borri wrote:The debate is whether Luke D is better than Vlad. And whether Luke's passing is better for the team than Vlad's shooting.
The debate is deeper than that. I think it's clear Vlad has more talent and is the better individual player than Luke. I also think that Vlad plays better man-to-man defense and is much better at scoring points.
However, Luke seems to be better at helping the offense flow independent of how many assists he gets credit for as he's often the guy who makes the pass that leads to the assist. Luke also seems to be better at team concepts of defense, even though his man-to-man defense leaves much to be desired.
Bottom line is Luke is a better team player, and the contributions he provides for the team are often not visible, whereas Vlad's individual contributions were as plain as day with his timely threes and sporadic but decent man-to-man defense.
borri wrote:Exactly. I admitted so. Frankly I am not sure if there's even a reliable way to show that. Way too many factors involved. What I did try to show you is that....contrary to what the record seems to indicate when Vlad plays more than Luke and our W/L record....it isn't as cut and dry as it seems. There were much more tangible explanations for why we lost those game...not because of something that involved Vlad.
I completely agree, there are far too many factors involved. That's why I personally give more weight to the 5-man unit statistics, as they tend to restrict the unknown factors given the fact that Vlad and Luke are compared to the times they played with the same teammates.
There seems to be just enough stats to suggest Luke is the better team player, while it's as clear as day that Vlad is the better individual player. This is also why Luke gets so much hate, his contributions involve making his teammates better so he still looks fairly poor even when he's doing his job well.
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