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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:55 pm

Well, Jodie Meeks has signed with us....i guess KMart will be the 15th player on our roster? I'll take it!
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:55 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:Well, Jodie Meeks has signed with us....i guess KMart will be the 15th player on our roster? I'll take it!


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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I don't buy those "designer stats" on efficiency, defensive rating, offensive rating etc.... When you have someone that is a liability in one facet of his game like Howard is at free throw shooting it can't help but being an inefficiency can it? I don't know how he helps us down 3 late in a game when having the ball in his hands..... That is my point..

Oh.... and before the Shaq thing gets brought up...... we had a 21 year old Kobe to take the pressure off....... not a 35 year old who is playing too many minutes....

Hey, you're not going to bring me down on this stuff today Roos, sorry. You're just being negative at this point.

I'm not using "designer stats", just normal ones. Howard shot a higher percentage than Bynum. Again, Howard won't have the ball in his hands late down 3, Bynum didn't so I don't why Dwight should. That's what Kobe and Nash are for.

Yes a 35 year old Kobe and a 38 year old Nash. Two guys that can deliver late in games because their games aren't based on athleticism. We're fine in the clutch.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby KB24 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:02 pm

we have 5 bigs, 4 very good ones...

I have always hated fake thug K-Fart. I would really pass...I think we still desperately need a defensive wing player. We have no one except for Artest to throw at the Durants, Melos and LeBrons of the NBA.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:06 pm

therealdeal wrote:Hey, you're not going to bring me down on this stuff today Roos, sorry.


Well If "I'm bringing you down" you can always stop responding to my posts...... :man12:

As if I'm trying to anyway....
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby last stand on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:09 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hey, you're not going to bring me down on this stuff today Roos, sorry.


Well If "I'm bringing you down" you can always stop responding to my posts...... :man12:

As if I'm trying to anyway....


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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby nthydro on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:27 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:I don't buy those "designer stats" on efficiency, defensive rating, offensive rating etc.... When you have someone that is a liability in one facet of his game like Howard is at free throw shooting it can't help but being an inefficiency can it? I don't know how he helps us down 3 late in a game when having the ball in his hands..... That is my point..

Oh.... and before the Shaq thing gets brought up...... we had a 21 year old Kobe to take the pressure off....... not a 35 year old who is playing too many minutes....

Hey, you're not going to bring me down on this stuff today Roos, sorry. You're just being negative at this point.

I'm not using "designer stats", just normal ones. Howard shot a higher percentage than Bynum. Again, Howard won't have the ball in his hands late down 3, Bynum didn't so I don't why Dwight should. That's what Kobe and Nash are for.

Yes a 35 year old Kobe and a 38 year old Nash. Two guys that can deliver late in games because their games aren't based on athleticism. We're fine in the clutch.


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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:09 pm

i think we're only entertaining the idea of him for vet min bc Dwight will miss the beginning of the season.

having Jaminson start at PF, Pau at C, and Kenyon coming off the bench to backup the PF would be nice until Dwight gets back.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:17 pm

Ariza3 wrote:i think we're only entertaining the idea of him for vet min bc Dwight will miss the beginning of the season.

having Jaminson start at PF, Pau at C, and Kenyon coming off the bench to backup the PF would be nice until Dwight gets back.

Then you slide Jamison up to the 3 from time to time... Use Martin when we need defense... I mean damn. I really hope that we can sign that jerk. He'd be the perfect fit for the time when Dwight will be out.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Weezy on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:19 pm

Hate Kenyon Martin, but would take him on the team in a second. He's not what he used to be, but he can still board and score off the bench.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby jackflag on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:23 pm

Agreed on not liking Martin but recognizing his strengths. You don't want him playing major minutes for you since he's not the brightest player (see: Denver series 2009), but he would be the best frontcourt low-post defender on the team and could shut a lot of players down. He's still a defensive beast.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:42 pm

karacha wrote:Roos, man, you're so negative today... :man3:

understatement of the year
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby BadCoaching on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:44 pm

D.B. Cooper wrote:
karacha wrote:Roos, man, you're so negative today... :man3:

understatement of the year


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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:44 pm

he's def a guy to come in and compliment Hill's effort and energy. idk how he is in the locker room...we already have a ton of chemistry meshing to do and idk if Kenyon is the right guy to come onto this team. but i may be wrong i dont know much about him in that department.

sliding Jaminson over to the 3 should only be done on certain situations. His advantage is at PF as on defense he's not quick enough to play with SF.

Mike Brown is gunna be playing with so many rotations and i hope it doesnt screw with players like last season. Ebanks has earned backup SF so i hope he gets those mins instead of Jaminson who is already the backup PF and isnt fit for SF at this point in his career. Kenyon would def be good if we need defense and energy with Hill in or if foul trouble. Having talented bigs is important especially if Dwight wont be there at first
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:51 pm

Lakers Pursuing Kenyon Martin

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The Lakers are pursuing Kenyon Martin. The Knicks are likely too. But will he sign for the vet min? He makes a lot of sense for both teams.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby BadCoaching on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:53 pm

I like Kmart, he's a legit vet and he knows this league and the players inside and out. That would be a hell of a great addition I think.

I can't even believe how different this team is now... ridiculous. Nash for finals MVP.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby XXIV on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:00 pm

Like I mentioned before, with Dwight out for at least one month we could really use KMart at C/PF. We don't want to overuse Pau early in the season like we did a couple years back.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby DMK on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:01 pm

Not sold on KMart.... have never like him, but hes kinda one of those players you hate, but love to have on YOUR team. Even still.... i dont see him as a threat AT ALL...therefore, id pass.

Defensive minded wing does sound like a good idea tho as mentioned before.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:04 pm

If they really do sign him that means Dwight is gonna be out for a little bit to start the season. We have enough bigs already
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:07 pm

^ agreed. signing him means Dwight will miss a big chunk of the season. gotta give Pau rest somehow...i guess Kenyon would do the job well. Would have been McBob if we didnt trade him so i guess its a defensive upgrade but overall i would have loved to keep McBob. was really hoping he'd get some minutes next season and show us something but oh well.

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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby nthydro on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:11 pm

I hate K-Mart but I would definitely want him on our team. He's still a very good and versatile defender. Can guard 3s, 4s, and some 2s. I remember a few years back he did a solid job guarding Kobe during the playoffs. Offensively he's a liability but he'll give us much needed toughness and defense. For the vet minimum he'd be a steal.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby JGC on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:23 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:The enlarged part I'm not sure I agree with..... How can it be more efficient when he will be in the corner hiding from any contact when the game is on the line because he hasn't learned how to shoot free throws yet?.... And surely we aren't going to have him purposely touch the ball in close games down the stretch either. Having Nash will help a lot in those situations but with Pau's aversion to clutchness.... and Howard's kryptonite (free throw shooting) combined with MWP we will really have to rely on Kobe and Nash down the stretch now....

What does his play late have to do with efficiency? He was a more efficient player than Bynum was last season, that was my point. And we as a franchise won 3 Championships in a row with another Center who couldn't shoot free throws, remember? We'll make do.

So what if he can't hit free throws late? That's what we have Kobe and Nash for late in games anyway. Why are you nervous that Nash and Kobe have the ball late in games? Man, those are two of the DEADLIEST guys in the clutch! We're in GREAT shape down the stretch now. Howard's play late in games will come from lobs, dishes under the basket, and put-backs. He won't have the ball late until Kobe and Nash are retired.

I know you've been saying that our offense is what stalled late, but that's why we have Nash now. Pick and roll with Howard late, or have Kobe posted up on the block and guys moving off the ball. It's going to be gravy. I can't see why you're so negative about this man.


I'm not sure how anyone can be negative about this trade, even a big Bynum supporter like myself. The fact is we essentially got Howard for Bynum. Net-net, that is an upgrade.

Having said that, Howard is NOT a more efficient scorer than Bynum is. I'm not sure exactly how you want to define efficiency, but you can't look at FG% alone (unless it is only convenient for one to do so). Based on last year's numbers, if you gave both players the same number of shots and FTs, Bynum would have produced more points. That makes him more efficient offensively.

Otherwise, I agree. Defensively, huge, huge upgrade. Offensively, a downgrade but I do think Howard is a better finisher than Bynum and a better pick and roll player which, with a guy like Nash is going to be HUGE.

To me, whether this trade was a good one though, hinges on whether Howard re-signs. If he doesn't, then it was a bad trade. If he does, then it was an outstanding trade. I was skeptical about how likely it would be that Dwight would re-sign here, but after seeing his presser, I think it is absolutely more likely that he will re-sign with us than not by a wide margin.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:45 pm

What worries me most is that sure he would fit nicely if Howard is out for a few weeks or months with our team, but how is he going to take it when Howard comes back and both Jamison and Hill are ahead of his in the depth shot leaving him with virtually no minutes.

Not to mention I'm not a fan at all of who he is and his attitude.

I'd much rather try and get a backup at SF like Carlos Delfino. He would be perfect, but will likely choose a slightly bigger role with another team and or take more money else where. Same with Pietrius, who again likely wants more money, but that's what Jodie Meeks was saying and yet we got him on the cheap too.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby XXIV on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:54 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:What worries me most is that sure he would fit nicely if Howard is out for a few weeks or months with our team, but how is he going to take it when Howard comes back and both Jamison and Hill are ahead of his in the depth shot leaving him with virtually no minutes.

Not to mention I'm not a fan at all of who he is and his attitude.

I'd much rather try and get a backup at SF like Carlos Delfino. He would be perfect, but will likely choose a slightly bigger role with another team and or take more money else where. Same with Pietrius, who again likely wants more money, but that's what Jodie Meeks was saying and yet we got him on the cheap too.


I'm sure management would reassure that he's willing to play behind them when Dwight returns.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby kblo247 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:59 pm

Several benefits to Kenyon for the vet min or other half of the mini MLE

- Kenyon could actually start next to Pau with Dwight out to keep rotations on the bench consistent, and he would defend the best big saving Paus legs.

- Kenyon could come off the bench with Hill and Jamison. Hill could be the C, Jamison could be the SF on O and PF on D, while Martin is the PF on O and stays in front of SFs on D. Kenyon is versatile. No matter how you feel he is an amazing defender and everyone has to give him that. This is the guy who literally defended kobe for Denver, the guy who literally stopped the Memphis frontline by his damn self as he took which ever big got hit, and then stopped Gay on the perimeter.

- Kenyon could be Paus replacement. Pessimism in full effect, Pau chokes for the third postseason in a row, and he gets his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] shipped out or hit with the amnesty to kill tax. Kenyon is a cheap starting caliber PF who can complete a 4 big rotation.

If he was willing to come, you should get him as he is still a better perimeter defender than Ebanks and better interior defender than Jamison. Plus he just has that nasty, that every teams needs a bit of.

Doesn't hurt that he knows how to play off a pg, doesn't need the ball, and has nba finals experience
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