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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:03 pm

Didn't see this posted yet..

Kendall Marshall plans to play for the Los Angeles Lakers' team in Summer League in July.

The Lakers have planned to pick up the non-guaranteed season on Marshall's contract for 2014-15.

Marshall averaged 8 points and 8.8 assists for the Lakers this season.

Via Mark Medina/Los Angeles Daily News
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:04 pm

trodgers wrote:Marshall out-assisted his counterpart to the tune of 14.6 to 9.1 per 48 (at PG), 15.6 to 4.8 (at SG), and 8.6 to 0.0 (at SF). So let's just suppose that only the PG stats are accurate.

Test: Marshall played 1564 minutes. His 477 assists are indeed 14.6 per 48 minutes. So if his counterpart numbers are accurate, that's 297 assists in those minutes.
So, Marshall handed out 23.8% of our assists. His counterpart handed out 14.1% of their assists.
If points are points, good job Marshall.

Where are all the other assists coming from - clearly not all from Marshall's man. Other people who played PG, assists allowed per 48:
Henry 11.7
Meeks 10.8
Nash 10.6
Blake 10.3
Marshall 9.1
Bazemore 8.6
Farmar 8.6
Good job, Marshall.



I'd like to see how other PG's did in MDA's system before I hop on the wagon. We know there are several that didn't translate very well to life after MDA in the past and they were more complete players than Marshall.

Don't get me wrong here.... he's got vision and takes care of the ball but we Lakers fans have little in recent memory to compare good PG play to and MDA's system has created reality distortion fields around a few in the past.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:54 pm

:what: Damn. He takes care of the ball really well with good damn handles, while keeping his head up so he can hit guys with a really good arsenal of passing skills. :jam2: Sometimes, like when he first got here he shoots the crap out of the ball, which he can work on to become more consistent and confident (at). But he's "PASS FIRST GUY". That's not a bad thing.

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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:00 pm

I liked what TRodgers said a few pages ago. If you look at his progression from year 1 to year 2, it's a pretty solid improvement.

For 900k, I'm more than willing to see if he can come back and add to his game again.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:39 am

Data on his improvement.

EFFICIENCY DATA
1. Scoring Efficiency
Year 1: .95 PPS, .20 PPM, 4.1 Scoring Efficiency
Year 2: 1.03 PPS, .27 PPM, 4.7 Scoring Efficiency

2. Passing Efficiency
Year 1: .72 AST/(AST+TO), .20 APM, 4.0 Passing Efficiency
Year 2: .76 AST/(AST+TO), .30 APM, 4.7 Passing Efficiency

3. Hustle Efficiency
Year 1: .043 HPM, .222 Good/Total, 1.89 Hustle Efficiency
Year 2: .043 HPM, .229 Good/Total, 1.90 Hustle Efficiency

4. Offensive Efficiency
Year 1: 64.4
Year 2: 83.6

5. Synergy (Estimated)
Year 1: 18.3 Possessions Consumed Per 36, 1.37 Points Produced Per Possession
Year 2: 24.4 Possessions Consumed Per 36, 1.50 Points Produced Per Possession


SHOOTING DATA
1. FG%/3pt%/FT%
Year 1: .371/.315/.571
Year 2: .406/.399/.528

2. TS%/eFG%
Year 1: .455/.447
Year 2: .494/.490


DEFENSIVE DATA
1. Opponent PTS/AST/REB per 48
Year 1: 21.0/8.8/5.2
Year 2: 23.4/9.1/5.7

2. Opponent PER
Year 1: 16.6
Year 2: 18.1

3. Estimated Opponent Offensive Efficiency
Year 1: 81.8 (5.7 Scoring Efficiency, 3.8 Passing Efficiency, 2.5 Hustle Efficiency)
Year 2: 87.3 (5.9 Scoring Efficiency, 3.9 Passing Efficiency, 2.6 Hustle Efficiency)
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:04 am

Roo, I know you don't like stats, and I'm not sure what you're looking for, so here's some data...

Mike D'Antoni - 12 seasons
PGs with at least 750 minutes played

Nick Van Exel 16.5/7.4/2.3 .398/.308
Chauncey Billups 15.1/4.2/2.3 .386/.362
Cory Alexander 12.1/5.5/3.4 .373/.286
Eric Washington 9.7/1.4/4.2 .397/.381

Barbosa 13.2/4.0/3.0 .447/.395
Marbury 18.0/7.1/3.0 .432/.314

Nash 16.3/12.0/3.5 .502/.431
Barbosa 14.6/4.2/4.3 .475/.367

Nash 19.2/10.6/4.3 .512/.439
Barbosa 16.8/3.6/3.4 .481/.444

Nash 19.0/11.9/3.6 .532/.455

Nash 17.8/11.6/3.3 .504/.470

Chris Duhon 10.9/7.0/3.0 .421/.391
Nate Robinson 20.7/4.9/4.7 .437/.325

Toney Douglas 15.9/3.7/3.6 .458/.389
Chris Duhon 8.6/6.6/3.1 .373/.349

Raymond Felton 16.0/8.5/3.4 .423/.328

Iman Shumpert 11.9/3.5/3.9 .401/.306
Jeremy Lin 19.6/8.3/4.1 .446/.320

Blake 10.0/5.3/4.0 .422/.421
Nash 14.1/7.4/3.1 .497/.438
Duhon 5.8/5.8/3.0 .382/.363

Blake 10.3/8.3/4.2 .378/.397
Farmar 16.4/7.9/4.1 .415/.438
Marshall 9.9/11.0/3.6 .406/.399

That's 25 of them.
Marshall's 9.9 points per 36 are 22nd.
Marshall's 11.0 assists per 36 are 4th.
Marshall's 3.6 rebounds per 36 are tied for 11th.
Marshall's FG% of .406 is 17th.
Marshall's 3pt% of .399 is 9th.

That's five categories, and his average rank is 12.6th.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby karacha on Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:39 am

So, he is right in the middle of the pack.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:32 am

Yes and slightly above average among non Nash PGs.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby jlkr on Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:08 am

So what's the debate then? The Lakers have a guy who produces like a mid-level PG on offense for the price of a minimum salary slot. Think this one is a no-brainer as far as keeping him goes.

Work on his shot, work on his defense, these are things he can do. Offensive precedent: Fisher made himself a pretty fair clutch shooter though it took him about 4 years to get to that point. Defensive precedent: I dunno, Marshall will never make anyone forget Westbrook when it comes to defending opposing PG's, but I think he has enough b-ball IQ to learn how to play team defense if playing for a coach like Thibs or JVG. If he can improve, I definitely see a decent journeyman career for him.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Armani on Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:26 am

He went through a stretch where he made less than 35 FG%... it lasted over 20 games. Oh, and he doesn't hit FT's either. If all you can do is pass, you're not going to make a ton of impact because defenses don't respect you. Despite his gaudy assist numbers, he isn't significantly helping this team. He's a 3rd string PG to me. I'll take him if he comes back for ~ 1 mil. He can replace Farmar if Farmar goes down with an injury next season... but I don't see him being consistent enough to be a backup PG, unless he really works on his shot this summer. Maybe Nash can mentor him there.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Barnstable on Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:33 pm

Armani wrote:He went through a stretch where he made less than 35 FG%... it lasted over 20 games. Oh, and he doesn't hit FT's either. If all you can do is pass, you're not going to make a ton of impact because defenses don't respect you. Despite his gaudy assist numbers, he isn't significantly helping this team. He's a 3rd string PG to me. I'll take him if he comes back for ~ 1 mil. He can replace Farmar if Farmar goes down with an injury next season... but I don't see him being consistent enough to be a backup PG, unless he really works on his shot this summer. Maybe Nash can mentor him there.


I think all of us that are enthusiastic about Marshal are expecting him to improve his scoring over the coming years. Again, he's only a second year player. For a second year, the assist numbers he put up were ridiculously good, the scoring showed promise as he could hit the 3 at a much better percentage than we expected coming in, and his defense wasn't as bad as some claimed.

The $900K price tag takes him from the "he's okay", to "he's a steal" category in my mind.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:06 pm

trodgers wrote:Roo, I know you don't like stats, and I'm not sure what you're looking for, so here's some data...

Mike D'Antoni - 12 seasons
PGs with at least 750 minutes played

Nick Van Exel 16.5/7.4/2.3 .398/.308
Chauncey Billups 15.1/4.2/2.3 .386/.362
Cory Alexander 12.1/5.5/3.4 .373/.286
Eric Washington 9.7/1.4/4.2 .397/.381

Barbosa 13.2/4.0/3.0 .447/.395
Marbury 18.0/7.1/3.0 .432/.314

Nash 16.3/12.0/3.5 .502/.431
Barbosa 14.6/4.2/4.3 .475/.367

Nash 19.2/10.6/4.3 .512/.439
Barbosa 16.8/3.6/3.4 .481/.444

Nash 19.0/11.9/3.6 .532/.455

Nash 17.8/11.6/3.3 .504/.470

Chris Duhon 10.9/7.0/3.0 .421/.391
Nate Robinson 20.7/4.9/4.7 .437/.325

Toney Douglas 15.9/3.7/3.6 .458/.389
Chris Duhon 8.6/6.6/3.1 .373/.349

Raymond Felton 16.0/8.5/3.4 .423/.328

Iman Shumpert 11.9/3.5/3.9 .401/.306
Jeremy Lin 19.6/8.3/4.1 .446/.320

Blake 10.0/5.3/4.0 .422/.421
Nash 14.1/7.4/3.1 .497/.438
Duhon 5.8/5.8/3.0 .382/.363

Blake 10.3/8.3/4.2 .378/.397
Farmar 16.4/7.9/4.1 .415/.438
Marshall 9.9/11.0/3.6 .406/.399

That's 25 of them.
Marshall's 9.9 points per 36 are 22nd.
Marshall's 11.0 assists per 36 are 4th.
Marshall's 3.6 rebounds per 36 are tied for 11th.
Marshall's FG% of .406 is 17th.
Marshall's 3pt% of .399 is 9th.

That's five categories, and his average rank is 12.6th.


Not that I don't like them. I think the limits of their predictability of a players overall value is over stated. The "money ball" stats that the Fantasy game has produced are the ones in particular I believe are not very representative.

The rap on MDA's former point guards is that they rarely do much after they leave his system (Nash aside). The system typically produces the highest assist numbers for PG's in their careers.

Now that's not a bad thing for a guy who has the ball as much as the PG's do in his system. If we have a system like his next year.... or even his (gasp) that's a good thing..... and especially for the price.

Problem is that he's not very good at much besides passing.... so he's pretty limited if we move to a system that is not so dependent on PG's. I guess I'm not seeing that he's made a huge jump in his game as much as he's found a great system for his one NBA level skill.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:34 pm

I get all that. Notice, though, that he improved all his stats that were a ratio of good to bad. In other words, regardless of whether he increased his RATE of doing good stuff (he did), he also increased good to bad (points per shot, assists to TO, and even steal to foul). That seems like improvement that can't be attributed to the system as easily as assists per minute, which clearly can, at least in part.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:53 pm

^^ Well I hope you are right.... He has one skill that is innate and can't be coached. The rest can be improved to a certain degree. I hope he turns into a decent and serviceable back up.... we could use a couple breaks if we are going to rebuild quickly.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:36 pm

I'm less worried about him than I am just about every other position. We have so many needs it's ridiculous.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:04 pm

trodgers wrote:I'm less worried about him than I am just about every other position. We have so many needs it's ridiculous.


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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:25 pm

Here is our opponent's efficiency at each position and where it ranks in the league:

PG: 26.1 (dead last)
SG: 21.1 (2nd to last)
SF: 23.6 (2nd to last)
PF: 28.9 (tied for 2nd to last)
C: 30.9 (2nd to last)

All these numbers tell us is that our opposing counterparts at each position were overwhelmingly efficient against us. Obviously there is no surprise why our defense was so piss poor. Also, with those numbers you can see that frontline opponents were more efficient against us than opposing backcourt players, but that can be expected since frontline players see a large majority of their shots and offensive activity, closer to the rim....so of course they would be more offensively efficient than a backcourt player. But look at the PG number, that number is highest amongst wing players, so you can safely assume that opposing guards got a good amount of their offensive production closer to the rim which is what increased their efficiency (ie dribble penetration).

Now lets look at net efficency (comparing Laker production vs the opposing production) & league ranking:

PG: 5.5 (2nd to last)
SG: 0.1 (16th)
SF: 3.9 (25th)
PF: 5.4 (27th)
C: 1.5 (21st)

From those numbers it looks like our shooting guards played opposing SGs to a stand still, so that matchup was a wash. Meanwhile, we got outscored the most by opposing PGs followed closely by opposing PFs. You can safely assume, our stretch 4 affected our PFs efficiency ratings. Also add to that how MDA forced Wes to play out of position at the 4 along with a rookie in Kelly rounding out the bulk of the minutes that were played at that position.

Now this isn't only directed at Marshall, but it seems like our weakest position was in fact the PG spot. At an unguaranteed 900K, its a no brainer to pick up Mashall's option, but until he proves otherwise, he has no business being our starting PG.

As for MDA and his PG driven offense....it was the root of our demise.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:50 pm

Or you could look at these numbers...

PER
PG 13.2 vs. 17.6 (-4.3) (2nd worst)
SG 15.2 vs. 16.3 (-1.1)
SF 13.3 vs. 14.7 (-1.4)
PF 14.8 vs. 20.0 (-5.2) (worst)
C 18.6 vs. 20.6 (-2.0)

Or individual at PG for LA
Farmar 16.1 vs. 14.5 (+1.7)
Blake 13.3 vs. 15.7 (-2.4)
Nash 15.7 vs. 21.8 (-4.0)
Marshall 12.7 vs. 18.1 (-5.4)
Henry 13.6 vs. 19.7 (-6.1)
Bazemore 13.2 vs. 19.5 (-6.3)
Meeks 9.1 vs. 19.2 (-10.1)

Marshall did his against starters. Lots of the others didn't. How do we know? He started most of our games at PG. They didn't. We need an upgrade at PG. We need an upgrade at every position on the team. We have finite resources. At 900k, Marshall will almost certainly be our best value on the roster next season. BTW, he's 22, didn't break down, and showed a willingness to work on his weaknesses. I'll roll with guys like him - and the Lakers surely will, too.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:09 pm

This is why I think it's a good idea to look at stats - financials, individual stats, and unit stats.

Armani wrote:He went through a stretch where he made less than 35 FG%... it lasted over 20 games.

No, he didn't. He went seven games in his longest stretch of the season.

Oh, and he doesn't hit FT's either. If all you can do is pass, you're not going to make a ton of impact because defenses don't respect you.

He did hit the fourth most threes on the team, shot the third best percent on the team, and was 33rd in the league in threes made by a PG and 21st in threes per game by a PG. So he can do things other than pass. How do you measure impact? We didn't win games, but that was something that happened all season. Suggestion: an easy bucket IS impacting the game.

Despite his gaudy assist numbers, he isn't significantly helping this team. He's a 3rd string PG to me. I'll take him if he comes back for ~ 1 mil. He can replace Farmar if Farmar goes down with an injury next season... but I don't see him being consistent enough to be a backup PG, unless he really works on his shot this summer. Maybe Nash can mentor him there.

He's due $900K next year. So this suggests that you don't know his contract situation.
Your claim about Farmar also suggests that you don't know his injury situation. Farmar missed 41 games this season, missed 43 games the last season he was in the league. And that's playing heavy reserve minutes (not starter minutes). Farmar is a good bet to break down.

As a reserve, Marshall averaged 21 minutes, 7.2 points, 5.3 assists, and 1.8 boards, shot 50% on FGs, 58% on threes, and 100% on FTs. In other words, he did a good job as a sub. He also had a positive +/- as a sub.

You saw a 22 year old playing against starters with a terrible team surrounding him and for some reason you decided that he isn't good enough to start, isn't good enough to be a sub, but could be on this team if he's third string for minimum money? Moreover, you did so based almost entirely on false claims. I don't see that as a very realistic and well-informed view.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby Armani on Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:07 pm

trodgers wrote:This is why I think it's a good idea to look at stats - financials, individual stats, and unit stats.

Armani wrote:He went through a stretch where he made less than 35 FG%... it lasted over 20 games.

No, he didn't. He went seven games in his longest stretch of the season.

Oh, and he doesn't hit FT's either. If all you can do is pass, you're not going to make a ton of impact because defenses don't respect you.

He did hit the fourth most threes on the team, shot the third best percent on the team, and was 33rd in the league in threes made by a PG and 21st in threes per game by a PG. So he can do things other than pass. How do you measure impact? We didn't win games, but that was something that happened all season. Suggestion: an easy bucket IS impacting the game.

Despite his gaudy assist numbers, he isn't significantly helping this team. He's a 3rd string PG to me. I'll take him if he comes back for ~ 1 mil. He can replace Farmar if Farmar goes down with an injury next season... but I don't see him being consistent enough to be a backup PG, unless he really works on his shot this summer. Maybe Nash can mentor him there.

He's due $900K next year. So this suggests that you don't know his contract situation.
Your claim about Farmar also suggests that you don't know his injury situation. Farmar missed 41 games this season, missed 43 games the last season he was in the league. And that's playing heavy reserve minutes (not starter minutes). Farmar is a good bet to break down.

As a reserve, Marshall averaged 21 minutes, 7.2 points, 5.3 assists, and 1.8 boards, shot 50% on FGs, 58% on threes, and 100% on FTs. In other words, he did a good job as a sub. He also had a positive +/- as a sub.

You saw a 22 year old playing against starters with a terrible team surrounding him and for some reason you decided that he isn't good enough to start, isn't good enough to be a sub, but could be on this team if he's third string for minimum money? Moreover, you did so based almost entirely on false claims. I don't see that as a very realistic and well-informed view.



What buckets? What are you raving about? None of my claims were "false", albeit they were taken from memory. I distinctly remember Marshall going through long stretches where he struggled to score AT ALL.

I am taking this directly from ESPN. His post all star numbers -

6 points, 8 assists @ 35 FG%, 32 3 PT%, 45 FT% . This is over a 29 game stretch.

So there you have it - he struggles to score. The gaudy pre-all star numbers were more than likely a fluke. Teams are generally taken off guard by unproven guys that have some talent. The numbers you posted as a backup PG were only over a 9 game stretch, which was towards the beginning of his career as a Laker, when D'Antoni didn't know what to do with him. Marshall has plenty to prove before he can be trusted as a backup PG. I am fully aware Farmar has injury issues, and that's why I said he'll do just fine as a 3rd string PG.

We're only getting excited because we never actually needed a true PG for over a decade, thanks to Kobe and the Triangle.. but no, Marshall is likely not the answer.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby themasterphil on Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:57 am

He can PASS, he cant shot and cant defend dead cat so with him as second PG I am all in , but with him as 1st PG we will be bad team without any chance to make PO. So we need great PG not some avarage PG like Marshall
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby trodgers on Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:00 am

Armani wrote:
trodgers wrote:This is why I think it's a good idea to look at stats - financials, individual stats, and unit stats.

Armani wrote:He went through a stretch where he made less than 35 FG%... it lasted over 20 games.

No, he didn't. He went seven games in his longest stretch of the season.

Oh, and he doesn't hit FT's either. If all you can do is pass, you're not going to make a ton of impact because defenses don't respect you.

He did hit the fourth most threes on the team, shot the third best percent on the team, and was 33rd in the league in threes made by a PG and 21st in threes per game by a PG. So he can do things other than pass. How do you measure impact? We didn't win games, but that was something that happened all season. Suggestion: an easy bucket IS impacting the game.

Despite his gaudy assist numbers, he isn't significantly helping this team. He's a 3rd string PG to me. I'll take him if he comes back for ~ 1 mil. He can replace Farmar if Farmar goes down with an injury next season... but I don't see him being consistent enough to be a backup PG, unless he really works on his shot this summer. Maybe Nash can mentor him there.

He's due $900K next year. So this suggests that you don't know his contract situation.
Your claim about Farmar also suggests that you don't know his injury situation. Farmar missed 41 games this season, missed 43 games the last season he was in the league. And that's playing heavy reserve minutes (not starter minutes). Farmar is a good bet to break down.

As a reserve, Marshall averaged 21 minutes, 7.2 points, 5.3 assists, and 1.8 boards, shot 50% on FGs, 58% on threes, and 100% on FTs. In other words, he did a good job as a sub. He also had a positive +/- as a sub.

You saw a 22 year old playing against starters with a terrible team surrounding him and for some reason you decided that he isn't good enough to start, isn't good enough to be a sub, but could be on this team if he's third string for minimum money? Moreover, you did so based almost entirely on false claims. I don't see that as a very realistic and well-informed view.



What buckets? What are you raving about? None of my claims were "false", albeit they were taken from memory. I distinctly remember Marshall going through long stretches where he struggled to score AT ALL.

I am taking this directly from ESPN. His post all star numbers -

6 points, 8 assists @ 35 FG%, 32 3 PT%, 45 FT% . This is over a 29 game stretch.

So there you have it - he struggles to score. The gaudy pre-all star numbers were more than likely a fluke. Teams are generally taken off guard by unproven guys that have some talent. The numbers you posted as a backup PG were only over a 9 game stretch, which was towards the beginning of his career as a Laker, when D'Antoni didn't know what to do with him. Marshall has plenty to prove before he can be trusted as a backup PG. I am fully aware Farmar has injury issues, and that's why I said he'll do just fine as a 3rd string PG.

We're only getting excited because we never actually needed a true PG for over a decade, thanks to Kobe and the Triangle.. but no, Marshall is likely not the answer.

Arguments should be based on truth. I didn't impugn your conclusions as much as every method you cited for arriving at that conclusion. If you don't suppose that that's a problem, then I suppose there's nothing more to say.
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:13 am

He's 22 freaking years old, Armani. You sound like he has plateaued or peaked and is all that he ever can be. What if he happens to be like Jodey Meeks and works his a** off in the summers on his areas of weakness, and improves upon his valuable strengths? :bang:
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Re: Kendall Marshall Discussion: There's a new Marshall in town!

Postby LooN3y on Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:35 pm

i really dont like PGs that are a bit handicapped on offense.

if we cant find anything better than its fine.


come on hes a PG in MDA's system, those numbers are inflated. and what happened after teams started scouting him? his numbers dropped considerably.


especially being a PG that cant shoot, and assuming kobe is gonna handle the ball like he always does it makes marshall useless.

and developing a PG of his caliber doesnt seem like a direction into contention. assuming that the lakers are going to try atleast one last run before kobe retires.
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