LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri May 24, 2013 8:23 am

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LeBron James doesn't finish well at the rim when going left? That's what Michael Jordan said in the scouting report he gave to ESPN's Wright Thompson earlier in the year.

James picked up a thrilling overtime victory at the buzzer in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Indiana Pacers by finishing at the rim while going to his left. Brian Windhorst of ESPN reports that James called out Jordan's "left-hand theory":

"That theory is wrong, I guess," James said of the Jordan report.

James plays basketball right-handed but writes left-handed. Over the years he's gotten better going left, though at one time it was indeed considered one of the weaker parts of his game.


Here's James' game-winning layup where he finished with his left hand, after driving left against Paul George, with only seconds left in overtime:

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If the Pacers agreed with Jordan's evaluation prior to Game 1, they have every reason to disagree after losing to James' left hand in overtime. The NBA's MVP can not only drive to his right or left, but he can finish with either hand, too. Go figure.


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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Doc Brown on Fri May 24, 2013 8:36 am

You got a wide open layup Lebron, of course you drove left and finished a layup. :freak2:

There wasn't one person between him and the rim.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby therealdeal on Fri May 24, 2013 9:13 am

:man10:

I'm left handed. Anyone who plays ball knows that a lot of lefties don't learn to use their right for a long time. I didn't learn until college. I was 22(?).

I could have made that same layup (from the right) in high school. How hard is that? It's one hard dribble and a layup line. Every college kid in the country could make that play. Most high schoolers could for Christ's sake.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri May 24, 2013 9:49 am

OK true story.... I was Derrick Fisher with layups back in the day. I think I had a better shooting percentage on 3 pointers than layups and that was with my right hand (lets leave the left out of it..lol)

That being said, I love how the utterance of anything that isn't "OMG LBJ IZ DA GR8DIST" gets roasted. According to SAS that left hand drive was an 8 on the scale of 1-10 clutch-o-meter. Considering how he is not great going left I think it should be a 19. :bow:
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 24, 2013 9:56 am

Wow.... the LeBron hate is reaching the absurdity level around here.

I'm not a huge LeBron fan but reading these sections of LG is like reading the Celtics board section on Kobe.... you'd think we Laker fans would understand irrational hate......
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri May 24, 2013 10:07 am

not sure where the hate is... It was a simple layup that has been talked about for 2 days. The amazing part of the play is that the bonehead move by Goerge who completely overplayed Lebron.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Weezy on Fri May 24, 2013 10:10 am

Yes, one open layup proves it's wrong. Seriously though, LeBron has improved in that area. And Roos, yeah, it's fun to irrationally hate in the NBA, I "hate" the enemy, that's how it goes. Lakers fans have hated the Celtics for decades, hated Bird, Isiah, even MJ. I don't even hate LeBron, I hate how ESPN tries to make him god.
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Postby gcclaker on Fri May 24, 2013 10:16 am

I find it ironic that Jordan would call it a weakness of James' overall game when he acknowledged that it wasn't a strong suit of his as well during his playing days. Granted James' did not encounter any resistance towards the rim so yeah it was easy pickings. He made the play as he should have and any pro player could.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri May 24, 2013 10:21 am

Weezy wrote: I don't even hate LeBron, I hate how ESPN tries to make him god.


This! For real I think most people have stopped actually hating on Lebron and just really attack the absurdity of the ESPN Machine. Lets be honest if that was goerge getting a game winning layup on Lebron in game one the conversation would not be "How clutch is Paul Goerge" instead it would be "how bad was the HEAT's (not Lebron) defensive breakdown to allow that EASY layup."
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 24, 2013 10:35 am

Weezy wrote:Yes, one open layup proves it's wrong. Seriously though, LeBron has improved in that area. And Roos, yeah, it's fun to irrationally hate in the NBA, I "hate" the enemy, that's how it goes. Lakers fans have hated the Celtics for decades, hated Bird, Isiah, even MJ. I don't even hate LeBron, I hate how ESPN tries to make him god.


Self realization is the first step....... :man10:

My comment in on the sheer number of negative LeBron posts here. It seems petty to me on a few levels. Everyone here wants to make sure that the winning shot was a mistake by Indiana for example..... a lot of teams make defensive mistakes and a lot of players that have played on our team have benefited from them in the past. So what? it's the game.

As for "hating" the opposition. Hating the C's has a basis for Laker fans.... the Heat are not a rival of ours and historically never have been. The "hate" seems to be centered on LeBron and his place in the game when compared to Kobe to me..... nothing to do with the teams.

ESPN promotes the players/teams it gets the most return out of.... there is no love for LeBron.... it's love for LeBron's popularity that has them doing what they are doing. Once a "new" deity is hatched he will be set aside. Remember that ESPN is a "Partner" of the NBA.... not a journalistic organization when it comes to covering the game these days. Their "Reports" are marketing.... not sports journalism.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Weezy on Fri May 24, 2013 10:46 am

My father hated on MJ because he was a "ballhog" and a threat to Magic, according to my father greatest ever to that point. So I hate on ESPN for puffing up LeBron while knocking Kobe down to do it, so what? I think irrational hate is my right as an NBA/sports fan, it's part of the game. I don't like being told I to like a player or be nice just because, too pc. I know LeBron is great, I still don't have to like him, I don't hate him, but I don't like him either, and I do hate the Heat. Whatever happened to he good old days of hating just to hate though, hating on a player just because you don't like his face and that being just fine? :man10: Hating was so much simpler when I was a kid, now you gotta have a "reason", pshh! :disagree:

LeBrons team are the champs though, they are in the way, if we want to win we have to go through them, so yes teams do factor in some I don't agree there that it's 100% only about Kobe. I also don't see ESPN moving on to somebody else for a looooong time, we're stuck with the LeBron jocking for a while.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Finwë on Fri May 24, 2013 2:09 pm

I agree about one play (the game-winning layup) isn't enough to kill an argument. However, I thought from the beginning that MJ's theory was wrong, actually.. I've seen LeBron drive to his left a bunch of times, he seems to really be comfortable with it, and he finishes at a very good %...
He actually shot a lesser % going right..

That being said, a lot of right handed players are better on pull-up Js when dribbling left, because of the position of the ball and the way it flows naturally into the jumpshot. I know I like pulling up going left more than I do going right, which requires a bigger adjustment.
So MJ does have some kind of a point, LeBron (among with many right handed players) will be more comfortable pulling up while going left, so the frequency of jumpshots would rise. However, considering how effective LeBron has been while going left, I don't think it's a good strategy..
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri May 24, 2013 3:13 pm

LeBron's a smart guy. I'm sure that MJ's scouting report was much more true when he said it than it is now. Kobe used it in the all-star game and shut LeBron down. By now LeBron has probably worked on his game and overcame the deficiency that MJ revealed. It's probably not as true now as when MJ said it.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 24, 2013 3:30 pm

I'll accept Jordan as one of, if not the greatest ever on the floor in many ways.... He's earned that honor.... But his opinion on other players talent has been as bad as his on court game was good .......so why is everyone getting excited over the guy's opinion that took Kwame number one and Morrison at seven?
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby Weezy on Fri May 24, 2013 4:09 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I'll accept Jordan as one of, if not the greatest ever on the floor in many ways.... He's earned that honor.... But his opinion on other players talent has been as bad as his on court game was good .......so why is everyone getting excited over the guy's opinion that took Kwame number one and Morrison at seven?


He does suck as a talent evaluator, but I do respect his opinion as a defender and his thoughts on the actual game. I think he knows what he's talking about as an "analyst" more than anything else. All he said was when guarding LeBron he would force him left because when going right it's an easier layup for him, pretty much unstoppable, whereas going left you have some chance at least. Obviously that doesn't work every time, but it's still a correct observation IMO. As we saw in the All-Star game, Kobe did this and gave LeBron a lot of trouble. But he's a great player, he probably took that comment and worked on going left more and is now much improved at it.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 24, 2013 5:24 pm

Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:I'll accept Jordan as one of, if not the greatest ever on the floor in many ways.... He's earned that honor.... But his opinion on other players talent has been as bad as his on court game was good .......so why is everyone getting excited over the guy's opinion that took Kwame number one and Morrison at seven?


He does suck as a talent evaluator, but I do respect his opinion as a defender and his thoughts on the actual game. I think he knows what he's talking about as an "analyst" more than anything else. All he said was when guarding LeBron he would force him left because when going right it's an easier layup for him, pretty much unstoppable, whereas going left you have some chance at least. Obviously that doesn't work every time, but it's still a correct observation IMO. As we saw in the All-Star game, Kobe did this and gave LeBron a lot of trouble. But he's a great player, he probably took that comment and worked on going left more and is now much improved at it.


Not to belabor or even enter into the LeBron/Kobe/Jordan debate, but the bold part is the difference in LeBron I've seen over the last 2.5 years. He's filled in the gaps in his game and while he'll never have the killer instinct that is a natural part of Kobe and Jordan he is learning to be bit when it counts. If he doesn't get complacent (which I think he will btw) he can get even better.
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby JGC on Fri May 24, 2013 5:41 pm

Oh nobody has been talking about the layup for 2 days. What they have been talking about though is the lack of Hibbert on the play.

Which I felt was moot I mean, they should be packing it in and forcing Lebron to shoot a jumper.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 24, 2013 5:53 pm

If you watch that play carefully you can see the value of shooters. No one could leave the perimeter players and when Miami went small Hibbert was forced out of the game because he's too slow laterally to guard anyone Miami put out there.
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Postby karacha on Sat May 25, 2013 6:26 am

Rooscooter wrote:Wow.... the LeBron hate is reaching the absurdity level around here.


F$^&#! LeBron.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat May 25, 2013 5:16 pm

Weezy wrote: I don't even hate LeBron, I hate how ESPN tries to make him god.


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Postby kenzo on Sat May 25, 2013 5:25 pm

karacha wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Wow.... the LeBron hate is reaching the absurdity level around here.


F$^&#! LeBron.

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Postby Congo Cash on Sat May 25, 2013 5:40 pm

LeBron is so great he can shoot a layup with that big fat mouth of his... All hail the king... :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat May 25, 2013 5:59 pm

MJ was wrong.... Lebron can go both ways whenever he wants at any time he wants except when it really matters cause then he makes "the right basketball play" and passes it to ANY teammate to take the shot. Damn MJ you should be better than that
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Re: LeBron Disagrees With Michael's Scouting Report On Him

Postby thkthebest on Sun May 26, 2013 12:59 am

I agree with Roos on some level. A lot of the arguments/hate seem petty, and we all know petty. People found the most ridiculous reasons to hate Kobe. It reached unspeakably stupid levels, but there were still plenty of rational people that respected Kobe for his greatness. I used to be a big LeBron hater. I used to find the dumbest reasons to hate him, but I do respect his work ethic and his game right now.

Finwë wrote:I agree about one play (the game-winning layup) isn't enough to kill an argument. However, I thought from the beginning that MJ's theory was wrong, actually.. I've seen LeBron drive to his left a bunch of times, he seems to really be comfortable with it, and he finishes at a very good %...
He actually shot a lesser % going right..

Yea, I always thought LeBron's left hand was pretty good.

But - correct me if I'm wrong - I don't think Jordan said that LeBron isn't as good at finishing with his left as he is with his right. I think Jordan said that LeBron tends to fallback to his jumper when going left while he attacks more relentlessly when going right.
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Postby Finwë on Sun May 26, 2013 2:42 am

thkthebest wrote:I agree with Roos on some level. A lot of the arguments/hate seem petty, and we all know petty. People found the most ridiculous reasons to hate Kobe. It reached unspeakably stupid levels, but there were still plenty of rational people that respected Kobe for his greatness. I used to be a big LeBron hater. I used to find the dumbest reasons to hate him, but I do respect his work ethic and his game right now.

Finwë wrote:I agree about one play (the game-winning layup) isn't enough to kill an argument. However, I thought from the beginning that MJ's theory was wrong, actually.. I've seen LeBron drive to his left a bunch of times, he seems to really be comfortable with it, and he finishes at a very good %...
He actually shot a lesser % going right..

Yea, I always thought LeBron's left hand was pretty good.

But - correct me if I'm wrong - I don't think Jordan said that LeBron isn't as good at finishing with his left as he is with his right. I think Jordan said that LeBron tends to fallback to his jumper when going left while he attacks more relentlessly when going right.

Yeah but like I said after that, his most comfortable pull-up J is going left, and he ends up shooting a higher % going left (even if he takes more jumpers) than going right (even if he drives more going right)

EDIT: What I mean is, Jordan is right in the sense that LeBron might take more jumpers going left than going right. However, he is much more effective on jumpshots going left than going right, so it's not ideal to "force him left and give him the J". In terms of efficiency, you actually want him to go right; the problem is turning that into a jumper and not a drive to the rim, which he converts at a very high rate.
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