Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby JSM on Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:05 pm

Mike Wells of the Indy Star wrote:Reggie Miller proved to be one of the NBA’s best clutch shooters over and over again throughout his 18-year career.

Just ask the Knicks. The New Jersey/Brooklyn Nets. Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls.

But what about one of the best shooting guards in NBA history?

That’s what one of Miller’s former teammates thinks.

Golden State Warriors coach Mark Jackson, who spent six seasons as Miller’s teammate with the Pacers, puts No. 31 near the top of the list once you remove a couple of guys named Jordan and Kobe.

“When you take Michael Jordan and you take Kobe Bryant out of the discussion, he’s as good as any two-guard that has ever played the game,” Jackson said.

That’s a pretty bold statement coming from Jackson when you think about the competition to be behind Jordan and Kobe.

Jerry West. Dwyane Wade. George Gervin. Clyde Drexler. Earl “The Pearl” Monroe.

Those are just a few in no particular order.

Do you agree with Jackson in saying Miller belongs up there behind MJ and Kobe?
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:20 pm

Wow. That's high praise.

I wasn't even sure Reggie should make the Hall-of-Fame.
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby Magic Skywalker on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:06 pm

I think he is a very well deserved Hall of Famer, but definitely not on the level of Jerry West, George Gervin or Dwyane Wade.
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby Maluco Beleza on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:35 pm

LOL didn't marc also predict the playoffs this year for his team...

reggie is great but 3rd all time?
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby 432J on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:36 pm

he's top 10 at best. definitely a worthy hall of famer and a star back in the day but nowhere guys like west and gervin
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby therealdeal on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:43 pm

He's definitely not 3rd, but he's up there among the greats. Not Kobe, not Jordan, probably not Wade. Not Drexler, not West, and not Gervin. Not Iverson and not Maravich...

Maybe above Greer and Sam Jones due to era...

So 9th? Did I miss anyone big?
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Postby gcclaker on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:29 pm

Miller was a great guard but in order to be as high as Jackson rates him to be he has to be a two way player that can play shut down or excellent defense. Miller has not really excelled in that area. I'd take Sidney Moncrief over him any day. Not as spectacular a scorer but SOLID as can be. Hell, Jordan once said he was the best two guard he ever played against.
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:05 am

therealdeal wrote:He's definitely not 3rd, but he's up there among the greats. Not Kobe, not Jordan, probably not Wade. Not Drexler, not West, and not Gervin. Not Iverson and not Maravich...

Maybe above Greer and Sam Jones due to era...

So 9th? Did I miss anyone big?


Walt Frazier, Adrian Dantley, Walter Davis, Dennis Johnson, Mitch Richmond! Joe Dumars, Dave Bing, Ray Allen....

On a personal note...... I'd put Maravich with Kode and Jordan in the top three..... All clearly ahead of the rest..... Gervin was a SF most of the time.....
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:19 am

I had forgotten Dantley for some reason... Johnson is debatable but among the lower tier of names. Richmond I also forgot. Dumars I had completely missed somehow. Allen I think is in the same vein as Miller.

Frazier was a PG, he played alongside Dick Barnett. Dave Bing was a scoring PG.

Maravich to me isn't close to those two. They not only gave All-NBA performances regularly during the regular season, but won rings as well. Those two did what very few have done in the history of the NBA and that's lead, or help lead, their teams to 5 Championships (MJ it's 6).
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:37 am

Dantley was an SF, he made his living in the low post despite being a relative shrimp at 6'5
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby purp n gold on Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:46 am

One year in Oakland and his basketball sense is already turned inside out...
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby nameant on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:52 am

Not even close. There are a number of SGs still playing today that are better than Reggie was, not to mention all the old legends...
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:10 am

therealdeal wrote:I had forgotten Dantley for some reason... Johnson is debatable but among the lower tier of names. Richmond I also forgot. Dumars I had completely missed somehow. Allen I think is in the same vein as Miller.

Frazier was a PG, he played alongside Dick Barnett. Dave Bing was a scoring PG.

Maravich to me isn't close to those two. They not only gave All-NBA performances regularly during the regular season, but won rings as well. Those two did what very few have done in the history of the NBA and that's lead, or help lead, their teams to 5 Championships (MJ it's 6).


Frazier played a lot of 2 in his days in NY with Monroe..... He's a combo guard at worst...

Dantley played 2 and 3 but rarely played "guard".... he was more of a post player but was listed as a guard quite a bit.

Maravich revolutionized the game...... without him Magic might not have existed in the way he did. One of the most talented and driven players to ever suit up.... He played in an era where moving to a championship ready team was nearly impossible..... he took teams to the playoffs that had no business being there..... I don't count "team accomplishments" when comparing players...... if that was a consideration why isn't Horry one of the all time greats?..... I had the pleasure of watching him play and he was every bit as good as Magic with the ball in his hands and a great scorer as well.... not many if any have ever possessed his skill set... the only others to be as well rounded are Kobe and Jordan IMHO.....
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:13 am

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:Dantley was an SF, he made his living in the low post despite being a relative shrimp at 6'5

Well he was a combo wing to me. Kind of in the Jordan/Kobe/Pippen mold of being able to move between the two positions.

If you want to list him as a SF, that's fine with me.
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:17 am

Rooscooter wrote:Frazier played a lot of 2 in his days in NY with Monroe..... He's a combo guard at worst...

Dantley played 2 and 3 but rarely played "guard".... he was more of a post player but was listed as a guard quite a bit.

Maravich revolutionized the game...... without him Magic might not have existed in the way he did. One of the most talented and driven players to ever suit up.... He played in an era where moving to a championship ready team was nearly impossible..... he took teams to the playoffs that had no business being there..... I don't count "team accomplishments" when comparing players...... if that was a consideration why isn't Horry one of the all time greats?..... I had the pleasure of watching him play and he was every bit as good as Magic with the ball in his hands and a great scorer as well.... not many if any have ever possessed his skill set... the only others to be as well rounded are Kobe and Jordan IMHO.....

Frazier was a point in my book, but if you want to list him as a combo then that's fine. We're not talking about that really, we're talking about where Reggie ranks.

Dantley: Guards can work in the post (see: Kobe and Jordan). But see above for my thoughts ^^.

I don't think you can simply discount the importance of winning a championship. That's not something idle that just happens with a great team. It takes a great leader, sometimes two, maybe three. Kobe and Jordan lead their team to titles, something Maravich didn't do and those two deserve credit for it. Maravich was great, I've watched the games he played and he was a lot of fun to watch. Someone kind of like him to me is Paul or Bird. Very good with the ball in his hand and able to attack from a lot of angles. He could score and he could find the open man. But again, he never was the one leading his team to the promise land and to me that deserves extra praise. I rank him below those two.

Anway, back on to the topic of where REGGIE ranks, not Maravich.
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:06 am

therealdeal wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Frazier played a lot of 2 in his days in NY with Monroe..... He's a combo guard at worst...

Dantley played 2 and 3 but rarely played "guard".... he was more of a post player but was listed as a guard quite a bit.

Maravich revolutionized the game...... without him Magic might not have existed in the way he did. One of the most talented and driven players to ever suit up.... He played in an era where moving to a championship ready team was nearly impossible..... he took teams to the playoffs that had no business being there..... I don't count "team accomplishments" when comparing players...... if that was a consideration why isn't Horry one of the all time greats?..... I had the pleasure of watching him play and he was every bit as good as Magic with the ball in his hands and a great scorer as well.... not many if any have ever possessed his skill set... the only others to be as well rounded are Kobe and Jordan IMHO.....

Frazier was a point in my book, but if you want to list him as a combo then that's fine. We're not talking about that really, we're talking about where Reggie ranks.

Dantley: Guards can work in the post (see: Kobe and Jordan). But see above for my thoughts ^^.

I don't think you can simply discount the importance of winning a championship. That's not something idle that just happens with a great team. It takes a great leader, sometimes two, maybe three. Kobe and Jordan lead their team to titles, something Maravich didn't do and those two deserve credit for it. Maravich was great, I've watched the games he played and he was a lot of fun to watch. Someone kind of like him to me is Paul or Bird. Very good with the ball in his hand and able to attack from a lot of angles. He could score and he could find the open man. But again, he never was the one leading his team to the promise land and to me that deserves extra praise. I rank him below those two.

Anway, back on to the topic of where REGGIE ranks, not Maravich.


Well.... by your logic he ranks below anyone that had anything to do with a championship..... So it should be pretty easy to "slot" him.....
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Postby Juronimo on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:28 am

Reggie as 3rd best ever? I'd put Ray Allen ahead of him easily. His game is more complete. I'd put Wade ahead of him too.
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Postby gcclaker on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:28 am

Maravich eluded me but yes he's a legendary shooting guard. Caught The Pistol near the end of his career. West SHOULD be above Miller. Jackson is going with who he saw play so it is understandable why he doesn't take previous players into his thinking.
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Postby dj vitus on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:35 am

Mitch Richmond? :man3: He put up some good numbers, but he just never seemed like he cared about winning. Just got his 22 and went home to collect his paycheck. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just what I saw in him.

I'll take Reggie Miller who puts his heart and soul on the line every night over Mitch "I don't mind losing as long as I get to score a lot" Richmond any day.
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Postby Finwë on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:47 am

therealdeal wrote:He's definitely not 3rd, but he's up there among the greats. Not Kobe, not Jordan, probably not Wade. Not Drexler, not West, and not Gervin. Not Iverson and not Maravich...

Maybe above Greer and Sam Jones due to era...

So 9th? Did I miss anyone big?

I always considered Iverson, Maravich and West as PGs more than SGs.. Iverson was a scoring guard, but he played the 1 right? I think you can say the same for West. Maravich IMO is the more PG-ish of the 3, he was an amazing facilitator and creator.
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby Finwë on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:49 am

Juronimo wrote:Reggie as 3rd best ever? I'd put Ray Allen ahead of him easily. His game is more complete. I'd put Wade ahead of him too.

I don't think Ray Allen's game is more complete than Reggie's..
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby Chopper on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:13 am

Guys, there are good friends and competed with each other back in their playing days.

I have no problem with him taking that opinion. Not going to get upset or worked up about him giving some respect to his good friend. At least he didn't have him above MJ or Kobe he he
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Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:36 am

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I wasn't even sure Reggie should make the Hall-of-Fame.




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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:37 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Well.... by your logic he ranks below anyone that had anything to do with a championship..... So it should be pretty easy to "slot" him.....

That's not even close to my logic and you know that.
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Re: Mark Jackson thinks Reggie is the 3rd best SG of all time

Postby therealdeal on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:39 pm

Finwë wrote:
therealdeal wrote:He's definitely not 3rd, but he's up there among the greats. Not Kobe, not Jordan, probably not Wade. Not Drexler, not West, and not Gervin. Not Iverson and not Maravich...

Maybe above Greer and Sam Jones due to era...

So 9th? Did I miss anyone big?

I always considered Iverson, Maravich and West as PGs more than SGs.. Iverson was a scoring guard, but he played the 1 right? I think you can say the same for West. Maravich IMO is the more PG-ish of the 3, he was an amazing facilitator and creator.

Yes, you can argue that. I guess the line is blurred when a PG is a scorer too or a SG is a good facilitator as well as a scorer. I'd rank Iverson and West as SGs, but I wouldn't argue if you wanted to put them as PGs.
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