Kenyon Martin: why u no want me?

XXIV wrote:

D.B. Cooper wrote:

XXIV wrote:On 710 this morning they had a couple doctors on and one of them, who was a back specialist, stated how he believes Dwight can be ready by opening night.

Dr. Clapper?

No it was someone else, even Klapper was asking him questions.

therealdeal wrote:

JGC wrote:

therealdeal wrote:

JGC wrote:Having said that, Howard is NOT a more efficient scorer than Bynum is. I'm not sure exactly how you want to define efficiency, but you can't look at FG% alone (unless it is only convenient for one to do so). Based on last year's numbers, if you gave both players the same number of shots and FTs, Bynum would have produced more points. That makes him more efficient offensively.

That does not make sense. Production does not equal efficiency. Kobe Bryant can score 27 points on 43% shooting, but that wouldn't make him more efficient than Paul Pierce who scores 22 points on 45%. Efficiency is not dictated by output, it's dictated by the amount of output in comparison to the amount of work/effort (shots) being put into the equation.

Efficiency actually is dictated FG%.

Right. Which is why Bynum is more efficient offensively than Dwight. Given the same amount of Fg and FT shots, Bynum scores more. Bynum has a higher TS% than Dwight. You're not taking FT shooting in to account but you have to if discussing offensive efficiency since FT% is a component of offense.

If you want to argue TS% that's one thing, but you really need to stop trying to say that someone with a lower FG% is a more efficient player by that metric. It's quite silly.

Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn

On the Knicks free agency front: Though there are suggestions Kenyon Martin is considering the Knicks, I don't believe he's a serious target right now. Same goes for Chris "Birdman" Andersen. The name I'd suggest you'd keep an eye on is Lou Amundson, who remains unsigned and may want to raise his stock in New York with a vets min. Amundson is a good depth forward who can give some gritty minutes when called upon but won't rock the boat if he doesn't get a lot of PT. Knicks have room to sign two more guaranteeds before they hit the 15-man max. I don't see them maxing out, at least not before camp begins.

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I'm not sure where you get the idea that I was trying to say someone with a lower FG% is a more efficient scorer. You must have misread or misunderstood something.

What I said, actually, is that you can't look at FG% alone in a discussion about offensive efficiency. That's all, is that wrong?
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puffyusaf#2 wrote:How did the K-Mart thread (which I have only read page 8 of) become a Drew vs Dwight debate?

therealdeal wrote:^ I agree. Martin isn't the end game to me. I just want a guy that's going to work hard and block some shots. I know Hill is that guy, but he can't be in for Gasol AND Howard. I want more...

Always MORE!

gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.

puffyusaf#2 wrote:

gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.

I like Martins game, I think he does all the dirty work and would be a great asset off the bench but there is one problem I have with him. THOSE DAMN LIPS TATTED ON HIS DAMN NECK. If he is a Laker I have to look at what has to be one of the dumbest tatts I have ever seen (sans anything Birdman has and whatever Jet thinks he should add to his body)

gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.

Doc Brown wrote:

gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.

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This. What's the difference between Martin and Barnes? Martin and MWP?

Martin has done considerably less then both of those guys.

On top of that, his kids are in LA, so that might be the selling point that gets him here.

karacha wrote:Martin is really not a bad influence. He maybe has big mouth and is not especially eloquent, but hey... not everyone can be Tim Duncan, you know. He is a good player and could contribute for the Lakers. And yes, his tattoos are ugly.

Doc Brown wrote:

gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.

This. What's the difference between Martin and Barnes? Martin and MWP?

Martin has done considerably less then both of those guys.

On top of that, his kids are in LA, so that might be the selling point that gets him here.

TIME wrote:I really do not want KMart anywhere close to this team.

Amundson would be a nice luxury since he can play either 3 or 4. But I think it would be better to keep the slot open until we need to fill it. Play Pau 36 minutes, Jamison 28, and Hill 32 to start until D12 is back.

live and die in LA wrote:I like Kenyon Martin but when the Lakers already have Jamison/Hill what is the point? I don't want Antawn playing small forward at this point, he would get eaten up on defense. Kenyon can actually guard a lot of small forwards effectively, but I wouldn't make that a year long responsibility for him.