You rely on 'help value' to make comparisons between players, yet never really wanted to directly answer my question earlier regarding help value (no surprise). The question was, who would you expect to have better 'help value' in the game @ Knicks when Kobe scored 61. Kobe or Luke? You didn't answer the question, and time has run out (you've made multiple posts in between though). The answer is: Luke Walton.
As I've stated before, clearly Vlad > Luke in a one to one comparison. The debate gets much more muddled when we look at stats that seem to indicate the overall team performs somewhat better with Luke than with Vlad. Even if Luke doesn't directly account for any wins and Vlad doesn't directly account for any losses, it's entirely plausible that their indirect effects on their teammates do lead to the seemingly contradictory stats we see. In other words, Luke elevates his teammates a bit more than Vlad did, which is not surprising since Vlad honestly only contributed when his shot was on and many times he was cold.
sugi942 wrote:Thanks for the analysis borri. Now I don't have to do it. Seems to me to indicate that the 3 spot isn't really what's driving the team as far as wins and losses. Further, while Luke may not be responsible for losses, he's also not responsible for wins. He works with Jackson's system (sort of) and he provides some degree of cohesion on the offensive end. He does not have a reliable 3 point shot so teams are able to pack the paint on defense causing problems especially when we have Bynum and Pau already bringing their men close to the hoop. His decision making is simultaneously his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. He makes spectacular passes at times while at others he appears to be over thinking what he's going to do resulting in ill advised shots or passes. I notice his shots are an afterthought with him. When he's aggressive, he seems to be a lot more successful. On the defensive end he cannot keep up with the speedier SFs or in help situations, but does a serviceable job of man defense. Fisher seems to have the same problem, but that's a whole other story.
Barring a miracle, Luke is staying. I don't hate him, I just hate the way he plays sometimes.
khmrP wrote:Not sure who he was guarding so I can't really comment on his D though.
kray28 wrote:What was Vlad's line again tonight?
Oops...I forgot, he's unprofessional, his defense sucks,and he wears Vans to practice.
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