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Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:23 am

James Harden Believes Extension Will Be Reached With Thunder

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By Jenni Carlson | Published: October 1, 2012

James Harden says he wants to stay in Oklahoma City and play with the Thunder.

He reiterated as much Monday at Thunder media day.

“Of course I want to be here,” he said.

But the clock continues to tick. Harden and the Thunder must agree on terms to a contract extension by the end of this month. An offer has been made, the sides are talking, but if a deal is not done by Oct. 31, the versatile guard will be eligible to become a restricted free agent next summer.

If it gets to that point, there's no way the Thunder will be able to match the huge contract some team will surely offer him.

So, the question is this — is Harden ready to leave all this?

That is the question Harden must ask and answer in these contract negotiations. Is he ready to leave a still youthful but supremely talented team that went to the NBA Finals last season? Ready to leave a nucleus that only seems to get better? Ready to leave a franchise that has built a culture that players rave about?

Sure didn't sound like it Monday.

Harden repeated his willingness to sacrifice to stay with the Thunder, asserting that a max contract wasn't a necessity. He even went so far as to say he believed a deal would be done by the Oct. 31 deadline.

“That's why I'm not too worried about it,” he said.

Maybe the Thunder can re-sign Harden after all.

Crunching the numbers and listening to the qualifiers thrown around by the Thunder brass, it hasn't seemed like keeping Harden would be possible. Surely, he would want more money than the team could handle.

Getting a deal done still seems like an extremely long shot — how much can the Thunder really offer without putting itself in luxury-tax jeopardy? — but listening to Harden on Monday, it didn't seem completely impossible.

“We've built a brotherhood here, a brotherhood that's hard to break,” he said. “Other teams are just teammates, but we're really brothers.”

More than anything, re-signing Harden is a test of the Thunder Way.

Sam Presti is the architect of that system. The Thunder general manager has always said it was his intention to build a successful franchise that would be sustainable over the long term, even in a small market like Oklahoma City. That meant drafting players who were not only great players but also great teammates, putting a higher value on sacrifice and team than on ego and self, then affording those players every advantage in training, fitness, nutrition and medical know-how.

The players, for example, are fed breakfast and lunch on practice days. That might seem small, but it's not something most teams do.

Add up all the things like that the Thunder does, and it makes for a first-class organization.

That's what Kendrick Perkins called the franchise shortly after the Thunder acquired him from Boston a few years back. And that's one of the reasons that shortly after he arrived, he signed a long-term deal with the Thunder. He realized quickly that he wanted to stay and be a part of this team, even if it meant not testing the open market to see if he get more money.

The same could be said for Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, Thabo Sefolosha, Nick Collison ... the list goes on and on.

The only time the Thunder Way didn't win out was with Jeff Green. The team offered him less than he wanted, and once both sides realized they were at impasse, the Thunder dealt him to the Celtics.

Green asked himself the question of whether he was willing to leave all this, and ultimately, he decided that he was.

Harden has to ask and answer the same question.

He talks often about his situation with Westbrook, who was in the same spot a year ago. Westbrook arrived at training camp without a contract extension, but he eventually signed a five-year, $80 million deal.

Even though those are big numbers, Westbrook actually sacrificed. He didn't hold out for a Derrick Rose contract, saving the Thunder a little over $3 million a year. He didn't demand an opt-out clause, helping secure the franchise's future.

Why'd he do all of that?

“I think we have something special here,” Westbrook said. “The organization. The fans. I don't think there's a team in the league that's like it.”

As Harden is talking to Westbrook, you can bet those are the type of things that are coming up.

Frankly, that's great news for the Thunder. Those kind of conversations are reminders to Harden about what he's already a part of, how special it is, how unique it is.

It's something, though, that he's already aware of.

“The support that I have here and that the Thunder has here is unreal,” Harden said. “I love this beautiful city.”

So, is he ready to leave all of this?

In the end, only Harden can answer that question, but if Monday was any indication, it sure seems the Thunder Way might ultimately hold some sway.

Jenni Carlson: Jenni can be reached at (405) 475-4125 or at jcarlson@opubco.com. You can also like her at facebook.com/JenniCarlsonOK, follow her at twitter.com/jennicarlson_ok or view her personality page at newsok.com/jennicarlson.


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Re: James Harden Believes Extension Will Be Reached With Thunder

Postby Tobias Funke on Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:37 pm

Id be interested to see how much money he'll be willing to give up to stay in OKC. I dont imagine its alot, but then I obviously dont know him so....
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Re: James Harden Believes Extension Will Be Reached With Thunder

Postby OX1947 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:55 pm

Even with a pay cut, their payroll will be huge and they will owe a lot in lux tax. The benefit will be that we wont have to hear about the myth of the small market not being able to compete.
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Re: James Harden Believes Extension Will Be Reached With Thunder

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:58 am

Sources: Mavericks Would Pursue James Harden In Free Agency

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The Dallas Mavericks are interested in pursuing James Harden should he become a restricted free agent in the 2013 offseason, according to sources.

Harden has until October 31st to reach an agreement on a contract extension with the Oklahoma City Thunder.

The Houston Rockets and Phoenix Suns are also expected to pursue Harden.


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Re: James Harden Believes Extension Will Be Reached With Thunder

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:03 am

Harden is going to get max, and I don't think he is good enough to lead a team as the man. I'd stick a buyer beware sticker with him.
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Re: Sources: Mavericks Would Pursue James Harden In Free Agency

Postby Magic Skywalker on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:59 pm

With Cuban, I'm pretty sure the Mavs will "almost" get James Harden this summer.
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James Harden Turned Down Four-Year, $52M Extension Offer

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:12 pm

James Harden Turned Down Four-Year, $52M Extension Offer

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By Adrian Wojnarowski

With a Wednesday deadline looming for a contract extension for James Harden, general manager Sam Presti and agent Rob Pelinka have been meeting for the past two days in Oklahoma City trying to work out a deal, sources told Yahoo Sports.

Harden, 23, recently turned down a four-year offer worth about $52 million, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Harden, last season's Sixth Man of the Year, has been pushing for a maximum contract extension of four years, $60 million.

Nevertheless, the fact the two sides are still negotiating suggests there could be a deal to be made somewhere between the Thunder's latest offer and Harden's desire for a max contract.

As the Thunder did in Serge Ibaka's four-year, nearly $50 million contract extension, sources said management will try to sell Harden on incentive clauses that could get his deal closer to the $60 million he wants.

Presti and Pelinka have talked frequently in the weeks leading up to Wednesday's midnight deadline, sources said. Pelinka knows Harden will likely command a maximum contract on the open market as a restricted free agent, and has little motivation to settle for much less.

As one league executive with relationships on both sides of the talks said, "You're asking a player to take less money and remain a non-starter. Harden can start and go make more money. …That's a tough sell."

What the Thunder have to sell is simple: a chance to stay with a championship contender and play with a core of young stars for whom he has great affection. Oklahoma City signed Ibaka in August. For the Thunder to pay Harden the maximum, they would push well into a luxury-tax scenario that owner Clay Bennett doesn't want to pay – for now, anyway.

The NBA's deadline for players in the draft class of 2009 to sign extensions is Wednesday. If not, Harden can become a restricted free agent on July 1. Several teams with salary-cap space, including the Phoenix Suns, are strong candidates to offer Harden a maximum contract.

If Harden doesn't sign the extension, several league executives believe Presti could begin to explore trades for Harden sooner than later. Most believe it would be riskier to overhaul the Thunder – a championship contender – near the Feb. 21 trade deadline because it's too close to the start of the playoffs.

Nevertheless, Oklahoma City's insistence that it won't pay a third player beyond Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook a max contract could ultimately be a bluff. The Thunder could simply insist that now, only to cave later and match an offer sheet in the summer.


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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby lakersStan24 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:47 pm

I See Harden Joining Miami
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:54 pm

Choke artist should have taken the cash.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:46 pm

He's gone.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby OX1947 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:20 pm

lakersStan24 wrote:I See Harden Joining Miami


Phoenix. Miami doesn't have money to pay 4 max contracts.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:39 pm

This puts OKC in a situation where they choose either Perkins or Harden.
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Postby kenzo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:51 pm

revgen wrote:This puts OKC in a situation where they choose either Perkins or Harden.

Probably... unless there's some "money under the table" thing going on. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka and either Harden or Porkins is still pretty good though.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:53 pm

To keep him they'll have to let go of more than Perkins. They'll probably have to let go of Maynor and/or Collison as well and those guys are pretty important for them.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby kenzo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:08 pm

I guess we'll find out soon.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:17 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Choke artist should have taken the cash.


What are you talking about..... Westbrook is signed.....
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:39 pm

therealdeal wrote:To keep him they'll have to let go of more than Perkins. They'll probably have to let go of Maynor and/or Collison as well and those guys are pretty important for them.


Harden at 15 million along with KD, Westbrook, and Ibaka is about 59 million total. Lux tax threshold is 70 million. That leaves 10 million for the other 9 players to fill a 13 man roster. Which is doable on rookie contracts and vet min deals but still very restrictive. Thabo, Collison, and Perry Jones III can't be let go unless it's done via trade. Maynor is a restricted FA after this season and could leave to go somewhere else.

IMO Harden wants 60 million guaranteed. They can only sign him to 4 years with an extension. They can sign him to 5 years at the end of the season. 60 million for 5 years would be more beneficial (bringing down the annual cost to 12 million/yr, which is about he same as 52 million for 4 years) for Harden and the team.
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Postby mastersworddude on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:14 pm

kenzo wrote:
revgen wrote:This puts OKC in a situation where they choose either Perkins or Harden.

Probably... unless there's some "money under the table" thing going on. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka and either Harden or Porkins is still pretty good though.

If OKC lets go of Porkins we knock them out 8/10.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:23 pm

^That's probably what Harden and the OKC management want to find out. Do they really need Perkins, or was his defense on Dwight back when they faced off in the eastern conference simply overrated?
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby strikemode14 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:25 pm

Me personally I think it's foolish for any athlete to turn down an extension. I know at the end of the year you could get more money but you are one injury away from getting ZERO.

All this said I think harden is overrated. No way he is a max guy. He came up super small in the finals.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:33 pm

^^Westbrook came up smaller the year before but he got a max deal.... OKC set the precedence.....

I don't think Harden is a "max" players either but he fits a whole hell of lot better with Durant than Westbrook does....

The anchor around their neck is the money they have tied up in the WAY overrated Perkins and Ibaka in the front court....
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby strikemode14 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:40 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Westbrook came up smaller the year before but he got a max deal.... OKC set the precedence.....

I don't think Harden is a "max" players either but he fits a whole hell of lot better with Durant than Westbrook does....

The anchor around their neck is the money they have tied up in the WAY overrated Perkins and Ibaka in the front court....


Honestly I think the whole Westbrook/Durant not working well together is overblown. I think westbrook is a good fit with durant. Durant really isn't a floor general. He can handle the ball but he isn't like lebron who has good court vision and is going to find people. He needs a guy like westbrook. Also too Durant isn't kobe who wants to jack up 30 time a game as well (not a knock on kobe BTW but durant just isn't that type of guy). so need Westbrook to shoot it. Now granted westbrook can go a little crazy but overall still think he is good.

The probelm with harden is he doesn't start. It makes me believe he is going to do well in the reg season against second unit guys but when the rotations tighten up in the playoffs he will struggle. That is a red flag to me. Also what scares me is the fact when in doubt he tends to flop...ALOT. There was one play in the finals no one was around him and instead of just attempting a layup he flopped.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby kenzo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:41 pm

Max player or not, he's getting it anyways (either from OKC or someone else). That's the way it is. Same thing with Westbrook, OKC had no other option.
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Re: James Harden Turns Down 4-Year, $52M Extension Offer (Pg. 4)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:29 pm

strikemode14 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^Westbrook came up smaller the year before but he got a max deal.... OKC set the precedence.....

I don't think Harden is a "max" players either but he fits a whole hell of lot better with Durant than Westbrook does....

The anchor around their neck is the money they have tied up in the WAY overrated Perkins and Ibaka in the front court....



The probelm with harden is he doesn't start. It makes me believe he is going to do well in the reg season against second unit guys but when the rotations tighten up in the playoffs he will struggle. That is a red flag to me. Also what scares me is the fact when in doubt he tends to flop...ALOT. There was one play in the finals no one was around him and instead of just attempting a layup he flopped.


Oh I agree.... Just don't forget the even larger choke job Westbrook did the year before in the playoffs. He was unbelievably bad and wouldn't stop shooting...... He got a max deal out of it....... I'm sure Harden is thinking he should as well.....
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ROCKETS to acquire James Harden!

Postby The Rock on Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:45 pm

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Houston Rockets close to acquiring James Harden from Oklahoma City in deal headlined by Kevin Martin, sources tell ESPN


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