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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:30 pm

Let's get back to Martin's stalker... Kmart is one sick puppy for having tapped that.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby JGC on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:50 pm

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XXIV wrote:On 710 this morning they had a couple doctors on and one of them, who was a back specialist, stated how he believes Dwight can be ready by opening night.

Dr. Clapper?


No it was someone else, even Klapper was asking him questions.


What I heard this morning was Dr. Klapper talking about Dwight and saying he SHOULD be ready by opening night.

He also said, thankfully, that while Dwight won't be the same medically post-surgery, he will be the same player basketball wise and should be able to play with the same reckless abandon he always has.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby JGC on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:59 pm

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JGC wrote:Having said that, Howard is NOT a more efficient scorer than Bynum is. I'm not sure exactly how you want to define efficiency, but you can't look at FG% alone (unless it is only convenient for one to do so). Based on last year's numbers, if you gave both players the same number of shots and FTs, Bynum would have produced more points. That makes him more efficient offensively.

That does not make sense. Production does not equal efficiency. Kobe Bryant can score 27 points on 43% shooting, but that wouldn't make him more efficient than Paul Pierce who scores 22 points on 45%. Efficiency is not dictated by output, it's dictated by the amount of output in comparison to the amount of work/effort (shots) being put into the equation.

Efficiency actually is dictated FG%.


Right. Which is why Bynum is more efficient offensively than Dwight. Given the same amount of Fg and FT shots, Bynum scores more. Bynum has a higher TS% than Dwight. You're not taking FT shooting in to account but you have to if discussing offensive efficiency since FT% is a component of offense.

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If you want to argue TS% that's one thing, but you really need to stop trying to say that someone with a lower FG% is a more efficient player by that metric. It's quite silly.


I'm not sure where you get the idea that I was trying to say someone with a lower FG% is a more efficient scorer. You must have misread or misunderstood something.

What I said, actually, is that you can't look at FG% alone in a discussion about offensive efficiency. That's all, is that wrong?

It tells only a part of the offensive story. TS% is a better indicator of offensive efficiency than FG%. The more offensively efficient player in a comparison of two players, is he who would score the most points if you gave them both the same number of 2-pt FGs, 3-pt FGs and free throws.

Should that hypothetical scenario occur, Bynum would score slightly more due to his proficiency in FTs mainly (let's just leave the 3pt shooting out of this one, haha). At any rate, we're derailing kind of but I still like the discussion.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:29 pm

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On the Knicks free agency front: Though there are suggestions Kenyon Martin is considering the Knicks, I don't believe he's a serious target right now. Same goes for Chris "Birdman" Andersen. The name I'd suggest you'd keep an eye on is Lou Amundson, who remains unsigned and may want to raise his stock in New York with a vets min. Amundson is a good depth forward who can give some gritty minutes when called upon but won't rock the boat if he doesn't get a lot of PT. Knicks have room to sign two more guaranteeds before they hit the 15-man max. I don't see them maxing out, at least not before camp begins.


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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby NeeJee on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:39 pm

I'm down with Jamison backing up Ron and Kenyon backing up Pau.

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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:48 pm

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I'm not sure where you get the idea that I was trying to say someone with a lower FG% is a more efficient scorer. You must have misread or misunderstood something.

What I said, actually, is that you can't look at FG% alone in a discussion about offensive efficiency. That's all, is that wrong?
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Having said that, Howard is NOT a more efficient scorer than Bynum is. I'm not sure exactly how you want to define efficiency, but you can't look at FG% alone (unless it is only convenient for one to do so). Based on last year's numbers, if you gave both players the same number of shots and FTs, Bynum would have produced more points. That makes him more efficient offensively.

That's where I got it from. What you said actually is right there. ^ You said that if you gave Bynum the same number of shots as Howard, he'd score more points which means he's more efficient.

Last season Bynum shot almost the exact same number of shot attempts from the field as Howard and shot at a lower percentage. If he shot the same number of free throws as Howard with his own FT% on the season, he'd score 1.74 more points per game. His total would be 18.7+1.87 which is 20.57.

Howard scored 20.6 points per game. So your point is still wrong if you wanted to spin it that way.

However, what you actually said was that If Bynum had the same number of shot attempts as Howard, he'd score more making him more efficient which is wrong. Your total output does not equal efficiency.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:53 pm

How did the K-Mart thread (which I have only read page 8 of) become a Drew vs Dwight debate? :man3:
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby gcclaker on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:58 pm

All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby ThizGuy83 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:59 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:How did the K-Mart thread (which I have only read page 8 of) become a Drew vs Dwight debate? :man3:

dont u know. its part of clublakers policy now. in every thread thou shall speaketh of dwight and bynum
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:00 pm

^ I agree. Martin isn't the end game to me. I just want a guy that's going to work hard and block some shots. I know Hill is that guy, but he can't be in for Gasol AND Howard. I want more...

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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:03 pm

therealdeal wrote:^ I agree. Martin isn't the end game to me. I just want a guy that's going to work hard and block some shots. I know Hill is that guy, but he can't be in for Gasol AND Howard. I want more...

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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:46 pm

gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.


I like Martins game, I think he does all the dirty work and would be a great asset off the bench but there is one problem I have with him. THOSE DAMN LIPS TATTED ON HIS DAMN NECK. If he is a Laker I have to look at what has to be one of the dumbest tatts I have ever seen (sans anything Birdman has and whatever Jet thinks he should add to his body)
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Kit on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:53 pm

The lips tattoo has been covered.. Noticed that since last season.

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.


I like Martins game, I think he does all the dirty work and would be a great asset off the bench but there is one problem I have with him. THOSE DAMN LIPS TATTED ON HIS DAMN NECK. If he is a Laker I have to look at what has to be one of the dumbest tatts I have ever seen (sans anything Birdman has and whatever Jet thinks he should add to his body)
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:07 pm

gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.


This. What's the difference between Martin and Barnes? Martin and MWP?

Martin has done considerably less then both of those guys.

On top of that, his kids are in LA, so that might be the selling point that gets him here.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby TIME on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:17 pm

I really do not want KMart anywhere close to this team.

Amundson would be a nice luxury since he can play either 3 or 4. But I think it would be better to keep the slot open until we need to fill it. Play Pau 36 minutes, Jamison 28, and Hill 32 to start until D12 is back.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby karacha on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:18 pm

Martin is really not a bad influence. He maybe has big mouth and is not especially eloquent, but hey... not everyone can be Tim Duncan, you know. He is a good player and could contribute for the Lakers. And yes, his tattoos are ugly.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby live and die in LA on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:25 pm

I like Kenyon Martin but when the Lakers already have Jamison/Hill what is the point? I don't want Antawn playing small forward at this point, he would get eaten up on defense. Kenyon can actually guard a lot of small forwards effectively, but I wouldn't make that a year long responsibility for him.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby last stand on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:27 pm

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gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.

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This. What's the difference between Martin and Barnes? Martin and MWP?

Martin has done considerably less then both of those guys.

On top of that, his kids are in LA, so that might be the selling point that gets him here.


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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby John3:16 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:28 pm

karacha wrote:Martin is really not a bad influence. He maybe has big mouth and is not especially eloquent, but hey... not everyone can be Tim Duncan, you know. He is a good player and could contribute for the Lakers. And yes, his tattoos are ugly.


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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby ChumsGum on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:47 pm

I believe he covered his lips tattoo with initials or something. does this info make you like martin more now? he gives hard fouls and we can use him against the duo of perkins/ibaka. let's not forget how good Jason kidd made martin look, Nash could do the same. no martin won't be alley ooping like he use to but he's still savvy in the paint.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:55 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
gcclaker wrote:All this talk about Martin being a bad influence... There are only a few dustups involving him that I am aware of. Calling out Van Horn after losing in the 2002 Finals, that feud with Cuban and then firing pointed comments at Karl for criticizing former teammate Anthony. I don't know of any problems with the law or involving drugs or assaults.

On the court, this team could use another presence in the paint to mix it up for six to ten minutes. Martin fits that. He will also protect the core from any wannabees that want cause a mess. I agree his offense isn't what we'd like but putbacks from him happen plus he can hit that open short range J since his defender will help elsewhere.

If not, Amundson could be a good pickup. Constant motor...does the dirty work...used to play with Nash too.


This. What's the difference between Martin and Barnes? Martin and MWP?

Martin has done considerably less then both of those guys.

On top of that, his kids are in LA, so that might be the selling point that gets him here.


We already saw how important kids are these days in recruiting :man1:
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby kray28 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:12 pm

TIME wrote:I really do not want KMart anywhere close to this team.

Amundson would be a nice luxury since he can play either 3 or 4. But I think it would be better to keep the slot open until we need to fill it. Play Pau 36 minutes, Jamison 28, and Hill 32 to start until D12 is back.


Agreed. Amundson would be a nice pickup for the hustle and hardwork factor.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby gcclaker on Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:18 pm

live and die in LA wrote:I like Kenyon Martin but when the Lakers already have Jamison/Hill what is the point? I don't want Antawn playing small forward at this point, he would get eaten up on defense. Kenyon can actually guard a lot of small forwards effectively, but I wouldn't make that a year long responsibility for him.

Martin can cover the 3 and 4. Very good at switching on the perimeter to hedge out at 2s. Hill is good at help defense and remains a question mark at the on-ball side. Jamison? You already covered that. It WILL be a year long responsibility BUT it will be in spot minutes. I am willing to trust a player of his caliber for crucial stops. A team can never have enough big, physical players that can be counted on at any time. Martin could save some minutes for Gasol who from the last two seasons seem to wilt. He's no Boy Scout but he isn't the complete thug he is perceived to be either.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby lotus on Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:03 pm

Team chemistry is as important as the talent. Martin can kill chemistry easily. And by the way, you can only have so many alpha dogs on one team. I think Kobe and Metta are enough for one team.
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Re: Kenyon Martin To Lakers?

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:17 pm

Don't like Martin. Bad attitude. Lost a lot of lift. and his elbow jumper is not what it used to be.

For very limited minutes most games (despite a few games where Jamison or Gasol nurse injuries or need a break), I would rather have Blatche (plays his cards right, he could be THE front court with Howard in 2 years) or even Yi -- versatility to space the floor, run, and rebound. Granted, neither is physical like Martin, but they fit the team better -- especially for limited minutes and fitting well with Hill, Gasol, Ron, Kobe, Nash, and Meeks.
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