Kevin Durant Discussion

Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:36 am

Hey, if KD wins his first MVP and first NBA title this season, I better see 100+ pages like the LBJ thread lol.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:17 pm

Wow no respect for KD?
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Finwë on Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:38 pm

Of course there's respect for KD!
The dude is mind-blowing. He scores the ball with such ease and efficiency, and at the same time he's getting better and better at other aspects of his game.
He's my favorite player to watch right now (with Kobe injured), and I hope he gets the MVP
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Forward Three on Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:36 pm

Anyone figure KD is gonna start up a new 30+ streak immediately? The way he's been playing lately he doesn't seem capable of scoring less than 30 a night save for this sort of early rest blowout.


As for the LBJ thread vs the KD thread, I think a part of that is just because Lebron came into the league right as our guy Kobe was busy being the Air Apparent, GOAT, 'is he the best?' and suddenly Lebron showed up and immediately everyone jumped on him being the best and that's all we heard about for years even when he hadn't done anything yet. So seeing KD step up like this is sort of the same effect only we're more easily able to get on board with it because it's no longer pushing Kobe out and because Durant hasn't quite had the hype and marketability that Lebron has had. Of course, I think it's a grace period too. Durant is the de facto scoring champion pretty much indefinitely moving forward but I think if he doesn't win a championship in the next few seasons we'll increasingly start to see him similarly to how we saw Lebron.

Perhaps not as bad as that though because the other factor of course is that Lebron is completely full of himself and projects that persona just about every time he opens his mouth for any reason, which, fair play cocky athletes are fine and all but Lebron's version of cocky is passive aggressive and a little delusional and that's just annoying. Meanwhile, Kevin Durant has built a brand/persona more around just being likable and for all we know both perceptions are completely wrong, but it certainly affects how we talk about them.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:34 pm

I hope KD doesn't win a championship in OKC; it will increase the odd he leaves town and we have a chance at acquiring him; sure, it might be a longshot, but he's the type of franchise player we will need to move our organization post-Kobe...
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:14 am

Westbrook's come back will be interesting ...

OKC starting 5 defense has been way better with Jackson in the lineup ... less gambles/off ball sleeping AND less quick bad shots = less transition opportunities for opponents .

I think OKC needs Russ in the playoffs because the role players won't hit shots at the same clip/to take away attention and pressure from KD ... but he needs to adapt .. something I have high doubts about
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:06 am

Westbrook has been the best player for OKC in the playoffs. THis year it looks like Durant is finally ready to take over that role.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:57 am

Kobe's record is now safe again, at least for the time being :jam2:
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:47 am

Yikes, he didn't shoot too well against the Wizards. Well it's not January anymore, which was one of the best offensive performances in that month from a player displayed by him. Don't know how that will affect his MVP race, but that was an uncharacteristic performace from him. Think he was thinking too hard about his recent streak or success, or he was too busy looking forward to All-Star weekend lol.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Finwë on Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:02 pm

Out of all the players in all the other teams in the league, he's the one I'd want wearing the purple and gold the most.
Pipe dream, though, right?
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:34 pm

Finwë wrote:Out of all the players in all the other teams in the league, he's the one I'd want wearing the purple and gold the most.
Pipe dream, though, right?

not necessarily. I mean if he doesn't win a title in OKC in the next few years I don't think he will stay there.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:22 pm

Great article about how KD has surpassed LeBron as an individual defender this season. Talks about how KD gets the nod offensively in most arguments, but overall James is the better player because he trumps KD on the defensive side of things.

This season looks to be changing that as Kevin looks to be putting a lot of work on the end of the floor. Here is an image of some of the breakdown.

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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:41 pm

Once again stats fail to tell the whole story. LeBron mentally got it a couple years ago and obviously turns it up a notch in the playoffs. Durant is just about there but not quite. His run without the idiot ball hog on his team is helping him more than hurting him IMO.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:10 pm

Of course they don't tell the whole story. Regardless it is still telling that in certain situations, Durant's opponents have less points per possession than LeBron's.

You can't really quantify defense, we've known that for a while. But if he's stopping opponents at a similar rate as LBJ is, and the only reason LBJ was "better" than Durant is defense......you see where their argument is headed.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:38 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Of course they don't tell the whole story. Regardless it is still telling that in certain situations, Durant's opponents have less points per possession than LeBron's.

You can't really quantify defense, we've known that for a while. But if he's stopping opponents at a similar rate as LBJ is, and the only reason LBJ was "better" than Durant is defense......you see where their argument is headed.


Bron has defended DRose, Paul pierce, Durant, Granger, Melo and Dirk in the playoffs and done it all pretty damn good at times. What he did to Rose, for a man his size, was one of the best performances I've seen defensively in the playoffs in a while. Durant is not nearly that versatile defensively.

I don't put much into regular season stats or defensive stats at all. I don't think the two are comparable defensively actually.

Now offensively the exact opposite is true. While Bron has improved each year Durant is the best natural
Scorer since Kobe's prime.

They are the two best players in the game now and the gap is closing but Bron is still on front. He "got it" mentally a couple years ago...... Durant is still not quite sure what to do in the big games yet. Part of the issue Durant has is Wesbrook IMO. I think it's no coincidence that he's surging when Westbrook is out. He's the leader and has to step up.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:44 pm

Why doesn't OKC try to move Westbrook for a young two way center? Neither Perk nor Ibaka are go-to post players.

Westbrook for Monroe and Detroit's pick?
Imagine Westbrook, Jennings, and Smoove trying to share a ball. :man10:
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Forward Three on Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:47 pm

Feels like we need to be talking about Durant more. He's basically the best player in the league right now. That is to say, he's playing like the best player in the league right now while the other 'best player in the league' is in cruise control.

Thinking about Durant, it's a little difficult to imagine anyone snatching the scoring title from him any time soon. Lebron would be capable of it if he wasn't on a stacked team and trying to play to his FG%. Kevin Love is probably capable of it. Steph Curry might be capable of it and of course Melo is always a high scorer. But just about everyone else feels like an also-ran ultimately. Durant is just leaving them all in the dust with his scoring antics, the likes of which are touching into Kobe and Jordan territory. So even if there is a hot-shot draft pick that shows up in the next couple of seasons, they'll still probably take a few seasons to get up to speed where Durant's ~31-32ppg is starting to feel like the new normal for him, it's shocking how easily he gets to 25+ and 30 on any given night and as his present 25+ scoring streak continues he does it with a level of consistency no one else in the league even comes close to(which is saying something considering how remarkably consistent Lebron is overall)

What do you think? Durant may wind up with 5 or 6 straight scoring titles before he's even halfway through his career. Or is there anyone you think might realistically approach him in the next few seasons?


The fact that his rebounding, assists and overall efficiency have gone up significantly too is really impressive. A lot of great players take 3 or 4 years to really find their stride and from there on out we expect to see stats more or less like this continuing for at least the next 6 or 7 seasons(barring injury of course)

The only thing Durant hasn't done yet is break 60, which is somewhat surprising for how explosive of a scorer he generally is, but that seems like just a matter of time anyway and there's no one else in the league right now who I think is likely to hit 60 multiple times in their career. I mean, Lebron might do it again but I wouldn't expect Bron to do it more than twice total, wouldn't be surprised if Durant does it 4 or more times in his career.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:00 pm

I agree Forward Three. Sometimes I feel like I'm the lone KD tracker on other sports forums. Like it's odd because it's like KD is flying under the radar while being under the spotlight at the same time. KD looks up to kObe and i'll love seeing kObe take him under his wing when KD begins to enter his prime. By then he should have been developed the killer instinct like Kobe. He's 26 and peaking at the right time. If he's dedicated to winning and perfecting his craft I can see multiple MVP's and titles for OKC, courtesy of KD.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:03 pm

I agree Forward Three. Sometimes I feel like I'm the lone KD tracker on other sports forums. Like it's odd because it's like KD is flying under the radar while being under the spotlight at the same time. KD looks up to kObe and i'll love seeing kObe take him under his wing when KD begins to enter his prime. By then he should have been developed the killer instinct like Kobe. He's 26 and peaking at the right time. If he's dedicated to winning and perfecting his craft I can see multiple MVP's and titles for OKC, courtesy of KD.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:47 pm

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Yes we should be talking about KD more but he is a victim of media marketing. Fans are going to talk about what has been force fed to them. KD gets love because of the current streak but have you noticed it isn't the over the top mind-blowing love that Lebron gets for whatever Lebron does? I created a thread to discuss the other "also-rans" in the MVP race and very few could even spout a name or two because, as the media loves o tell us, "its a two-man race". We can't look back at others anymore. Another thing that is hurting KD is that he allows Westbrook to act like a #1 (as discussed in the Westbrook thread). The way Westbrook is marketed by sports media most fans feel like KD has great "help" out there. While a guy like Lebron has to carry that old and injured Miami team. KD is a beast plain and simple.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Forward Three on Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:51 pm

It's kind of ridiculous anyone is trying to consider the Heat anything other than a finely oiled high performance engine of winning right now. They are so stacked, deep, relatively healthy(Wade has been in and out but he'll play every minute of the Playoffs at 100% and you know it) that they almost deserve an asterisks by their championships to particularly remind everyone just how absurd of a collection of over-the-top talent is on that team.

Meanwhile. Durant is contending with more serious injuries to his supporting cast and it hasn't phased him a single bit and the Thunder have maintained a top or near top ranking in the substantially more competitive Western Conference. Just absolutely batty that anyone would try and spin the narrative any other way.


Another thing though is that Durant is in truly 'untouchable' territory right now. As far as his individual season goes. Lebron is closer to Kevin Love or James Harden than he is to Durant if we're really being honest here. Durant at this point is playing the type of ball Lebron has played in the past, that transcendentally good stuff that you recognize he's on an island and just gawk. But there is that huge marketing machine behind Lebron(and it's Samsung too, who are some of the most shameless and over-the-top advertisers on the planet) that essentially just says "This is Lebron's league, there is Lebron and a bunch of scrubs, period." and that stinks.

I know it all comes from his championships and all, but that was then. In the now, he's simply not holding up his end of the bargain with regards to playing to his abilities. He's clearly coasting, he's clearly not applying himself...etc.

But anyway, gotta stop talking about him. Kevin Durant is the best player in the league right now and this thread should be about him.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby lakerzkb8 on Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:36 pm

Punk-101 wrote:Why doesn't OKC try to move Westbrook for a young two way center? Neither Perk nor Ibaka are go-to post players.

Westbrook for Monroe and Detroit's pick?
Imagine Westbrook, Jennings, and Smoove trying to share a ball. :man10:


OKC went to the final 2 seasons ago, Westbrook was injured last year, and their the 2nd seed right now. Why would you think about changing that roster when the defending champs don't even have a two way center? :man3:
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Forward Three on Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:52 pm

39 games of scoring 26 or more. The stat they're flashing is for a 25+ scoring streak but I was looking at the game logs and noticed he actually hasn't gone below 26 this whole streak so might as well talk about that too. An incredible individual season. Was also looking at a comparison between this year and Jordan when he was 25 and the numbers are pretty similar overall. Jordan had 32/8/8 that season though but many of the other numbers are comparable. The biggest difference is that Durant obviously relies on the three ball a lot more, but when he's shooting at 40+% you can't really take that away.

Another thing I'd say positively about Durant this year is how much of a quiet storm he is. In contrast to Lebron "I literally believe my hype" James and all Durant is refreshing to watch.

That said, the ding against his year imo is that he really is getting a ton of favorable calls and he gets to the line like crazy. True enough that he doesn't exactly play _for_ the whistle like Lebron and Wade tend to do, but he's also tricky with the technicality ticky-tack fouls. All is fair and all, can't really take that from him when so many players do it, but his season would be looking a bit more human/normal if he was only getting 6 or 7 FTA instead of 10.

If this is Durant's 'new normal' then the next decade of the NBA is in good hands.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby karacha on Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:45 pm

Durant has a chance to enter basketball history tonight, as the most consistent 25+ point scorer ever. This is extremely impressive. I'll be rooting for him.
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Re: Kevin Durant Discussion

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:29 pm

He's surpassing Jordan. There are still longer streaks by Oscar Robertson and Wilt Chamberlain.
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