PeediSigel wrote: Lets Go Lakers wrote: PeediSigel wrote:
John3:16 wrote:How many actually saw both? I did. Both were amazing. Definitely not a lopsided question as the poll results suggest.
Let's be honest. Hakeem only won his rings because Jordan was striking out in some small town. Zeke won his rings in the toughest era ever.
Tough to pick between a PG and a center. Can't go wrong with either.
The thing with Olajuwon I'm starting to notice, is that the opinions of him gradually become more and more extreme. Whenever he loses, it's not his fault, he was playing with scrubs, yet when he wins, he gets all the glory, and gets accredited to playing with scrubs. He could score on triple teams, soar the length of the court, and block shots without breaking a sweat, and could shake his way out of a straight jacket. Compare him with LeBron and he'll win that poll with ease. Start a thread comparing him to Duncan and they'll say he was five times better at literally every skill in existence. Start a thread comparing him to Jordan and they'll take Olajuwon. Compare him to anyone else, still Olajuwon. Pit him 1-on-5 against an all-time team, still Olajuwon. Pit him in the Olympics by himself, still Olajuwon. First pick in an All-Time draft, Akeem Olajuwon. Any blemishes on his career - believe it or not, he has them - are conveniently wiped away from existence and attributed to some other BS. He has become so comically overrated by tons of folks who want to act like they're the smartest person in the room that it's downright sickening.
And you seem to be on the other end of the spectrum where you can't give him enough credit. He is the only man to win titles during Jordan's championship reign. We can talk about different scenarios of what would've happened had Barkley, Robinson, Ewing or Shaq, etc or any other great player from that era had won during that two year window when MJ was out instead of Olajuwon. But they didn't and Olajuwon did. He saw and he conquered them all. He played in maybe the toughest era for centers and he schooled other all time great centers. That type of stuff counts for a lot. Who can ever forget his undressing of the regular season MVP Robinson in that one playoff series? That's legendary stuff. The type of stuff that will be talked about 50 years from now. The guy was already a great C before he won rings but after his back to back runs, he cemented himself amongst the all time greats. That's how greats are measured in basketball.
As for his game, I don't think there was anymore more complete. He was the best two way player ever along with Kareem. I mean you know you got some serious footwork when other all time greats want lessons from you. And this guy is a center teach guards/forwards about footwork!!! It's supposed to be the other way around. If you had to draw up the perfect C in terms of physical attributes, Olajuwon would be it. His lower body footwork and agility was simply off the charts. He took guys off the dribble on a regular basis!!! Centers aren't supposed to do that.
I think Olajuwon is one of the top 12-15 players of all time. Do you disagree with this ranking?
I'm of the end of the specturm, where I realize Akeem had the best collection of veteran talent in the 90's, next to Michael. I give him his props for holdin' it down on both ends; he had a lotta responsibility. However his cast doesn't get enough credit, as he had Horry, a man that routinely stepped it up in the clutch, gave great floor spacing, great defense; a truly reliable role player in every sense of the word, and was ultimately almost as important for Los Angeles' title in '02 then the famed 1-2 punch of Shaquille and Kobe. If i'm not mistaken he even was the bridesmaid to the Finals MVP in '95. Then there was Mario Elie, Mad Max, Otis Thorpe, Sam I Am, Kenny Smith, man he had a TEAM! In '95, he had almost 5 guys average double figures, and they were arguably the league's best defense in '94.
Of all the teams he beat those two years, I'd confidently say he had the better team. Why does he get credit for beating teams he's supposed to beat? His team was dealing with injuries in '95, and they acquired Drexler after the AS break, so I could care less about what he did in those playoffs on the road. We wouldn't be giving Jordan that kind of praise for beating teams he's supposed to, even if on the road , so it doesn't make sense to gvie Olajuwon praise about it, unless we're admitting maybe he wasn't as good as we thought, if there was to be doubt, not having too high expectations of him.
And people give too much credence to that one
series aganist the Admiral, I doubt a lotta people even watched the series. I'm not saying Robinson wasn't floored, however many just gloss over the fact that Robinson was guarding Olajuwon on an island, while having to deal with double and triple teams on the other end. Didn't of course help that Rodman was playing lazy center field on Horry that series, and refused to guard Olajwuon, and refused to help even double.
Take at look at this:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=robinda01&p2=http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=ewingpa01http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=onealsh01&p2=olajuha01 http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=abdulka01http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=malonka01 http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=mchalke01
These are his H2H's against six different big men, from 3 different eras. As you can see, he's not "conquering" anyone, nor was he considered head and shoulders against these guys, much less better. While the numbers are very close, he has a LOSING record against every single one of them. While part of this is team, with the numbers being so close, this has to be taken into consideration. The only player he has a clear advantage on is Ewing, but big Pat battled him even in the W/L department. That's a whole lotta "domination", not to mention all the third teams he has, lol I doubt he woulda made the 1st team in '96 either if David hadn't got injured.
And Wilt unquestionably in my mind is the most complete big ever, with Alcindor unquestionably being ahead, and I'd argue Garnett as well. You know, top 15 seems to be pretty high for Olajuwon, as there's been a lotta great players. I 'd say top 20-25
EDIT: Oh, and the 70's was the best decade for 5's by FAR, not even close