Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:09 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/marcin-gortat-wants-the-nba-to-allow-nhl-style-fighting-231510319.html
The NBA as an organization takes many measures to stop on-court fighting, fromlevying considerable suspensions and fines for any related actions to ensuring fans (and potential fans) at every opportunity that it takes the supposed problem very seriously. While the league likely wouldn't say that fighting is an epidemic, it approaches the situation as something to be solved.

Nevertheless, players still fight, often enough that we could be forgiven for thinking the outpouring of emotion and physicality in the middle of competition might be a natural byproduct of the pressures of the game, not some moral deficiency on the part of the participants. In fact, one NBA player thinks that the league should understand these issues and allow short bursts of fighting in a manner similar to NHL hockey. From Kyle Weidie's interview with Washington Wizards center Marcin Gortat for TrueHoop:

KW: "Any rule changes that you think would help the NBA game? For instance, sometimes they talk about instituting FIBA goaltending rules in the NBA. Any thoughts on that or any other changes that would help the game play?"

MG: "The goaltending? It definitely wouldn’t help. You have too many athletic guys in this league that would tip the ball out of the rim, so pretty much to make a basket you will need to swish it, you know what I’m saying?
I would say I would loosen up a little bit the rules about the fighting fines. That’s what I would loosen up. Because today you go to an ice hockey game, and the one thing they’re waiting for is a fight, you know what I’m saying? So if they could set it up something like that in the NBA. That if there are two guys and they have a problem, if they could just separate everybody. And these two people that have problem, if they could fight ..."

KW: "During the game?"

MG: "During the game. Quick, 15-20 seconds, throw few punches, then referees jump in and break this thing up. I think the game ... these two guys, they resolved their problem. They’re both suspended and they’re leaving. But end of the day, they fix the problem between each other, fans are super excited, and I think that would be a pretty cool idea [chuckles]."

KW: "You’d need bigger refs. You couldn’t have Dick Bavetta out there."

MG: "At some point when the referees jump in, then you’d have to stop. You’d have to stop. So I think that would be a great idea, just like the ice hockey fans waiting for that, that’s would NBA fans would get into, as well."

It seems unlikely that the league would ever support Gortat's suggestion. Although he puts forth the idea for its entertainment value, the NBA sees the fighting issue primarily as a problem of the league's image. At a time when many misguided people still associate the NBA with crime and thuggery, the league office feels the need to manage its public image however possible. Given that the NBA receives an undue amount of negative attention for its fights, it sees curtailing that practice as one of the most effective ways to improve its popularity. This is to say nothing of the fact that sanctioned fighting lends itself better to a sport like hockey, where it's a longstanding part of the game and tied to a foregrounded tradition of toughness. Basketball, on the other hand, has always focused on its own skill and artistry in promoting itself.

Regardless, it makes sense that Gortat would be a fan of this idea. As a big man who succeeds in part via toughness and roughing up opponents, he would have more latitude to frustrate opponents both physically and mentally. Crucially, Gortat also wouldn't suffer from the attendant image problem. The "Polish Machine"/"Polish Hammer" is a tough guy, not a thug, and hails from a region of the world that American audiences associate more closely with cartoonish Eastern Bloc villainy than with a genuine threat to daily life. He would be seen as a villain in a story.

Even if Gortat's perspective is limited, he still provides a useful way into the issue of fighting in the NBA. Instead of demonizing the participants, Gortat sees a fight as a feature of the larger NBA experience rather than an inherently horrible thing. Whether it's worth having in basketball is up for debate, but the mere fact that it's up for discussion shows progress. There's no knee-jerk attempt to call everyone a criminal. The solution might not be to allow this behavior, but Gortat does prove that there's another way to view the issue.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:19 am

Blake Griffin and Patrick Beverly would be getting their butts kicked every night


i'm all for it...also, for Flagrant fouls, there should be a 1min power play :jam2:
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:16 am

Pekovic will be the NBA's "enforcer"….. not sure there's anyone in the game that could hurt that noggin in a fight…..
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby gcclaker on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:21 am

I like it. A shame World Peace isn't in The League. Someone would wipe that ever present smirk on Perkins' mug.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:22 am

There would be a lot of standing and staring in a fighting stance saying do something. So many soft, fake tough guy players in the league today.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby Punk-101 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:10 pm

KG, Melo, Perk, and other fake tough guys wrote:I don't like this idea one bit!.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby abeer3 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:49 pm

obviously not possible, but it would be fun from the fake tough guy angle. i'm a fan of chris paul's game, but let's see him nut punch a big on a screen when he knows he may have to throw down afterwards.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby 432J on Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:08 pm

love this idea

it would surely eliminate and weed out all the "fake tough guys" in the league like griffin and porkins
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:40 am

No offense but Gortat is idiotic for suggesting the NBA adopt the idiotic Hockey practice of referees standing there while guys break teeth and noses and bleed all over the ice. Oh yeah that would play great with the way they freak out and stop the game for a minuscule drop of blood anywhere in NBA.

Not saying guys don't deserve to get clocked for punk actions if they were the initiator.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:44 am

As far as Griffin, he seems less the chippy instigator these days than the recipient of everyone's cheap shots because his game just keeps getting better. And he is mature enough to take it and shoot the free throws while not retaliating as they would like to get him out of the game.

With the caveat I don't watch Clipper games until the playoffs, so if he is still a dick on the court like CP3 then I wouldn't know.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby TheOp on Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:38 pm

Stupid idea. Im at a game to watch basketball, not boxing.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:33 am

mao! I knew I was gonna see Chris Paul and Kendrick Perkins names. The only sport that doesn't fight is golf, that,s understandable. But I did like a good NBA brawl every now and then. Especially in close exciting games where everyone wants to win so badly.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby S.R.05 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:52 am

easy for gortat to say as one of the biggest dudes in the league..i wonder how ricky rubio and steph curry feel about this
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby Fly Like A Mosquito Bite on Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:43 am

Let's watch your $20 million PG fight and get hurt. great idea.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby KB24 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:32 am

Too bad the big bad boys aren't in the NBA anymore...otherwise Gortat would get his arse smacked a few times and then shut up instead of desperately looking for street cred.
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby karacha on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:17 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Pekovic will be the NBA's "enforcer"….. not sure there's anyone in the game that could hurt that noggin in a fight…..


Probably not. It just isn't smart to go against that guy. Although he looks kinda small here:

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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:20 pm

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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby Forward Three on Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:37 pm

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought part of the reason hockey fights were somewhat tolerated was because even for how tough, burly and intimidating hockey players can be, when you're on skates throwing punches you're still less likely overall to do serious damage(not that it doesn't happen or that guys don't get laid out flat just overall it's less dangerous enough to be tolerable). Having solid footing on a basketball court and connecting with a solid punch you're immediately looking at a higher range of potential damage that doesn't accomplish anything.

I mean, I kinda get where he's coming from if you interpret it more like 'there should be dust-ups allowed' where players are allowed to push and shove a bit, shoulder checks and elbow shivers and all, but then you run into the problem of the game of basketball being so much more about 1v1 match ups than the game of hockey and you don't want to encourage players to lash out because they just got schooled by a crossover or whatever.

But oh would it be satisfying to see the smug knocked off some of the league's fake tough guys...
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Re: Marcin Gortat Wants Hockey Style Fighting in the NBA

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:19 pm

Gortat didn't want any part of JHill tonight. :man10:

He put up the white flag as soon as Hill started driving him like an OL on a 5 man sled.
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