Lets Go Lakers wrote:PeediSigel wrote:Lets Go Lakers wrote:Rooscooter wrote:^^Just what he said about Wilt and Russell is enough to discredit further analysis..... clearly not in touch with anything other than BasketballReference.com and YouTube highlight reels.
Kareem was asked who the most difficult player he'd every played against and it was an immediate response...... and it wasn't Hakeem either. It was another of those shallow pool HOF'ers from the age where no one cared.....
Finally the argument that the game didn't get popular until the 80's on a mass scale is something I can get behind.... HOWEVER.... the kids in the mid 80's that began to love the game didn't come of age to play the game at the pro level until the mid 90's at least..... so the argument that the talent pool he uses is bogus. The players in the 80's were watching the game when I was.... in the late 60's and early 70's.....
What is it with you? You always resort to personal attacks at some point. That's why i'm always hesitant to engage with you.
But anyways, Jordan has said several times that Mitch Richmond was his toughest competition. It's a credit to Mitch but not much more than that. Every player has certain players that give them trouble. Besides, Kareem never faced peak Hakeem. Hakeem was a dominant force when he came on board as a rookie but wasn't fully polished until the early 90's. And Hakeem took care of the best of his era when it mattered most in legendary fashion.
I started watching basketball closely around 1987. So anything prior to that is based on what i've read, videos, accepted.knowledge, etc. And maybe i'm hard on Wilt and Russell for this reason.
Peace grumpy guy.
When he was fully "polished" in the early 90's, he was getting waxed by that guy in your avatar, and missing the playoffs completely...
What is it with these Akeem disccssions, that people have to only focus on those two years? Kareem hands him his ***, "he was too young", Shaquille hands him his ***, "he was too old". If Akeem was really so dominant and this great player, and carried rather weak rosters to championships, then why wasn't he doing this his entire career?? This n all honesty is why Akeem's a top-25 player all-time, as I don't even think he's better (although it's very close) than Zeke, and most don't consider him higher than top-25 (which is right where he belongs). This is not to not mean he wasn't a legendary player, and perhaps wasn't blessed with certain things other were, but no other players get these passes, and Akeem's no exception, tough luck. Impact is subjective, results are real
The guy won two rings. He came on board as a rookie in possibly the toughest era in basketball history. Did u expect him to conquer Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics as a young player? I mean i really don't know what you want from the guy. When you look at his accomplishments both personal and team to go along with his skill level and talent, he should be in most people's top 15 atg list. If you are beng objective you have too.
Just like i say that Kareem is the only guy who can make an absolutely legit claim at being the best ever right there with MJ when you look at his body of work. For me, there is MJ and Kareem and then everyone else. Because if you are being objective, they should be top 1-2.
How is he top-15, when he's absolute worse case scenario just as good as Thomas, when he isn't objectivbely ranked inside the top 20.
The fact that (I maybe assuming, excuse me if I'm wrong) you call yourself a Lakers fan, and rank AKeem over Elgin Baylor and George Mikan is SHOCKING! I'm curious, whre do you rank these two players, as well as the likes of Cousy, Havlicek, Pettit, Garnett?