watson, unabridged:
"First of all, Gary gives no one any respect, he doesn't care. True story, this is crazy. So we come in here to play Utah, and John Stockton was here. So everybody we play Gary just talked bad about, 'Oh he's not that good, I give him 40 easy, I lock him up.' But coming here to play Utah, he was like — he was always calling me Baby Bro — he was like, 'Baby Bro, this guy right here? Ooh, this white boy is cold.'

"So he respected John Stockton. He never talked crazy to John Stockton, he just played as hard as he could but he never verbally went at him, which GP was known for. So, as far as being like my mentor coming into the league — Mo says he's the best point guard ever — I'm happy for him. I'm happy for him because he deserves it.

"One thing about him as a scout, he knew every team's plays. Every play call, the digrams, everything. He would do it. Like when Nate [then-Sonics coach Nate McMillan] would draw it up, we would walk the scout, GP would call it out. Call a play out and the coach was going to put us in that play and GP would explain what was going to happen and what was the best way was to guard it, he felt. I thought that was unique for a player to know every team's plays, the name of the play, the diagram of the play. To me, that's when I took more mental notes, like, I got to get my basketball knowledge up, because I always looked up to him."

Wow, knowing every play from the opposition...that's impressive.
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Re: Gary Payton has been elected to the Hall of Fame

Postby Juronimo on Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:25 pm

Gary Payton definitely deserves to be in the hall of fame mainly based on what he did in Seattle. Dude was a beast, a true 2 way player, fearless and an excellent playmaker. I think Stockton had the better career but Payton in his prime may have been better. Those Seattle teams were great teams but like other great teams could not get past Chicago.
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