Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:40 pm

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abeer3 wrote:I have zero respect for LeBron and wade for showing no competitive spirit in 2010, and i'll have even less for all this time around.

we've been over this before, but guys like kobe, magic, bird, mj...they wouldn't have done this.


You don't know that for sure. Magic came into a great situation and had a stacked team from the get go. Same with Larry Bird. And Jordan had Pippen and Grant a couple of years after he entered the league. Kobe had Shaq then Gasol.

Who did LeBron have in Clev? Mo Williams? The guy took a bunch of scrubs and helped them overachieve for years. You really don't know what these guys would've done in the same situation as LeBron. I mean he was playing in Clev of all places? LOL. That's like the worst place to play in the NBA. His legacy was on the line. He had played 7 years and there was no light at the end of the tunnel. He took his future into his own hands instead of hoping that management would be able to get another star. And I can't blame him for it. And we just don't know what these other greats would've done in the same situation.




yeah that cleveland team that ESPN and everybody that wasn't a laker or celtic fan thought was gonna win it all every year.


in mo williams own words "we're the best team in basketball"


they were the top seed in the east in those years, they were the top 2-3 seed in the whole league in those years.


i wouldn't say they were particularly deep, but that goes for the same for all the teams in east at that time minus the celtics, who the cavs were also the favorite to beat them, and who also had a better record than them for a couple of years, BUT STILL couldn't get out of the east to the finals.

lmao they lost to the 09 magic because lebron choked and couldn't bring it to the table.

i knew they couldn't beat the lakers if the matched up, no way. and even then they were favorites over the lakers most of the year.


LGL, seriously i don't understand your logic sometimes. Cleveland IS a horrible place to play, but thats lebrons home town so the location isn't a major factor.

but the man teamed up with 2nd best SG in the league (LOL, there were tons that argued he was the best) and Arguably at that time before he joined the heat, bosh was considered one of the best PFs in the league.

they devalued them selves and teamed up together, that is some sack of BS.

before they came together, if you made a 2k team with bosh lebron and wade, you think your friend would be happy with that roster?

hell why didn't AI, Kobe,T-Mac, KG, Dirk, Duncan, any combination of the 3 just give up and team up? because the grind is too hard.


this is why i believe your a low key troll (no offense if you aren't)


And what did Cleveland do when he left? Who did they have that was good? Mo? Varejo? Please man. That Cleveland team was Lebron and a pretty unimpressive supporting cast.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby LooN3y on Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:50 pm

that still doesn't change the fact that they were #1 in the east, #1/#2 in the whole league in standings


and favorites to win it all. that team was specifically catered for lebron. he got what ever he wanted, that team was built for him.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:58 pm

And during that Cleveland time, LeBron didn't commit a foul for like years. That shows you how much the league was playing 6th man on that team.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby 432J on Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:07 pm

if the heat retain lebron and acquire carmelo, i will stop following and watching the NBA forever

the NBA vetoed the cp3 trade but they'd allow this BS?
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:54 pm

That Tall Dude @B_Eds517
@TheRealJRSmith if Melo goes to the heat would u ever talk to him again

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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby JSM on Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:18 pm

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Let me be clear I do not believe Carmelo signs with Miami. Those around Melo say he isn't leaving money on the table. #Bulls #Rockets

Dark days ahead for Miami. Wonder where Bron will take his "talents" now
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby ZenMaster4President on Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:26 pm

So.... they couldn't win not 3, not 4... with 2.5 future HoFs (Bosh being a huge stretch, of course), so they need to bring another 0.5?

SG: Wade
SF: Melo
PF: Bron
C: Bosh

LOL. I hope they do it, as I think it's going to accomplish two things:

1. allow me to watch them fail
2. keep Melo away from the Lakers
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby gill on Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:33 pm

Will Adam Silver also bring in a second ball to the game of basketball to allow for this team to function???

I'd like to see this happen just to bring back shades of 2011 when EVERYONE rooted for the Heat to implode.

And they did!
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:29 pm

ZenMaster4President wrote:So.... they couldn't win not 3, not 4... with 2.5 future HoFs (Bosh being a huge stretch, of course), so they need to bring another 0.5?

SG: Wade
SF: Melo
PF: Bron
C: Bosh

LOL. I hope they do it, as I think it's going to accomplish two things:

1. allow me to watch them fail
2. keep Melo away from the Lakers


This X 100

As the tweet says above.... Melo isn't leaving money on the table. His lifestyle is dependent on baseball $$. He's on the Iverson highway..... just moving a little slower.

He wants to "win" not because it means anything to him directly..... but it's all about his image.

Yup..... keep this punk away from the Lakers. We've had our JR Rider.... don't need another one.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby Frank Dux on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:28 pm

ZenMaster4President wrote:So.... they couldn't win not 3, not 4... with 2.5 future HoFs (Bosh being a huge stretch, of course), so they need to bring another 0.5?

SG: Wade
SF: Melo
PF: Bron
C: Bosh

LOL. I hope they do it, as I think it's going to accomplish two things:

1. allow me to watch them fail
2. keep Melo away from the Lakers


Bosh is absolutely not a HOF stretch. He was a 25/10 guy with elite team defense. He's a 9 time all star for crying out loud. Lebron was the one who ruined him by turning him into a spot up shooter/pick and roll defender.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:00 am

So what do the "big 3" do now? Wade showed that he's basically done. The guy couldn't even run up and down the court keeping up with Manu freaking Ginobili. He got a season of only playing a couple of games a week and had nothing in the tank. Does he retire or does he get his money?

Bosh was probably their most reliable shooter when the games were on the line. I'm not sure how he wouldn't get a max contract in this open market. If he opted out of his contract and became a free agent, he's probably the best big man available (Monroe being the only other really good big man available).

LeBron needs to compete asap and it's looking like this team can't do it. So does he leave? If so where does he go? The teams with enough cap space to sign him right now no questions asked are: the Lakers, the Pistons, the Suns, the Jazz, and the Mavericks. Teams that could probably get to the max but aren't there yet: Cavaliers, Wizards, Magic, and Hornets. Some outside players that need to clear a lot of room: Chicago and Houston.

So what is LeBron's best option? Chicago has said they don't want him. They want to beat him. I really don't think he goes back to the Cavs, I truly don't think that's a possibility. Houston would make a ton of sense if they could get clear the space for him. The Mavericks would make some sense too and he'd be competitive very quickly. The Suns make a little sense if he's willing to go to a small market, which I doubt. I don't see the Pistons, Jazz, Wizards, Hornets, or Magic being players. What about LA?

LA has roughly 37.44 million in Kobe/Nash/#7/Marshall/Sacre which leaves 25.75 million or so. LeBron's max is just over 22 million. The Lakers slot him in and try to bring in another 1st round pick and a vet chasing rings. That team is already better than Miami's (health permitting) and the next summer they're looking at roughly 53 million in guaranteed contracts which leaves roughly 10 million available if the cap doesn't go up anymore. Convince someone to take a paycut to join (Marc Gasol?). This is obviously skewed from a Laker perspective, but it would be a relatively short period of time for him to get back on top. LA could be a dark horse for LeBron if he leaves and they pitch him ^ that. I just don't know if he's willing to stay in Miami for another rebuild.

If I'm Bosh I leave. Screw these guys. He's sacrificed a ton to be where he's at. He gets no credit. He gets a ton of blame even though Wade is the real culprit. If I'm Wade I take my farewell contract by opting in. To hell with LeBron and Bosh. Wade has been there from the start, he's clearly on his last legs. If I were him, I'd take my money like Steve Nash. If I'm LeBron I'm looking for a way out that won't take too long because his time is about to start fading. Interesting days to come here this summer.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby abeer3 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:51 am

yeah, i was really surprised to hear bosh say last week that he planned on returning no matter what. he's the guy who's taken the rep hit (undeservedly) while wade has been the one who underperformed. bosh could join houston, take a bigger role, and potentially win just as much. i hope that doesn't happen, as howard and harden are two of my least favorite players, and houston is an annoying organization.

as for lebron to la--i'll be the first to say it: kobe's contract kind of kills it. and had kobe signed a tim duncan contract, i'd honestly have the lakers in the driver's seat on this one. that's pretty painful to say.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:50 am

abeer3 wrote:yeah, i was really surprised to hear bosh say last week that he planned on returning no matter what. he's the guy who's taken the rep hit (undeservedly) while wade has been the one who underperformed. bosh could join houston, take a bigger role, and potentially win just as much. i hope that doesn't happen, as howard and harden are two of my least favorite players, and houston is an annoying organization.

as for lebron to la--i'll be the first to say it: kobe's contract kind of kills it. and had kobe signed a tim duncan contract, i'd honestly have the lakers in the driver's seat on this one. that's pretty painful to say.

Bosh in Houston might exactly what they need to be competitive honestly. A guy who willingly sacrifices himself, but fits pretty naturally with Howard and Harden. Good call.

Yeah I very much doubt there's a shot at LeBron from LA's perspective and in a sad way I think that was a decision that Jeanie and Kobe probably had a large hand in. I think Kobe's ego is massive enough that he would be hesitant about having him here. Kobe wants to beat him to win a Championship, not join him. I firmly believe that. And as admirable as that is, it's simply unrealistic at this point in time. LeBron coming to LA won't happen now. I was only saying that there's an outside chance at it if the team spun it the right way, that's all.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby abeer3 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:17 am

there's really very few sensible options for lebron in FA. he could join houston, chicago, or dallas and be very competitive right away. but could they build chemistry soon enough to be clearly better than staying in miami?

all have their own questions, too. can harden play off the ball, as he should with lebron?

does dirk have enough left in the tank to be a bosh-level sidekick?

is rose going to be something close to his former self?

i think lebron stays at least one more year in miami, and they re-evaluate after that. there's actually no reason to believe they can't get back to the finals again next year.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:20 am

abeer3 wrote:there's really very few sensible options for lebron in FA. he could join houston, chicago, or dallas and be very competitive right away. but could they build chemistry soon enough to be clearly better than staying in miami?

all have their own questions, too. can harden play off the ball, as he should with lebron?

does dirk have enough left in the tank to be a bosh-level sidekick?

is rose going to be something close to his former self?

i think lebron stays at least one more year in miami, and they re-evaluate after that. there's actually no reason to believe they can't get back to the finals again next year.


Agreed, I think Lebon stays where he is.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby thkthebest on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:22 am

One thing about Dallas is that they have an awesome coach. Rick Carlisle and the Mavs gave the Spurs the most difficult series, and that was with Dirk playing poorly.

Forget Houston. They're hopeless.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:26 am

Lakerjones wrote:
abeer3 wrote:there's really very few sensible options for lebron in FA. he could join houston, chicago, or dallas and be very competitive right away. but could they build chemistry soon enough to be clearly better than staying in miami?

all have their own questions, too. can harden play off the ball, as he should with lebron?

does dirk have enough left in the tank to be a bosh-level sidekick?

is rose going to be something close to his former self?

i think lebron stays at least one more year in miami, and they re-evaluate after that. there's actually no reason to believe they can't get back to the finals again next year.


Agreed, I think Lebon stays where he is.

True, but getting the Finals is only half the battle. Can he keep getting the Finals and losing? I think if he stays and they just retool a bit they'll probably get back to the Finals again by default. At least the Eastern Conference Finals. That's just because the East is so absolutely dreadful though. Then he gets to the Finals again maybe and probably loses again. Is it worth it? I don't know. I don't know how he recovers his legacy from 2/6 in the Finals. :man10:

In the end you're both probably right. Stay in Miami, give it one more go. If it fails look around next year for the team with Cap space to get you back on top right away. In that case I actually think the Lakers could hopefully be an even greater target if we find a way to get Love or Monroe or some young piece to help carry us. Kobe/Love/#7 could be a good enough core to convince a guy like him to bounce.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby abeer3 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:18 am

I know people ridicule Cuban for his attempts to sign star players, but I've been surprised that nobody has wanted to play with dirk (along with Duncan, the unassuming superstar I've ever watched) and for Carlisle. people chose Brooklyn (with Brook Lopez and avery Johnson, really?) and Houston (james harden and kevin McHale, REALLY?). must be something I don't see. that should be an attractive spot.

I also agree that if LeBron opts back in for a year, the lakers may have a better shot at him next year. pick up a solid starter, hit on the 7th pick, and have the promise that kobe will be finally taking his pay cut the following year to further bolster the roster...that's going to be attractive.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby gcclaker on Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:18 am

James - in prime
Bosh - in prime

Lewis - serviceable
Allen - serviceable

Wade - done
Haslem - done
Chalmers - scrub
Cole - scrub
Jones - scrub
Andersen - could leave for $$$
Battier - retiring
Oden - bust
Beasley - DNP
Douglas - DNP
Hamilton - DNP

DNP - Does Not Play

Anthony could muck up their offense with his tendency to go iso and play one on one. The ball will stick there. Also not a good defender and will not fit in with Miami's speedy switching defense.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:12 pm

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Sense around the league right now is that Wade and Bosh would be fools to opt out. No team will pay them max money & w/ Wade max years.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:17 pm

If I'm Wade or Bosh I tell them to go jump in a lake. They earned that money, especially Bosh.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby CGrand81 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:24 pm

Gotta love Riley, his conference calling out his team was epic. Dudes a boss.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby Weezy on Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:49 pm

therealdeal wrote:If I'm Wade or Bosh I tell them to go jump in a lake. They earned that money, especially Bosh.


Yeah, this isn't the NFL, they gave them the contract and they have to pay it. It would be good for the team If they took less, but that's not their problem. We're going through this with Nash, it sucks, but again, they gave him the contract, no one forced them.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:55 pm

Weezy wrote:
therealdeal wrote:If I'm Wade or Bosh I tell them to go jump in a lake. They earned that money, especially Bosh.


Yeah, this isn't the NFL, they gave them the contract and they have to pay it. It would be good for the team If they took less, but that's not their problem. We're going through this with Nash, it sucks, but again, they gave him the contract, no one forced them.

Exactly. And if Wade opts out then he's going to lose money. No one is going to offer him anything close to 20 million dollars even over the life of a contract. He'd be looking at 2/15 million or something. That's what he's worth now in this CBA.

Bosh honestly could be worth his contract. He carries them sometimes and I think he's better than what they've turned him into. He could be a 20/9/1 type of guy elsewhere and those kinds of stats deserve great pay.

To ask them to make themselves role players so LeBron can get all the money? I'd be pretty pissed off if I were them.
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Re: Miami Heat look to target Carmelo Anthony

Postby v1n5anity on Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:56 pm

gcclaker wrote:James - in prime
Bosh - in prime

Lewis - serviceable
Allen - serviceable

Wade - done
Haslem - done
Chalmers - scrub
Cole - scrub
Jones - scrub
Andersen - could leave for $$$
Battier - retiring
Oden - bust
Beasley - DNP
Douglas - DNP
Hamilton - DNP

DNP - Does Not Play

Anthony could muck up their offense with his tendency to go iso and play one on one. The ball will stick there. Also not a good defender and will not fit in with Miami's speedy switching defense.


Lewis is serviceable but Wade is done? Wade averaged 20/5/5 this season and averaged 20ppg on 54% shooting against the Pacers. He definitely struggled in the Finals, but no way is he "done". Cole isn't a scrub either. He has really good on-ball D and he's a decent backup PG.
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