Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby KB24 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:45 am

I had to wait a while for this before I could actually prove it

but then again, here an article in which this fool embarassed himself some time back and I wanted it to look very ridiculous before posting it..

The top 10 NBA general managers of the last decade

By Kelly Dwyer

We know there have been 10 full NBA seasons played since the phrase "Y2K" was on all of our lips (1999-2000), and here at Ball Don't Lie we've decided to use this as an offseason excuse to rank some of the best and not-so-brightest of the 10 campaigns in question. The result? Why, top 10 lists!

Hey, I don't care if it's the Clippers' war room — a war room is a war room. That's a Yeats paraphrase, I believe.

We've done this before, and though a lot has changed since 2007, the difficulty in ranking GMs stays the same.

After all, while everyone wants to win, teams have different ways of going about it. Some need to lose, for a few years, to win. Some need to stay mediocre, for a few years, to win. Some teams have $120 million to work with, after luxury taxes, some teams have half of that, some teams have a third of that.

Different value systems, different eras (is Sam Presti worse at his job right now than the GMs of the last two title-winning teams? You can't go on winning percentage, alone), different sets of rules. Stuck in a particular era, looking forward, with an eye (and heavy emphasis) on the last decade — here are our top 10 GMs.

10. Daryl Morey, Houston Rockets

Admittedly, Morey's presence on this list is due to one hot start, and a whole lot of optimism as his band of obscure role players head into 2009-10 without the services of Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady. There was a feeling about this team. It had Morey's stamp all over it, and it could weather the crap-storm it's had to deal with as Yao and T-Mac consistently pull up lame. And his 2008-09 turn wasn't all that bad, either.

9. Mark Warkentien, Denver Nuggets

He didn't finish the job, but the Nuggets' core was created by Kiki Vandeweghe, who saw fit to (finally) lay waste to former Denver prez Dan Issel's obsession with creating a .500-team back in 2001-02. Vandeweghe rebuilt and picked up Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin and Andre Miller in the process, while getting Denver back to the playoffs. And it should be noted that, after Vandeweghe was let go, Warkentien has had help — most notably from Rex Chapman and Bret Bearup — in the Denver front office.

Doesn't matter. Mark's fantastic at his gig. And a deserved winner of the 2009 Executive of the Year award.

8. Pat Riley, Miami Heat

Riley has made quite a few iffy moves, his Heat are always near the top of the league in payroll, he's obsessed with big names (who may not always be boasting big games at the point in their career that Riles acquires them), and he often seems a half-step away from returning to the coaching sidelines. Again.

But he's also rebuilt his Heat a few times, he's been in the playoffs seven times during the last decade, and while his moves during the summer of 2005 may have been pound-foolish, it won the man and his superstar (Dwyane Wade) a ring. Something you can't say for LeBron James' general manager.

7. Kevin Pritchard, Portland Trail Blazers

I can't say I'm as smitten with Pritchard as most. He has the luxury of dealing with Paul Allen's ("give ‘em $3 million and they'll give us Fernandez") money, but he also concocted a series of draft-day trades that could put his Trail Blazers into the NBA Finals as early as this season.

A good chunk of these deals were created by Pritchard while he served as the No. 2 behind the insufferable Steve Patterson, and while we're a little dubious as to how Portland used Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract and eventual cap-space hole (only Andre Miller? No trades? That's it?) you can't argue with a team this young and this good. Great, actually.

6. Mitch Kupchak, Los Angeles Lakers

If we're honest, it looked as if Kupchak didn't really understand what sorts of players fit best inside Phil Jackson's offensive and defensive systems. The guy should have studied at the feet of Jerry Krause, seriously, instead of signing Isaiah Rider.

Now, Mitch was hamstrung by an owner that didn't want to pay the luxury tax, and a top-heavy roster that left little wiggle room once Shaq and Kobe walked off with their cash. Still, it was a rough start, as the role players surrounding the 2001-02 and 2002-03 championship contenders were pretty awful, rebuilding was fitful, and we're two years removed from wondering if Andrew Bynum-for-Jermaine O'Neal is a good idea.

But smart lower-round draft picks, luck (other teams had better packages in place for Pau Gasol, but Memphis didn't want to deal; by the time Mitch came calling with his package, the Grizzlies were desperate to unload), and the help of Jim Buss (who pushed to draft and then keep Bynum) have had the Lakers in the Finals in consecutive years, with a win in 2009 and 2010.

5. Otis Smith, Orlando Magic

We're getting at a point in this list where you could easily switch one GM for another, and I'd have a hard time arguing against you.

Smith (and fellow Magic personnel man Dave Twardzik) had a rough start in Orlando, botching a draft (Fran Vasquez), a role-player signing (Keyon Dooling) and two coaching hires (Brian Hill, Billy Donovan). He then cleared the cupboard to sign Rashard Lewis, and though he was exactly what Orlando needed, you still don't pay $122 million for exactly what you need, unless he's named after a type of steak, shares initials with our 36th president, or has a mother who obviously didn't know how to spell the name "Dwayne." Among one or two others.

But Smith also worked well around the fringes, built around the pieces left for him (the previous administration was awful, but they did acquire Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson and Hedo Turkoglu), and had his team in the 2008 Finals.

4. Danny Ainge, Boston Celtics

If it seems odd to rank this guy so high, considering he's spent years presiding over some pretty rank teams, I can understand your fears. But this is a decade-long list, and while some of the men at the top of this page may have better futures (and won't have to pay Kevin Garnett over $21 million in 2011-12), Ainge's drafting acumen and willingness to take chances make him a winner in my book. If not one in the standings, from 2003 until 2007.

3. Donnie Nelson, Dallas Mavericks

No rings, I concede, but this is a decade-long list. And while I can't count the Shawn Marion-for-Steve Nash deal that helped turn the Mavericks around in 1998, to say nothing of drafting Dirk Nowitzki (both deals happened before 1999-00, a point that hurts Sacramento GM Geoff Petrie), I can admire the way Nelson (above, left) has sustained a winner for the bulk of this decade.

Nobody knows, exactly, how Dallas is going to put it all together with their older roster in 2009-10, but they should be a fun watch, an expected winner and the latest in a series of what should be 10 consecutive playoff appearances for Dallas. For someone who watched the team flail through the 1990s, that's still a little mind-boggling.

And, no, we're not going to mention Pavel Podkolzin.

2. Joe Dumars, Detroit Pistons

Bum moves, Joe's made a few. But he's been in the front office since 2000 and running things on his own since 2001, and the sheer amount of moves he's made has still left the Pistons in the playoffs for every season he's run things singularly. He's also presided over a title-holder, built solely around his trades and pick-ups.

Dumars started by playing it smart, working with teams in cap hell, leaving things flexible, sometimes acting as if Bird Rights didn't matter and he had an NFL-styled hard cap to work with. The Pistons were in the Eastern Conference finals every year between 2003 and 2008, and it was only the players' fault they didn't win more titles.

He's also screwed up a fair amount. Let the Larry Brown situation linger, let his players walk all over Flip Saunders, drafted Rodney White, drafted Darko Milicic, picked up lower-rung free agents that just didn't work, hired Michael Curry and seemed all too willing to quickly cash in his 2009 cap space for Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva — two nice players who might not even start for Detroit for spells next season.

Could it have been better? Yes, Detroit's run could have been much, much better. Spurs-like, better. But overall, it was still pretty damn good.

1. R.C. Buford, San Antonio Spurs

We don't know how much impact Gregg Popovich has had on Buford's wheelings and dealings, and R.C. has had help (current Oklahoma City GM Sam Presti was on his payroll for years). Buford also had nothing to do with the acquisitions of David Robinson (1987) or Tim Duncan (1997).

But there's no denying Buford's impact on the Spurs' rise to power this decade. Even though he technically wasn't the team's personnel boss (that would be Popovich) when the Spurs drafted Manu Ginobili (2000) or Tony Parker (2001), he was the man who recommended the franchise take both future All-Stars.

Buford's also emblematic of an organization that, from the owner on down, works together to sustain a winner, and stay frank and honest with themselves. Not a lot of game-playing in San Antonio, besides the 82 (and many, many extra playoff contests). They work from October until spring. Call it a symbolic choice, rail on me for not picking the lone GM gunslinger, despise the fact that, over 10 years after winning their first championship, the Spurs are still contenders under Duncan.

Do what you want. Organizations do win championships. The players are part of the organization, and the players need help. The executives need help, too, in the form of the expert player. The Spurs get this. Owner Peter Holt gets this, and Buford gets this. Unafraid to ask for help, unafraid to chase down a winner. And the results (the playoffs in every year, four championships overall, three during the decade in question) speak for themselves.

So I'll shut up.


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its good for a good laugh on a slow news week....

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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:52 am

I scrolled, saw Mitch was #6, saw some of the names in front of him, laughed, shook my head, kept scrolling, commented, exits thread....
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Congo Cash on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:53 am

Dumars at #2, unbelievable...
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby KB24 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:59 am

Doc Brown wrote:I scrolled, saw Mitch was #6, saw some of the names in front of him, laughed, shook my head, kept scrolling, commented, exits thread....


amazingly he says Mitch isn't good...it was luck (Gasol trade) and Jim Buss (Bynum) that kept the Lakers in contention. :man10:

in the last 5 years Mitch has gotten us 4 franchise players (in their prime or not)

Nash, Howard, Gasol, Paul

and amazingly the Lakers would have had Paul, Kobe and Howard now if it wouldn't be nixed.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby TIME on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:15 am

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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:43 am

KB24 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:I scrolled, saw Mitch was #6, saw some of the names in front of him, laughed, shook my head, kept scrolling, commented, exits thread....


amazingly he says Mitch isn't good...it was luck (Gasol trade) and Jim Buss (Bynum) that kept the Lakers in contention. :man10:

in the last 5 years Mitch has gotten us 4 franchise players (in their prime or not)

Nash, Howard, Gasol, Paul

and amazingly the Lakers would have had Paul, Kobe and Howard now if it wouldn't be nixed.


It's just baffling that he gave Mitch zero credit. I mean you can hate the guy for whatever reason, but to not give him one ounce of credit over the last 10-11 years for what he's built , tore down and built up even higher (D12/Nash/Kobe/Pau) as of right now is just down right laughable.

What that moron fails to realize is, even with Kobe's ridiculous contract (that he's earned every penny of), lack of assets and no cap room, Mitch has assembled arguably the greatest starting 5 in some time, while adding two nice bench players and resigning two young pieces, at a time when almost every team is trying to sell with the new CBA restrictions and absolutely zero wiggle room.

Does luck have anything to do with that? Yea, maybe, but it's definitely not the prevailing factor in the moves Mitch has pulled off. To deny all the work Mitch put in and relentless effort to try (successfully) and make moves that no one thought were possible is just hate plain and simple.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Weezy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:05 pm

It's not even that he has Mitch ranked 6th that is that bad to me, it's that he pretty much bashed him the entire few paragraphs he wrote about him. He pretty much only focused on the negative, and for praise he decided to throw "luck" in there. Mitch has some bad signings, some bad draft picks, some bad trades for sure, but what GM doesn't? His positives far outweighs the negatives at this point IMO, this is a guy who traded for Pau, Nash and Dwight, turned disgruntled players and crap into players that really helped us like Ariza and Shannon Brown, and drafted a lot of very late first rounders and second rounders that are still in the NBA many years later.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:13 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I scrolled, saw Mitch was #6, saw some of the names in front of him, laughed, shook my head, kept scrolling, commented, exits thread....


I did the exact thing except I read the comments in the thread first and then commented.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Magic Skywalker on Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:48 pm

Loved the last line of the article.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby purp n gold on Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:58 pm

How he manages to talk about Isiah Rider amidst successfully trading Shaq, parlaying Kwame into Pau [s]and getting Nash and Dwight for essentially Odom, Bynum and picks[/s] is an insult to me, you or anyone who has followed basketball.

Kelly Dwyer is the incarnate of idiocy. How he managed to snag a career writing about basketball is downright stupid luck.

EDIT: didn't realize the article was written in 2010. Still though, I suppose locking up Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon for 100 mil is a level of genius I don't understand... Lakers winning 2 'ships in 09-10? Tainted by acquiring Isiah Rider in 2001. Dwyer = still an idiot.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby John3:16 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:36 pm

Congo Cash wrote:Dumars at #2, unbelievable...


This was shocking to me too. Drafted Darko ahead of Melo, Bosh, and Wade.

Mitch at 6 is just stupid. Nothing more to say about that.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:25 pm

One question....What were the start and END dates of his top 10 rankings? Surely could not have been written after Mitch sexually had his way with Stern and rest of the league this year?

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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:29 pm

Mitch has made some very good decisions..... but there have been the clunkers too..... The Pau trade is still the biggest of his career IMHO...

I still remember vividly that he and Phil wanted Sean May over Bynum.... good thing the owner's kid got his way that day.....

Engineering the Nash acquisition also has the earmarks as a difference maker as well.....

Getting Howard will serve the Franchise well in the coming Kobe-less years and provide a base from which to build once the core retires or moves on..... but that trade was made possible by the much maligned Jim Buss.... not Mitch... no Bynum no deal there....

He got what he could get for Shaq and that trickled down into today's team with Nash and Pau.

He's done about as well as anyone in keeping the franchise at the top...... granted we spend more than almost anyone else as well.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby therealdeal on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:51 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:One question....What were the start and END dates of his top 10 rankings? Surely could not have been written after Mitch sexually had his way with Stern and rest of the league this year?

Right???

It really doesn't matter to be honest. He has Dumars at 2 and Mitch at 6. Even if that's before the Dwight trade, it's still wrong.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby MadMax on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:59 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I scrolled, saw Mitch was #6, saw some of the names in front of him, laughed, shook my head, kept scrolling, commented, exits thread....
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby BDG on Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:13 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I scrolled, saw Mitch was #6, saw some of the names in front of him, laughed, shook my head, kept scrolling, commented, exits thread....
Same

Bwahahaha

This guy might be the dumbest basketball writer out there.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby basketboy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:42 pm

TIME wrote:Kelly Dwyer scan pic:


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thats a lot bigger than i thought it'd be :O
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Balance&Options24 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:25 pm

Was this selection made prior to the Pau Gasol trade?? =/
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby purp n gold on Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:35 pm

Balance&Options24 wrote:Was this selection made prior to the Pau Gasol trade?? =/


After... Mr. Dwyer called it "luck".
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby The Original 81 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:56 pm

basketboy wrote:
TIME wrote:Kelly Dwyer scan pic:


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thats a lot bigger than i thought it'd be :O


Yeah, I was thinking it would be empty.
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Re: Kelly Dwyer vintage performance

Postby Weezy on Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:33 am

I didn't realize this was from 2010, the article makes at least a little more sense considering that.
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