HGH testing next season?

HGH testing next season?

Postby Balance&Options24 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:16 pm

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David Stern said Wednesday he expects the NBA will add blood testing for human growth hormone in time for the 2013-14 season.
Stern is simply following suit after Major League Baseball instituted in-season testing for HGH this year. Stern said the league was waiting to begin testing for HGH because "there hasn’t been a favored testing protocol yet." The commissioner also said he doesn't believe the NBA has a serious problem with HGH.
Source: SI.com Feb 6 - 3:44 PM
David Stern expects NBA to add blood testing for HGH by 2013-14

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David Stern says blood testing for HGH is coming to the NBA. (Greg Nelson/SI)




By Ben Golliver

Commissioner David Stern said Wednesday that he expects the NBA will follow Major League Baseball’s lead by adopting blood testing for Human Growth Hormone (HGH).

“We watch what’s going on in baseball, we watch the negotiations that are going in with football, and it is my expectation that by next season [we] will be doing blood testing for HGH,” Stern told WCCO radio in Minnesota. “Our players have been terrific. they lead this in some ways, saying, ‘ We do not want to have anything less than the best.’ That’s been the way it’s been since 1983.”

The NBA has been exploring the issue for some time. In Dec. 2011, after the conclusion of the lockout, NBA.com reported that HGH testing would be phased in once a reliable testing procedure could be determined.

Stern said Wednesday that testing hadn’t been implemented to this point because “there hasn’t been a favored testing protocol yet” and stated that he didn’t believe the NBA has a serious problem with HGH, which is on the league’s list of banned substances.

“If I say I don’t have a concern, everyone says I’m a Pollyanna,” Stern said. “I don’t have any reason to know one way or another. My guess is and my hope is that it’s not widely used in the NBA.”

MLB commissioner Bud Selig announced in January that his league would begin in-season testing for HGH.

“This is a proud and a great day for baseball,” Selig said. “We’ll continue to be a leader in this field and do what we have to do.”

Last week, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said that heexpects HGH testing to be implemented before next season.

“I believe that HGH testing is going to happen prior to the 2013 NFL season,” Goodell said, the Denver Post reported. ” It’s the right thing to do for the players, for their health and well-being long-term. It’s the right thing to do for the integrity of the game. It’s also the right thing to do to send the right message to everybody else in sports. You don’t have to play the game by taking performance-enhancing drugs. The science is there.”

ESPN.com reported in January that Maryland congressman Elijah Cummings has urged the NBA to begin implementing HGH tests “right away” because testing is now considered reliable.

Stern also joked Wednesday that he personally does not use performance-enhancing drugs.

“I don’t take them,” he said. “I just want you to know, if you want to come here and test me, I’m ready. … You won’t find anything.”
. Oh oh Lebron and wade.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby kenzo on Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:21 pm

Well... that's not gonna happen. And if it does, it will be just for show, no one will get caught.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby Juronimo on Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:33 pm

If Stern seriously thinks players aren't using performance enhancing drugs, he's delusional.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:36 pm

Juronimo wrote:If Stern seriously thinks players aren't using performance enhancing drugs, he's delusional.

Exactly.

I don't know if "rampant" would describe drug use in the NBA like it would in the NFL, but there's OBVIOUSLY some usage.

Show me again the transformation of Wade's cheek bones, Howard's shoulders, and LeBron's muscular structure. All of these guys were already supreme athletes and could they be physical freaks? Sure. But odds are against them if I'm being 100% honest with myself.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:43 pm

Somebody needs to check Corey Brewer for reverse HGH.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:51 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Juronimo wrote:If Stern seriously thinks players aren't using performance enhancing drugs, he's delusional.

Exactly.

I don't know if "rampant" would describe drug use in the NBA like it would in the NFL, but there's OBVIOUSLY some usage.

Show me again the transformation of Wade's cheek bones, Howard's shoulders, and LeBron's muscular structure. All of these guys were already supreme athletes and could they be physical freaks? Sure. But odds are against them if I'm being 100% honest with myself.


I'm unsure about Howard but I'd wager a pretty firm bet re: Lebronze and Wade.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:03 pm

Judging by Howard's intense deltoid growth, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he took some sort of PEDs. He was a pretty skinny kid when he was drafted, but then again he was 18 I think. I'd include him in my investigations though, that's for sure.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby laker911 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:09 pm

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Postby 432J on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:33 pm

therealdeal wrote:Judging by Howard's intense deltoid growth, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he took some sort of PEDs. He was a pretty skinny kid when he was drafted, but then again he was 18 I think. I'd include him in my investigations though, that's for sure.

there's no way. guys build muscle as they proceed through the league

wade is the one guy i would suspect since his face has grown abnormally larger since '03. but look at pictures of howard, lebron, and carmelo when they were drafted til now. they've all put on a good amount of muscle and become noticeably bigger.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby Nikez on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:38 pm

I guess lebron is gonna have to retire early.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:42 pm

432J wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Judging by Howard's intense deltoid growth, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he took some sort of PEDs. He was a pretty skinny kid when he was drafted, but then again he was 18 I think. I'd include him in my investigations though, that's for sure.

there's no way. guys build muscle as they proceed through the league

wade is the one guy i would suspect since his face has grown abnormally larger since '03. but look at pictures of howard, lebron, and carmelo when they were drafted til now. they've all put on a good amount of muscle and become noticeably bigger.

No way? You really think there's NO WAY they could be taking PEDs?

And isn't that the point? They've put on a CONSIDERABLE amount of muscle... I'm not saying that they're all taking or that it's an epidemic, but to think that SOME people are taking it should be a given.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:50 pm

I'd throw Blake Griffin in this conversation as well.
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Postby D.B. Cooper on Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:29 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I'd throw Blake Griffin in this conversation as well.

He's got the acne.
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Postby Congo Cash on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:31 pm

Another "policy" that won't amount to anything...

Hundreds of games and only 2(?) offenders caught, and that's with the so-called anti-flopping rule, this will be the same...
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby ramsay13 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:50 pm

All those injuries and kobe can still play? get the heck out.

About time!
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Postby keyindabox on Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:52 pm

ramsay13 wrote:All those injuries and kobe can still play? get the heck out.

About time!


Is all you do troll on Kobe?

Anyway, I definitely think there is SOME use, but I wouldn't start naming guys off the bat like that. I mean granted, guys like Dwight and LBJ are physical MONSTERS, but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't using to be honest...
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:35 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if LeBron and Dwight weren't using, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were either. All I'm saying is there's a reasonable chance of that happening. And given their physical abilities, I don't see how anyone could simply excuse the idea as being impossible.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:01 pm

The Rashard Lewis thing was probably a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg.

Using roids and hormone therapy are probably the reason for the longevity of our current crop of top athletes. Look at the top baseball players, and look at Lance Armstrong. Thank god MJ's retired.

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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby Forward Three on Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:30 pm

I've written a bit about this on these forums before because I've been something of a bodybuilding enthusiast for a long time and while I am by no means an expert on the subject, and I haven't done any PEDs myself, it is something I've read and thought about a fair bit. I'm also a tall oaf so I can kind of relate to that aspect of NBA players and size/strength. With that said, I'm probably about to spit a bunch of buullll, so by all means, call me out if I say something completely outdated or dumb. Just a topic I'm interested in is all.

The long and short of it is that I think it is absolutely guaranteed that some players historically and today have taken PEDs. We'd be naive to think otherwise, especially in light of the Lance Armstrong revelations. The fact is, the science of 'doping' has never been as sophisticated as it is today but beyond that the ability to keep the secret has never been sharped either.

Yes, it is true that any athlete or even layperson who hasn't really trained with heavy weights before or who hasn't committed to a bodybuilder's diet before is likely to see substantial gains in a relatively short window of time. Anywhere from 10-25lbs in a year and change is possible. It won't all be muscle of course, but it won't all be fat either. You look around the league and that's basically the norm. 6'6" 185lbs bean pole comes in as a rookie and 2-3 years later he's 205-215 and looking like an NBA player. There's very little reason to think that sort of thing has anything to do with PEDs, at least not something like HGH or some anabolic steroids.

But then you have guys like Wade...

If there was ever a player I suspected of doping it'd be Wade. For starters he's huge. No, not bodybuilder huge, but there are simply not many 6'3/220ish guys in the league at all, let alone ones who are actually agile. But the other thing that makes him suspect to me is that he's come back from so. many. injuries. in his career. Granted maybe nothing he had was super crazy or career altering/ending, but it's not as if PEDs are only used to build mass either, helping with healing/recovery is on the table with these things. But then, it's also that he's had so many injuries in the first place. Thing is, one of the side-effects people don't often talk about with regards to 'unnatural' muscle growth in a short period of time is that your connective tissue doesn't grow with it and you wind up with 20lbs more than your body is comfortable supporting and it just increases your chances a bit of having to deal with joint and ligament crap. Hell, this type of thing happens to all-natural athletes in their first year or so of training and getting beginner gains, the effect is only more pronounced when you're doing it faster(as PEDs enable you to)

Throw into the mix his ridiculous jawline and kind of bloated facial features all around(including his eyes which just seem like the tissue around them has swollen) as well as actual accusations that have been levied at him from former colleagues about this(even though that is admittedly not a particularly reliable claim if someone had beef), and of all the active high-profile players, he is simply the one I suspect the most.


Against those suspicions I would say that there is the question of "well, sure maybe he did but when? and for how long? and where? NBA seasons are so long with so many games and off seasons are fairly short, and while Lance Armstrong taught us that you can maintain an active PED regime right alongside your activity of choice completely undetected, it still feels like that would be a lot harder to do with a basketball season than a cycling tour.

Of course, that opens up the other issue. Maybe he did, but maybe he doesn't anymore, so who is worse for wear? Do Miami's 2 quasi-asterisks championships become full up asterisks championships in the eyes of history if it was ever uncovered? or is that just me being a hater?

It's an interesting topic at least. I hope the NBA doesn't become the next big drug scandal in professional sports, and I personally have fairly liberal views on PED usage, but at the same time, I don't think the league is wrong to want to tighten the screws here or spearhead some investigation.
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Re: HGH testing next season?

Postby Forward Three on Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:49 pm

I also would suspect Blake Griffin strongly mostly on the basis that he is a douchebag college athlete and I've just seen it so many times where douchebag college athletes start taking [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] to get ahead. That he has brothers who are also douchebag college athletes just makes it that much stronger.

Of course, Derek Fisher also comes to mind as someone who was quite a bit bigger than his position as well as remarkably durable and with something of a serious jawline to boot. Which is the other thing about this whole mess is that sometimes you do just get athletes who are 'naturally' that 'gifted' in a way, who have extremely high testosterone levels naturally or who produced more HGH than most at a younger age or whatever.
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Postby PurpleNGold1 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:31 pm

RUSSELL WESTBROOK ROID RAGE KOBE FOR THE FACT ALL THOSE INJURYS YET HES RECOVERED I WOULDN TDOUBT IT I HATE TO SAY IT BRON FOR HIS SIZE WADE APPARENTLY FOR HIS JAW N HEAD ahh caps :bang:
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Postby retro_nights on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:13 pm

wouldn't be surprised if Kobe used any during recovery, much like Ray Lewis or Arod.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:27 pm

Boy that would be a PR nightmare if LBJ, Wade or Griffin came up positive?
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Postby lakefansac on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:34 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:Boy that would be a PR nightmare if LBJ, Wade or Griffin came up positive?


The NBA is just pretending they want to do something while in fact they will do very little and only catch low profile players to make it look like they care about PED usage. The NBA will still ptrotect its product just like MLB does with PEDs. The NBA did the same thing about recreational drug usage because they dont want most of their players to test positive for marijuana or cocaine which would be bad for business.
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