Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:45 pm

PeediSigel wrote:
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PeediSigel wrote:What people need to realize with Akeem, the year he won DPOTY, Finals MVP, and MVP, is that nothing's to be taken away from him for that, he worked his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] off, and definitely earned those awards. But with the revisionism of Olajuwon's career that's took place over the past several years, people are treating that year like he always played like that, and was finally getting his due or something. No, not even close. Let me put this into perspective, so it can be understood:

Pure hypothetical, let's say Dwight Howard were to accomplish the same feats, let's say next year. Most people wouldn't be saying "see, I KNEW he had it in him!" or "best player in the league" or anything of that nature. Aside from the casuals, most would be saying things something like: "it's about time", "didn't know he had it in him" "WOW!", etc. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Howard's as good as Olajuwon or anything, nor am I trying to imply Olajuwon wasn't great, just making note that those accomplishments for Olajuwon were more or less redemption; remember, he was just removed from having missed the playoffs in his prime, and accused of quitting on his team, faking an injury, due to a contract dispute. Nor was he thought of as good as the likes of Earvin, Jordan, Bird at ANY one point. He was not playing like that his entire career, and he didn't keep it up afterwards either, as evidenced by getting swept out the playoffs right after his title in '96, and failing afterwards with more talent than he's had before

I just have one question for the Olajuwon fans: if he was SO good and dominant during his title runs, how come he wasn't doing this his entire career?


Is this David Robinson? Lol. Do you realize how baseless your post sounds? We can do this with any great. What was Shaq doing all those years outside of his 3 peat? How come he couldn't win more? Or KG? How come he only won one ring and barely did anything with the Timberwolves? I mean we can do this with any great. You just seem to have a serious disdain for the guy for some reason. This must be David Robinson. Still bitter about the legendary schooling you took? Did you know that year, Robinson was not only the regular season MVP but his Spurs had the best record in the league? The Rockets weren't supposed to win but you keep saying that Hakeem's Rockets had a cake walk in thise two years. Anyways, agree to disagree.


Ok tell me, why should someone that couldn't make it past the first round more than HALF their career, deserve to be ranked outside the top 25?


You know your hero KG is much worse than Hakeem. He was eliminated in the 1st round 8 times and advanced further 5 times. He also missed the playoffs 5 seasons. Doesn't change the fact that both are all time greats.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby PeediSigel on Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:12 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
PeediSigel wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
PeediSigel wrote:What people need to realize with Akeem, the year he won DPOTY, Finals MVP, and MVP, is that nothing's to be taken away from him for that, he worked his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] off, and definitely earned those awards. But with the revisionism of Olajuwon's career that's took place over the past several years, people are treating that year like he always played like that, and was finally getting his due or something. No, not even close. Let me put this into perspective, so it can be understood:

Pure hypothetical, let's say Dwight Howard were to accomplish the same feats, let's say next year. Most people wouldn't be saying "see, I KNEW he had it in him!" or "best player in the league" or anything of that nature. Aside from the casuals, most would be saying things something like: "it's about time", "didn't know he had it in him" "WOW!", etc. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Howard's as good as Olajuwon or anything, nor am I trying to imply Olajuwon wasn't great, just making note that those accomplishments for Olajuwon were more or less redemption; remember, he was just removed from having missed the playoffs in his prime, and accused of quitting on his team, faking an injury, due to a contract dispute. Nor was he thought of as good as the likes of Earvin, Jordan, Bird at ANY one point. He was not playing like that his entire career, and he didn't keep it up afterwards either, as evidenced by getting swept out the playoffs right after his title in '96, and failing afterwards with more talent than he's had before

I just have one question for the Olajuwon fans: if he was SO good and dominant during his title runs, how come he wasn't doing this his entire career?


Is this David Robinson? Lol. Do you realize how baseless your post sounds? We can do this with any great. What was Shaq doing all those years outside of his 3 peat? How come he couldn't win more? Or KG? How come he only won one ring and barely did anything with the Timberwolves? I mean we can do this with any great. You just seem to have a serious disdain for the guy for some reason. This must be David Robinson. Still bitter about the legendary schooling you took? Did you know that year, Robinson was not only the regular season MVP but his Spurs had the best record in the league? The Rockets weren't supposed to win but you keep saying that Hakeem's Rockets had a cake walk in thise two years. Anyways, agree to disagree.


Ok tell me, why should someone that couldn't make it past the first round more than HALF their career, deserve to be ranked outside the top 25?


You know your hero KG is much worse than Hakeem. He was eliminated in the 1st round 8 times and advanced further 5 times. He also missed the playoffs 5 seasons. Doesn't change the fact that both are all time greats.


And for that, KG isn't outside the top 25. Now enough deflection, why should someone else that dind't make it past the first round and missed playoffs more than half their career deserve to be ranke doutside the top 2 5?
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:38 pm

PeediSigel wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
PeediSigel wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
PeediSigel wrote:What people need to realize with Akeem, the year he won DPOTY, Finals MVP, and MVP, is that nothing's to be taken away from him for that, he worked his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] off, and definitely earned those awards. But with the revisionism of Olajuwon's career that's took place over the past several years, people are treating that year like he always played like that, and was finally getting his due or something. No, not even close. Let me put this into perspective, so it can be understood:

Pure hypothetical, let's say Dwight Howard were to accomplish the same feats, let's say next year. Most people wouldn't be saying "see, I KNEW he had it in him!" or "best player in the league" or anything of that nature. Aside from the casuals, most would be saying things something like: "it's about time", "didn't know he had it in him" "WOW!", etc. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Howard's as good as Olajuwon or anything, nor am I trying to imply Olajuwon wasn't great, just making note that those accomplishments for Olajuwon were more or less redemption; remember, he was just removed from having missed the playoffs in his prime, and accused of quitting on his team, faking an injury, due to a contract dispute. Nor was he thought of as good as the likes of Earvin, Jordan, Bird at ANY one point. He was not playing like that his entire career, and he didn't keep it up afterwards either, as evidenced by getting swept out the playoffs right after his title in '96, and failing afterwards with more talent than he's had before

I just have one question for the Olajuwon fans: if he was SO good and dominant during his title runs, how come he wasn't doing this his entire career?


Is this David Robinson? Lol. Do you realize how baseless your post sounds? We can do this with any great. What was Shaq doing all those years outside of his 3 peat? How come he couldn't win more? Or KG? How come he only won one ring and barely did anything with the Timberwolves? I mean we can do this with any great. You just seem to have a serious disdain for the guy for some reason. This must be David Robinson. Still bitter about the legendary schooling you took? Did you know that year, Robinson was not only the regular season MVP but his Spurs had the best record in the league? The Rockets weren't supposed to win but you keep saying that Hakeem's Rockets had a cake walk in thise two years. Anyways, agree to disagree.


Ok tell me, why should someone that couldn't make it past the first round more than HALF their career, deserve to be ranked outside the top 25?


You know your hero KG is much worse than Hakeem. He was eliminated in the 1st round 8 times and advanced further 5 times. He also missed the playoffs 5 seasons. Doesn't change the fact that both are all time greats.


And for that, KG isn't outside the top 25. Now enough deflection, why should someone else that dind't make it past the first round and missed playoffs more than half their career deserve to be ranke doutside the top 2 5?


Well, with the way you nitpick his flaws, he shouldn't even be a hofer. But here we go:

He carried his team to back to back championships and won 2 finals mvp awards. Now that alone is truly rarified air, something only a handful have ever accomplished. And the first gauge of evaluating a true great are rings. Just look at Lebron and how he was perceived before and after winning it. He won a regular season mvp and two dpoy awards. He is the only player ever to win the regular season mvp, dpoy and finals mvp in the same season.

In terms of his game, i consider him to be the best two way center ever with Kareem. And his game was pure poetry. His footwork so good even greats like Kobe and Lebron seeked his advice. And this is a center teaching smaller guys. It's supposed to be the other way around. That's how agile and light of foot he was. He is the most physically gifted center ever. I don't mean just explosive vertical like Dwight Howard. I mean the most fluid and agile center ever. His lower body agility and fluidity was truly like a guard's. And he had plenty of natural quickness and explosion to add to his agility. The guy could do anything on a basketball court and even things a center shouldn't like face you up 20 feet from the basket and take you off the dribble. And i already mentioned his unreal post moves. The guy had amazing touch. He was a terror on the D end. Altering so many shots and affecting how teams attack the paint. Amazing help defender.

He has all of the personal hardware to go along with the rings. When you look at his body of work and his rare skills and talents, he is in my top 15. Not too many accomplished more than him.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby PeediSigel on Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:53 pm

No, those two years alone don't make him a top-15 player. He didn't make it past the first round more than half his career. If he was so good at "carrying" teams to championships, how come he wasn't doing this his entire career?

And not too many players can say they've not made it past the first round more than half their career, he does have that accomplishment
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby PeediSigel on Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:01 pm

And of the course the ONLY reason he's the only player to win all those awards in the same season, is due to the fact that the DPOY award hadn't existed before a certain period, so you stop savoring that lollipop
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:20 pm

I'm pretty sure you're Mr. Robinson.

But had he not won a ring, he would be in the class of Malone, Barkley, etc. Greats who never won a ring but were great enough to win a regular season mvp (rare feat in itself) to go along with all of the personal accolades and numbers. But what shoots him up the list and way past those guys is that he did carry two teams to titles and has the 2 finals mvp awards. It's not really complicated. I don't know why you're making it such.

Good night Mr. Robinson. I know you still have nightmares about that series.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby PeediSigel on Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:34 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:I'm pretty sure you're Mr. Robinson.

But had he not won a ring, he would be in the class of Malone, Barkley, etc. Greats who never won a ring but were great enough to win a regular season mvp (rare feat in itself) to go along with all of the personal accolades and numbers. But what shoots him up the list and way past those guys is that he did carry two teams to titles and has the 2 finals mvp awards. It's not really complicated. I don't know why you're making it such.

Good night Mr. Robinson. I know you still have nightmares about that series.


Going by your arbitrary logic, Chauncey Billups > John Stockton, considering he has the ring and FInals MVP.

And why wasn't he carrying teams to championships his entire careeR?
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby PeediSigel on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:46 am

The team that wins each year is the best TEAM. That is usually determined by how the parts FIT.

This idea that it's one individual who's just strapping a team on his back is FOR RETARDS. I understand idiots like LGL need SIMPLIFIED CONCEPTS because they are ABSOLUTELY RETARDED but seriously, I urge you not to be SUCH A ****ING RETARD.



SERIOUSLY, LGL YOU'RE A RETARD.



This obsession with player pecking orders "who's first option, who's second option" is for DUMB BETAS who need to know the pecking order for who they should worship in what order. It's a ****ing team game LGL you stupid ****. You are a ****ing DUMB BETA for obsessing over how one player "leads his team" relative to another. You need to know who the "leaders" are so you can suck their **** in the hopes of getting complimented like a ****ing school girl. **** off f@ggot.


The reason some say Thomas > Olajuwon is because they are making a judgement by comparing the two as BASKETBALL PLAYERS. Not your faktarted "how far does this team go with this first option and how many rings do they get, does he get fmvp? what if he was second fiddle and he won 3 rings and he had 1 fmvp, does that make him better than the batman who had 2 rings with 0 fmvp?" I mean you have no idea how ****ing stupid you sound when you make up arbitrary formulas based on rings and fmvp to rank players. That **** is for the common, average, mindless idiot who needs something he can remember and repeat to feel involved in the conversation.

Seriously, some of you are such imbeciles. No wonder the world has so many problems. It's filled with a population full of bleeting zombies who have no idea what kind of [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] they support or why. Just repeat whatever is easiest to understand. ****ing weak man.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Weezy on Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:23 am

Let's Go Lakers, I wouldn't even bother responding to that post if I were you, it can go nowhere good. It has been brought to the attention of the staff and will be dealt with.

For now, PeediSigel, I will just say you broke many site rules here. You can't curse at other members, you can't call other members names, you can't personally attack members, and you can't bypass the swear filter to post inappropriate words here like you did above by adding "@" in place of an "a" in a word above. And a personal thought from me, we're you heavily drinking when you typed that, seriously? That was nonsense, especially the last paragraph about the world having problems because people argue one ball player is better than another, and it was really inappropriate all around. If you can't argue here without getting angry, without getting personal, without sticking to attacking the argument and the post not the poster, you're not going to be able to make it here very long. You might not agree with LGL here, but he didn't resort to name calling, screaming obscenities, childish name calling, and using words that are offensive to certain people, and you did, needlessly. If you don't agree to that strong a degree, just walk away, I mean damn, a basketball discussion.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby John3:16 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:45 am

So that escalated pretty fast. Anyone watch the Isiah video I posted a page or two back?
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:35 am

^^I did….. but that must have been altered with CGI…. I've been told that Hakeem is sooooooooooo much better than Isaiah it's not funny. Not sure how he made it through training camp actually….. :man12:

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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby John3:16 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:25 am

:man10: :man10:

But I got it from YouTube.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby thkthebest on Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:08 pm

Lol. What the heck happened here?

I like that Garnett is getting some praise here. Unfortunately for him, he'll be rated/ranked lower than he should be when people look back at it because of his lack of rings. He stuck with such a crappy team with an incompetent FO for far too long. In terms of just individual skills, athleticism, and BBIQ though, he had the total package and is without a doubt one of the greatest ever. He's not as good as Malone or Duncan in some senses, but he's also the type of player that you can put on any team and have no problem fitting in.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:46 am

I'd rather have KG over (Karl) Malone.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Barnstable on Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:22 am

Magic Skywalker wrote:I'd rather have KG over (Karl) Malone.


Tough call for me. I'd take Duncan over either, but between KG and Malone, either would be a fine pickup IMO.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:04 am

^^Those 3 are the best PF's of the last 25 years. In evaluating them I also look at longevity and Malone would rise to the top for me. Duncan has been great as has Garnett but at their age Malone was nearly an MVP. He won the award as a 35 year old as well. If it weren't for the knee injury in LA he had a real shot at Kareem's record.

If Jordan hadn't been in the same era as Karl he may have won 5 MVP's..... he was that good and consistent.

Garnett has fallen off quite a bit and Duncan is fading as well.

... as always... I don't put team accomplishments in the mix when evaluating individual players. :man12:
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:36 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^Those 3 are the best PF's of the last 25 years. In evaluating them I also look at longevity and Malone would rise to the top for me. Duncan has been great as has Garnett but at their age Malone was nearly an MVP. He won the award as a 35 year old as well. If it weren't for the Vanessa Bryant incident in LA he had a real shot at Kareem's record.

If Jordan hadn't been in the same era as Karl he may have won 5 MVP's..... he was that good and consistent.

Garnett has fallen off quite a bit and Duncan is fading as well.

... as always... I don't put team accomplishments in the mix when evaluating individual players. :man12:


Fixed it for you….. :man12:

(though honestly his mother's passing took away most of his incentive to still play and work as hard as the great ones work)
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:25 pm

Barnstable wrote:
Magic Skywalker wrote:I'd rather have KG over (Karl) Malone.


Tough call for me. I'd take Duncan over either, but between KG and Malone, either would be a fine pickup IMO.


Agree with that. Duncan's definitely my pick between the three of them, and yes, KG vs Malone makes a really interesting debate.

Malone certainly wins in longevity, guy was a beast in that regard, but I think KG was the most dominant between the two comparing their primes. It really is, as you say, that both would be a fine pickup.

Also, if talking about PF, I think one that tends to get overlooked in the discussion is Dirk, maybe because of that upset in 2007, but still with that, the guy has been just incredible throughout his career, and I honestly think he should have two rings.

Going back to the topic, I'd definitely take Isiah over Hakeem, even though, of course, both were really great players.

Those Pistons were one of the many great teams from the 80s, and no, and that's definitely thanks to Isiah. The little guy was a beast, and one of the very few point guards in NBA history to actually lead a team (with a heavy point guard offense) to a title (actually two). In 1989 his Pistons dominated the Playoffs while beating in the way Boston (without Bird, but it was pretty obvious that they'd won even if Boston had Bird... and they still had Parish and McHale), Chicago (with Jordan, Pippen and Grant) and the Lakers (Magic, Worthy and someone that kinda looked like Kareem).

Hakeem was great, but his competition wasn't that great in his back to backs, honestly. Knicks were a good team, but nothing spectacular, and they barely beat them (and Orlando was still too young). The only team that really was consistently good in the 90s were the Bulls. I do have to give to Hakeem that 86 Finals though. That was a good run, but they came up short against Larry Bird and the Celtics.

I do think Hakeem was a great player throughout almost his whole career, it's just that I think Isiah was even better.
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Re: Isaiah Thomas or Hakeem Olajuwon?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:05 pm

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