Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:20 pm

Center Court just summed up my thoughts EXACTLY. People that are opposed to this signing are DELUSIONAL. I'm so sick of the Arenas hate. GET THIS GUY IN HERE!!!
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby Steez on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:01 pm

The only problem we the signing of Arenas is the fact that it will take minutes away from Fisher.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby kobe_mamba on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:16 pm

yeah i'm definitely on the Gil train now....was hesitant at first, but sign me up
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby magic2kb8 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:19 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I can't believe Arenas is getting this much attention right now...


Not sure why you can't believe Real. The fact is Lakers fans never look at the picture right it is always "see what so and so is doing why can't we have that?".

Take the Lin explossion... All of a sudden Lakers fans are pissed cause we could of had him for a small price. However, if we had him on the team we would get comments like "dude the Asian kid sucks trade him for a pack of wasabi", "You know we could of had Deven Goerge instead of this chump", "Damn, Mitch is so stupid wasting a roster spot on this scrub". Now, that Lin got the green light to just "play" on a crappy team and he put up some numbers it has become "OMG Why don't we have him", "He is the next Nash and young too and like Tebow with religion and stuff.. stupid FO".

Gil and JR both have the abilty to put up big points and thus its flashy which Lakers fans salivate over. They still want to trade Bynum for Howard even though Dwight continues to prove he isn't a winner or even capable of being the man for a real contender while Drew may have had some injuries but he comes to play even hurt and he has a better offensive arsenal that Dwight BUT Laker fans love the dunks and thus Dwight is greater than Drew.

In other words, this is par for the course for we few Lakers followers.


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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:52 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I can't believe Arenas is getting this much attention right now...


Not sure why you can't believe Real. The fact is Lakers fans never look at the picture right it is always "see what so and so is doing why can't we have that?".

Take the Lin explossion... All of a sudden Lakers fans are pissed cause we could of had him for a small price. However, if we had him on the team we would get comments like "dude the Asian kid sucks trade him for a pack of wasabi", "You know we could of had Deven Goerge instead of this chump", "Damn, Mitch is so stupid wasting a roster spot on this scrub". Now, that Lin got the green light to just "play" on a crappy team and he put up some numbers it has become "OMG Why don't we have him", "He is the next Nash and young too and like Tebow with religion and stuff.. stupid FO".

Gil and JR both have the abilty to put up big points and thus its flashy which Lakers fans salivate over. They still want to trade Bynum for Howard even though Dwight continues to prove he isn't a winner or even capable of being the man for a real contender while Drew may have had some injuries but he comes to play even hurt and he has a better offensive arsenal that Dwight BUT Laker fans love the dunks and thus Dwight is greater than Drew.

In other words, this is par for the course for we few Lakers followers.


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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby Center Court on Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:58 pm

magic2kb8 wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Not sure why you can't believe Real. The fact is Lakers fans never look at the picture right it is always "see what so and so is doing why can't we have that?".

Take the Lin explossion... All of a sudden Lakers fans are pissed cause we could of had him for a small price. However, if we had him on the team we would get comments like "dude the Asian kid sucks trade him for a pack of wasabi", "You know we could of had Deven Goerge instead of this chump", "Damn, Mitch is so stupid wasting a roster spot on this scrub". Now, that Lin got the green light to just "play" on a crappy team and he put up some numbers it has become "OMG Why don't we have him", "He is the next Nash and young too and like Tebow with religion and stuff.. stupid FO".

Gil and JR both have the abilty to put up big points and thus its flashy which Lakers fans salivate over. They still want to trade Bynum for Howard even though Dwight continues to prove he isn't a winner or even capable of being the man for a real contender while Drew may have had some injuries but he comes to play even hurt and he has a better offensive arsenal that Dwight BUT Laker fans love the dunks and thus Dwight is greater than Drew.

In other words, this is par for the course for we few Lakers followers.


COSIGN everything you said.



sigh.

we are averaging the fewest points in franchise history this side of the shot clock era and us delusional fans salivate at the thought of more scoring. we're so ignorant.

forget having just a hard enough time stopping quick/athletic teams like Miami, OKC, and LAC, but now we can have no shot at scoring enough to keep up.

pffft... shame on us
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby venturalakersfan on Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:20 pm

Center Court wrote:
kray28 wrote:Thing is....playing with Dwight, Gil should have had a ton of open looks to hit. On paper, it should be like shooting fish in a barrel. But he didn't do well.

It should have been easier than being the #1 option/volume chucker that he had to be in DC. But like most volume shooters, Gil needs shots to get his gaudy totals.



do you know the when a starter he averaged 17ppg? WHILE IN ORLANDO

seriously people are trying to hate on Arenas at every angle possible and it's tiring.

SVG didn't use him right. He's not a role player. He's either a 6th man who you let go out and put up shots or he's a starter who can get his within the flow of the game. IMO he's a better starting option than Fish or Blake and would drastically improve the bench. Hell, when our bench plays well, we usually do well. When our bench plays whell it's because gl0ck plays well. Arenas > gl0ck.

The logic that he can play off the ball is vastly overstated... his best year came when he played with Larry Hughes at the 2 and they both were able to score and overall looked really good that year. As a 4th option and next to Kobe/Drew/Pau, he'd be finding open looks and lanes all the time.

And finally, that whole team cancer thing is IMO a little blown out of proportion. What he did was stupid, no doubt about it. VERY STUPID. But he's not some player who year after year caused problems and tore his team apart. He's an outgoing, enigmatic guy. Something tells me the whole gun thing was a big joke gone very very wrong. In the end, the FBI was on a manhunt for the other guy in that situation for shooting an innocent bystander.

Look, at the end of the day the fact that we are looking at the current version of Arenas as big addition to our bench/team, says something about the quality of our depth. Odom, Brown, Sasha, and Ronny are all far more productive players that we currently have. Clearly our ownership has wanted to save money wherever possible--- we are who we are. BUT if Arenas can do what he did as a starter for Orlando, then he'd be a good addition. If he can play somewhere between that level and Hibachi/Agent 0, then it's a move that could really propel to a championship level team. If somehow someway he get's back to a more reserved version of Gilbert 05/06, then we stuck gold and gold is in our future. Given the fact that he's healthy, playing back at home, has good reason to stay in line, motivated, and we have nothing to lose but a prorated veteran minimum, what is the down side?? None. Zero. No big salary to take on, no picks, no losing assets.

Oh and maybe it helps sway Dwight to push for LA. He and Gilbert are close and share the same agent.

I, for one, sincerely hope we sign Arenas.


If the bolded is true then we don't need him. His averages off the bench is similar to what we are getting from Fish now. If the FO is confident enough to sign him, then fine. But I think expectations here are too high.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby venturalakersfan on Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:24 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:Center Court just summed up my thoughts EXACTLY. People that are opposed to this signing are DELUSIONAL. I'm so sick of the Arenas hate. GET THIS GUY IN HERE!!!


Either delusional, or with good enough memories to remember Arenas last playing in the league. That wasn't a player worth signing.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby purp n gold on Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:37 pm

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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby venturalakersfan on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:08 pm

That key phrase hasn't seemed to help Arenas get a job.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:59 pm

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Zebra reason they lost by 40 in gm 6?


No Game 2.. when they let the C's beat the hell out of us and called the soda guy for fouls to send them to the freethrow line and game 4. BUt that is old news.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby magicman32 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:23 pm

hopefully the FO is just waiting for JR to decide. if he chooses another team, hopefully Gilbert is the backup plan

I'd love to get one of these two, JR is better obviously, but Arenas can help
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby kobe_mamba on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:39 pm

magicman32 wrote:hopefully the FO is just waiting for JR to decide. if he chooses another team, hopefully Gilbert is the backup plan

I'd love to get one of these two, JR is better obviously, but Arenas can help


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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:41 pm

Center Court wrote:

sigh.

we are averaging the fewest points in franchise history this side of the shot clock era and us delusional fans salivate at the thought of more scoring. we're so ignorant.

forget having just a hard enough time stopping quick/athletic teams like Miami, OKC, and LAC, but now we can have no shot at scoring enough to keep up.

pffft... shame on us


I'll Bite.

No one said we were playing great but a few things have to be considered:

1. We still have a new system, coach and players plus several key players were injured.
2. Our outside shooters have been horrible so far this year.
a. Dwight has a limited arsenal and NEEDS those outside shooters to get his one on one chances. He
doesn't handle the double-team any better than Drew does in actuality.
3. The Lakers are slowly rounding into form. Can we score more? Sure, but the problem isn't talent it is
execution.
4. Since we are talking about something we haven't done how about looking at we are holding teams 10
points below their averages on the defensive end of the ball.
5. Our weakness is at penetration from the PG spot and shooting from the Foward spots. With solid minutes
our guys will shoot better and with the return of Blake and the emergence of the young rookie the
attacking should also improve.

Now each of the teams you listed have their issues too but the playoffs the games slowdown and the Lakers are building a team that can play that hard defensive style game. Our record would be better if we had better late game execution which has improved, albeit slightly, lately. A couple of reason is that:
1. Drew and Pau are now rotating to the rim when Kobe shoots instead of watching.
2. Our guys are moving without the ball more especially guys like Matt and even Metta giving us shots closer to the rim.
3. Our shooters are looking less scared to shoot the dang ball.

Nothing I said was inaccurate nor "fanboyish". I recall how many wanted to get rid of LO in the form of "Trade Ghost for a bag of peanuts and some cheese" type responses. He got traded for some tax relief and all of sudden he is/was the greatest player to ever play with us. Like I said, just another day in Laker Fanhood.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby Center Court on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:09 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Center Court wrote:

sigh.

we are averaging the fewest points in franchise history this side of the shot clock era and us delusional fans salivate at the thought of more scoring. we're so ignorant.

forget having just a hard enough time stopping quick/athletic teams like Miami, OKC, and LAC, but now we can have no shot at scoring enough to keep up.

pffft... shame on us


I'll Bite.

No one said we were playing great but a few things have to be considered:

1. We still have a new system, coach and players plus several key players were injured.
2. Our outside shooters have been horrible so far this year.
a. Dwight has a limited arsenal and NEEDS those outside shooters to get his one on one chances. He
doesn't handle the double-team any better than Drew does in actuality.
3. The Lakers are slowly rounding into form. Can we score more? Sure, but the problem isn't talent it is
execution.
4. Since we are talking about something we haven't done how about looking at we are holding teams 10
points below their averages on the defensive end of the ball.
5. Our weakness is at penetration from the PG spot and shooting from the Foward spots. With solid minutes
our guys will shoot better and with the return of Blake and the emergence of the young rookie the
attacking should also improve.

Now each of the teams you listed have their issues too but the playoffs the games slowdown and the Lakers are building a team that can play that hard defensive style game. Our record would be better if we had better late game execution which has improved, albeit slightly, lately. A couple of reason is that:
1. Drew and Pau are now rotating to the rim when Kobe shoots instead of watching.
2. Our guys are moving without the ball more especially guys like Matt and even Metta giving us shots closer to the rim.
3. Our shooters are looking less scared to shoot the dang ball.

Nothing I said was inaccurate nor "fanboyish". I recall how many wanted to get rid of LO in the form of "Trade Ghost for a bag of peanuts and some cheese" type responses. He got traded for some tax relief and all of sudden he is/was the greatest player to ever play with us. Like I said, just another day in Laker Fanhood.



why are you discussing Howard?

I'm speaking to your statement about Gilbert and JR. Isn't this the Arenas thread?
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby jjin28 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:11 am

hehehehe
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby Justin Bailey on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:21 am

kobe_mamba wrote:yeah i'm definitely on the Gil train now....was hesitant at first, but sign me up
I'm actually a little excited just to see how he plays.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby kenzo on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:33 am

We'll sign Gil a minute after JR says "FU".
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby Bilbao-LakerMagic on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:05 pm

Is Gilbert Arenas' career ended? He is still 30, I don't know about his knee problems status currently but... I am sure that he would improve that we have in the team. We need more scorers and talent, and if we can get him in a cheap way, he is not the solution but yes a good help.

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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:12 pm

kenzo wrote:We'll sign Gil a minute after JR says "FU".

He just did. :bang: :mad1: :disagree:

Sign Arenas now.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:57 pm

Sign him up....I'm in. But G-dammit you better keep developing and utilizing G-Lock..... :jam2: :jam2:
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby GoatMilk16 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:22 pm

jjin28 wrote:hehehehe
D12 jerseys to hit stores soon. But with a different number. :man12: Also, Goud gonna get paid to give up zero

meh
Gilbert hasn't worn #0 since the 2009-2010 season

he wore #9 then wore #1 when he was traded to Orlando
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby DirtySoap on Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:33 am

Update on Gilbert Arenas status with Lakers: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

SI.com: So where did you leave things with the Lakers after your workout?

Arenas: That was kind of weird, the situation. I was actually training in New York, and my agent, Dan Fegan, told me to come out and work out for the Lakers. My whole thing is, I don't want to play for anybody until I'm finished rehabbing and finished doing what I need to do, so that's not going to happen until at least All-Star break. So I decided, Well, I'll just go out there and work out.

SI.com: Was it just the Lakers or was anyone else watching?

Arenas: When you're in there getting buckets, you're not really paying attention to who's there. You're just doing your thing. To me, it didn't matter who it was -- could've been the D-League team or whatever. I'm just showing you what I have. You can either keep reading newspapers articles where they say I'm 40 pounds overweight and I lost a step -- all the fantasy stuff people want to talk about because they're going off my last year where I was basically mentally out of it. Or you can just see for yourself: This is what I am. A 6-foot-3 guard, 6-10 wingspan, still got his quickness, can still jump, still fast. I make shots, and that's what I am. I'm not here to sell anything, but look, here's what I am and then I'm going back home to my family.

SI.com: Mostly drill stuff?

Arenas: It was just mostly drills, and then creating shots off the dribble, attacking the basket. Some full-court stuff, which I was just straight winded -- whew! [laughs]. But I got up as fast as I can. I figured, Just show your speed. I don't think they really care about your wind right now. It was fun. You feel like a rookie again.

SI.com: Did you talk to Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak?

Arenas: Yeah, I talked to Mitch. We had a nice conversation. Can't tell you what it was about. But I have a basketball mind. I'm not some complete idiot. I do idiot things, but I'm not a complete idiot.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... z1mwrR2Lcl


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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby kray28 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:37 am

If Gil is the best we can do, we need to sign him. It's better than nothing. But we need a backup guard in the worst way.

The only way I see the Lakers taking a pass is if he's really done or so out of shape right now that he's unable to contribute.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas Thread (p.29 Arenas at All-Star Break?)

Postby DirtySoap on Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:49 am

kray28 wrote:If Gil is the best we can do, we need to sign him. It's better than nothing. But we need a backup guard in the worst way.

The only way I see the Lakers taking a pass is if he's really done or so out of shape right now that he's unable to contribute.


I read the entire article, which was apparently a 90-minute sit down. Refreshing to finally get a glimpse into Gil's perspective on all of the chaos that's been going on in his life for the past two years. I would be really excited to see Arenas in a Lakers uniform. He seems healthy, humbled, and prepared to redeem himself. I would love to see the Lakers retain their core of Kobe/Gasol/Bynum, add Arenas as the starting PG, and use the TPE or Mav's draft pick to bring in a major upgrade at small forward. Let's face it, the Lakers aren't going to get equal value for Gasol, if they gut their team for a blockbuster trade they will still have too many holes to contend with Miami or Chicago, and at the end of the day Bynum/Gasol is still easily the most dominant front court tandem in the NBA. I'd say tweak a few things, give this team a chance to compete in the lockout shortened season, and if it still ends up not being enough, revisit the blockbuster trades in the summer.
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