LeBron's 2 Role Models? Michael and....Allen Iverson?

LeBron's 2 Role Models? Michael and....Allen Iverson?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:12 pm

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LeBron James says he watches a lot of tape. Who does he look at?

Michael Jordan and ... Allen Iverson?

"I watch Jordan more than anybody, for sure," James told ESPN's Chris Broussard for a story in the upcoming issue of ESPN The Magazine. "But I'll watch tapes of AI, too. I don't take anything from AI. Well, I do -- his will. They say he was 6 feet, but AI was like 5-10½. Do we even want to say 160? 170 [pounds]? Do we even want to give him that much weight? And he played like a 6-8 2-guard. He was one of the greatest finishers we've ever seen. You could never question his heart. Ever. He gave it his all. AI was like my second-favorite player growing up, after MJ."

What James loved about Jordan was the very attribute that he works to establish -- having no fear.

"MJ wasn't perfect. MJ had bad games. He had turnovers. He had games where he felt like he should've been better," James said. "But I think the greatest thing about MJ was that he never was afraid to fail. And I think that's why he succeeded so much -- because he was never afraid of what anybody ever said about him. Never afraid to miss the game-winning shot, never afraid to turn the ball over. Never afraid."

Despite two straight NBA titles and four MVPs, James is still afraid to fail.

"That's one of my biggest obstacles. I'm afraid of failure," James said in the interview. "I want to succeed so bad that I become afraid of failing."

Before winning a title in his seventh season, Jordan had to listen to critics say he was too much of a scorer and couldn't be enough of a team player to capture a championship. Before winning it all in his ninth season, James had to listen to critics who said he was too much of a team player and needed to take over games down the stretch like Jordan did.

"The so-called gurus of basketball want LeBron to be Bernard King. I'm not Bernard King," James said. "I'm not a flat-out scorer like that. That's not all that I do. I do a little bit of everything. I averaged 31 in Cleveland my third or fourth year, and that didn't get us anywhere. I led the league in scoring. People forget that."

What has become more important, however, is being a team leader. James said he recognizes that Dwyane Wade has had to make sacrifices for the sake of winning championships. And Wade has his own critics who say that he's not the player he used to be. When James senses that Wade is getting frustrated with his touches, he'll make sure to get him the ball.

"It's about letting him know who he still is," James said in a separate story in this week's ESPN The Magazine. "'You're still D-Wade and no matter what people say you can still get it done.'"

While James says that he and Wade are both alphas, Heat president Pat Riley leaves no doubt as to who is the leader of the pack.

"Dwyane realizes that he's playing with the real deal and that in the biggest moments the ball will be in LeBron's hands," Riley said. "And he realizes that doesn't make a difference. If they keep winning and make sure that's [priority] No. 1, they'll go down as one of the greatest [teams] in history."


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Re: LeBron's 2 Role Models? Michael and....Allen Iverson?

Postby Weezy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:15 pm

Iverson kinda gets forgotten these days because of how his career ended, but in his prime he was an amazing player. The 76ers gave the Lakers their only loss in the 2001 playoffs, and IMO Iverson won that game almost by himself, he could not be stopped. It's still one of the best playoff performances I've seen, and I will always give him praise and credit for that. It's kind of odd to hear that LeBron watches a lot of tape of him, but then if you're LeBron and you're criticized a few seasons back for lacking certain things in your game, want to look at somebody who couldn't be stopped one on one, who was fearless taking on better teams with no real 2nd star next to him, Iverson is not a bad guy to watch.
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Postby lakerzkb8 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:40 pm

Being fearless is something you're born with, not by watching tape. Fearless would have been re-signing in Cleveland, not submitting and creating a superteam to win rings.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:50 pm

Iverson had one great quality and that was being fearless. The rest of his "qualities" were most likely responsible for his inability to play with other great players and contributed to the way his career ended.
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Postby Frank Dux on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:40 pm

Did anyone else notice that Iverson fans are kind of like Derrick Rose fans? They both rip on their excellent, blue collar supporting casts, who play excellent defense so that they can hype up their good, but not all time great star.

Remember when everyone argued who was the best player in the league was between Shaq, and Iverson? Looking back, that's pretty laughable, especially considering the fact that Duncan and KG were in their peak, and Kobe was entering his.
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Postby Barnstable on Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:37 pm

AI wasn't perfect, but he had heart. One of the best scorers I've ever seen, and in his prime, he could not be shut down. Too much heart, drive and skill.

He's a good roll model for those qualities. Especially since heart has always been one of LeBronz's problems (another would be referring to himself in the third person "The so-called gurus of basketball want LeBron to be Bernard King."... really? :nono2: )
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Postby Juronimo on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:08 am

Frank Dux wrote:Did anyone else notice that Iverson fans are kind of like Derrick Rose fans? They both rip on their excellent, blue collar supporting casts, who play excellent defense so that they can hype up their good, but not all time great star.


People have done that here with Kobe.
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Postby The Original 81 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:21 pm

Barnstable wrote:AI wasn't perfect, but he had heart. One of the best scorers I've ever seen, and in his prime, he could not be shut down. Too much heart, drive and skill.

He's a good roll model for those qualities. Especially since heart has always been one of LeBronz's problems (another would be referring to himself in the third person "The so-called gurus of basketball want LeBron to be Bernard King."... really? :nono2: )


I thought i was the only one who noticed how often he does that. I don't recall many professional athletes who do that.
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:15 pm

I'm not surprised by this admission. In fact, I mentioned this to a friend two years ago about how Lebron is the perfect amalgam between corporate professionalism and hip hop street culture. Full arm sleeve tattoos, flashy game, defiant to the natural order of things yet the most polished, marketable, and business savvy athlete in the league. From the time he was 18 years old, he's handled wealth, fame, women, and the media almost perfectly. And yet, he's the product of the slums of roughshod Akron, Ohio. The Jordan-Iverson model has been his life story.

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Re: LeBron's 2 Role Models? Michael and....Allen Iverson?

Postby Iceberg Slim on Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:27 pm

Frank Dux wrote:Did anyone else notice that Iverson fans are kind of like Derrick Rose fans? They both rip on their excellent, blue collar supporting casts, who play excellent defense so that they can hype up their good, but not all time great star.

Remember when everyone argued who was the best player in the league was between Shaq, and Iverson? Looking back, that's pretty laughable, especially considering the fact that Duncan and KG were in their peak, and Kobe was entering his.



I haven't heard many fans rip on Rose's teammates. I've heard them rip on Rip Hamilton and rightfully so. He's a certified bum now. Outside of that, I haven't seen the same treatment.

And I must also disagree about their current or past legacies. Rose and Iverson are in fact ball dominant. So is Kobe. It is what it is. But those guys were/are great, not just good. When your the MVP in 2001 and 2009 (like were Ivo and Rose were respectively) you blow past the level of "good". Iverson was a top 5 player for much of his career. And Derrick will probably follow the same routine for the rest of his barring injury.
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