James Harden: $80m Extension With Rockets

Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby dj vitus on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:34 pm

BDG wrote:Wow kinda shocking how quickly they pulled the trigger on this.

I think the biggest loss here for OKC was athleticism. That was a big part of who they were.

Now I don't really know if that's their identity anymore.

The Rock wrote:Martin expiring contracts allow them to play in Free agent market, they can use that Toronto pick to bag a nice young role player in the draft (mid teens pick)
Unless I'm missing something, OKC doesn't have cap space next year. Durant, Westbrook, Perk & Ibaka all have big contracts that don't expire for a bit.

Jeremy Lamb is pretty athletic, but not sure how he'll pan out...
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby BDG on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:37 pm

^ Yes true, but I don't know if he'll be ready to help them for this year (or next) even if he does pan out.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:41 pm

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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:45 pm

Let's see here. The Thunder cannot compete with our starting lineup. Their major advantage over us was their bench, especially Harden. We made some strides to close the gap by signing Jamison. Jamison still has gas in the tank, but he's not anywhere near Harden's productivity level. Bringing in Martin only helps to close the gap between their bench and ours.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:48 pm

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Snake Eyes wrote:Kevin Martin and James Harden are not that different statistically. The only major difference is at the three point line.

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Statistics tell very little of the story here. Martin is always injured, and has never played in a significant game I can remember. Harden was a huge piece of OKC, he had a bad Finals, but before that he was clutch all playoffs, if take Harden over Martin every time. Seems like kind of a weak trade for OKC to me, unless Lamb is betted than anticipated.


Martin is also one of the worst defenders in the league.

But yeah now looking at it, OKC is clearly worse this season but they set themselves up nicely for the future and didn't lose Harden for crap since they refused to give him the max. I still think it's kind of crazy how they broke up the group so quickly after it brought them so much success, but I guess Presti figured it was just better to get it over with now.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Alleyhoops on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:51 pm

One less aggressive OKC player to put pressure on Dwight's foul count.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:52 pm

The Dallas pick is top 20 protected. Toronto pick top three protected this yr., but moves only if Toronto in lottery for next six seasons.


Granted the 2nd round pick will be via the Bobcats (who suck) so it will be higher in the 2nd round...but those picks OKC got weren't even that good. The Toronto pick will give OKC a lottery pick, but not the top 3 for at least the next 2 seasons.

Also alot of folks are like wtf because the OKC offer was 54M/4years while Harden wanted the max of 60M/4years....but essentially Houston can give him more money with an extra 5th year at the max. Obviously that is alot more money than the 6M difference over 4 years that is being reported.

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• Who benefits? The teams benefit here, just as they do with shorter free-agent contracts -- teams' future salary commitments are reduced. In addition, limiting extend-and-trade contracts to three seasons (including the seasons remaining on the player's current contract) helps reduce situations like the one the Nuggets were in last season with Carmelo Anthony.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby kenzo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:54 pm

The Rock wrote:- This hurts OKC in the short term which helps the Lakers (since we're only worrying really about this year and next year)
- OKC gets better long term because Jeremy Lamb is a good player. Martin expiring contracts allow them to play in Free agent market, they can use that Toronto pick to bag a nice young role player in the draft (mid teens pick)

I think both teams win.

True. Having said that, why NOT WIN NOW? This sets them back, good for us :jam2: Looks like they felt too much in love with draft picks and prospects.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:54 pm

After they couldn't sign him he was gone at the end of the year for nothing anyway. They got some return but the Ibaka contract is the real culprit here.....

Seems good for us......
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby John3:16 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:54 pm

Doc Brown wrote:OKC just got worse IMO.


No doubt. OKC offered a fair contract. Harden screwed up, IMO.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby Tragic on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:56 pm

I can't believe he was traded to the Rockets...The deal was for Jeremy Lamb and Kevin Martin. Did NOT see that coming.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:01 pm

Just for some giggles...

Kobe averages 31 / 7 / 6 on 48% shooting when he goes head to head with Kevin Martin. :man10:

D12 averages 20/14/4 on 55% shooting when playing against Hasheem Thabeet (new backup C).

Translation no Harden,no Aldrich.......if Perkins/Thabo get in foul trouble.....Kobe/D12 will feast
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:02 pm

John3:16 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:OKC just got worse IMO.


No doubt. OKC offered a fair contract. Harden screwed up, IMO.


He's gonna sign a max contract extension for $60 million by the end of next week
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:02 pm

A follow up to my post earlier:

The Thunder will receive the Toronto pick this year if it's slotted Nos. 4-14. That pick also is top-three protected in 2014, top-two protected in 2015 and top-one protected in 2016.


Yep this proves that smaller markets just can't hang with the big boys no matter how much you alter the CBA.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:03 pm

you can't believe the stats in this case. harden is a superior player to kevin martin in pretty much every way. really a bad move for the thunder in the present

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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:04 pm

CaCHooKa Man wrote:
John3:16 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:OKC just got worse IMO.


No doubt. OKC offered a fair contract. Harden screwed up, IMO.


He's gonna sign a max contract extension for $60 million by the end of next week


If its for 5 years at the max it could be closer to 75M. Granted he's 23 and does have significant skills...but dude isn't a max player. Either way, Houston will do it and Harden will be officially off the market for a good while.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:07 pm

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Trouble in OKC? Bad news if the players aren't digging this and knowing how close Durant/Harden/Westbrook are, I can't see this sitting well with the season right around the corner.
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:08 pm

the season starts tuesday...and harden is gone...poof. that can't make for good juju
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:10 pm

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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby kenzo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:11 pm

This Lamb kid can ball. He's butt ugly but he can play. If Martin stays healthy, he can post up Harden like numbers... still HOU won this one (i think) :man12:
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:21 pm

Well I guess OKC reaaaaaallly wanted K-mart. Check out Lamb's "best case" NBA equivalent

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeremy-Lamb-6380/

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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby GoldHammish on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:22 pm

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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby The Rock on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:23 pm

Thats crazy. Their offer was just $4.5 mil short and he wouldn't accept it and they promptly traded him
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:24 pm

he played hard(en)-ball and lost. enjoy sucksville, texas
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Re: ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:28 pm

The Rock wrote:Thats crazy. Their offer was just $4.5 mil short and he wouldn't accept it and they promptly traded him


I personally don't think that's the case Rock. Houston can elect to give him a 5th year at the max, so now the difference becomes about 20M. Harden definitely got burned cause he really liked his situation in OKC, but dude will get paid handsomely.
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