Most game winners in 1 NBA season?

the only players i recall hitting big shots like kobe is are melo and arenas they both had a year where they were hitting some crazy clutch shots.

nameant wrote:

Kou wrote:Why the hell would you want your best player having to make game winning shots in the play-offs? Or even the finals for that matter.

I could be wrong, but it would be better than losing the game. Just a thought.

Interesting. So you're saying winning is better than losing? You are indeed a revolutionary, sir.

lakerswiz wrote:Well, 23 would be at one level, and I suppose even 24 would be at the next level.

Isn't that how progression with numbers works?

Not really, Kobe has already ATTEMPTED more game winners than MJ ever did. How is that the NEXT level?

Chronz wrote:

lakerswiz wrote:Well, 23 would be at one level, and I suppose even 24 would be at the next level.

Isn't that how progression with numbers works?

Not really, Kobe has already ATTEMPTED more game winners than MJ ever did. How is that the NEXT level?

Link?

gninerfan21 wrote:

Chronz wrote:

lakerswiz wrote:Well, 23 would be at one level, and I suppose even 24 would be at the next level.

Isn't that how progression with numbers works?

Not really, Kobe has already ATTEMPTED more game winners than MJ ever did. How is that the NEXT level?

Link?

Nope just common knowledge, MJ usually played well enough to defeat teams before that point, or he delivered in clutch fashion in close games long before requiring a final shot.

A few facts from this decade:

Peter D. Newmann of NBA Statistics and Information Research has tallied some numbers that take into account this season. Here are some of his findings:

* This season, Bryant has made seven of the 12 shots, with a chance to win or tie the game, in the last ten seconds of regulation or overtime.
* Bryant's the only player in the last decade who has made seven such shots in a season.
* Bryant has made 26 of the 89 potential game tying or game-winning field goals he has shot over the last decade. That's 29.2%, which is slightly above League average.
* His game-winners, against the Heat, Bucks, Kings, Celtics, Grizzlies, Heat and Raptors come in a season when no other player has hit more than three such shots. Derrick Rose has the second-most attempts, with eight.
* The best field goal percentage, on potential game-tying or game-winning field goals in the last 10 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime, belongs to Chris Paul. He has hit three of his four shots. Chris Bosh, Chris Duhon, Tim Duncan, Raymond Felton, Rudy Gay, David Lee, Rashard Lewis and O.J. Mayo are all two of three. This season, the League as a whole makes just 26.7% of its shots in that situation.
* Over the last decade, by field goal percentage the best shooters in this setting have been Carmelo Anthony (13-28, .464), Pau Gasol (9-22, .409), Tony Parker (11-29, .379), Chris Paul (9-24, .375) and Shawn Marion (10-28, .357). Bryant over the same period is 26-89 (.292).
* Bryant has attempted by far the most such shots of anyone over the last decade. His 89 is trailed by Vince Carter's 69, Paul Pierce's 57, Dwyane Wade's 51 and LeBron James' 50.
* Bryant's 26 makes also lead the League, followed by Carter with 20, Ray Allen with 17 and Allen Iverson's 14. Carmelo Anthony, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce have each made 13.

Unless you have a link to how many MJ has missed your statement holds no water.

Chronz wrote:

gninerfan21 wrote:Link?

Nope just common knowledge.

Fail.

all i know is there is no other player i'd take to hit a clutch shot.

7/12 for the year is really good.

LOL whats in it for me? I already know the truth, why waste countless hours researching something that any intellectual fan of the game would already know?

If you guys were to buy me some Taco Bell Id be down, I can assure you MJ's efficiency score in those situations is markedly higher, Ive seen it referenced a few times, so Kobe finally surpassing him in that arbitrary mark was only a matter of time. If you chuck enough, youll eventually make enough.

i have to say though kobe is much better at hitting game winners compared to game tying shots.

nameant wrote:

Kou wrote:Why the hell would you want your best player having to make game winning shots in the play-offs? Or even the finals for that matter.

I could be wrong, but it would be better than losing the game. Just a thought.

I could also be wrong, but it would be better not to be in that position at all in the first place, just saying.

I couldn't find any stats on Jordan's % on game winners, but I found this....

Kou wrote:

nameant wrote:

Kou wrote:Why the hell would you want your best player having to make game winning shots in the play-offs? Or even the finals for that matter.

I could be wrong, but it would be better than losing the game. Just a thought.

I could also be wrong, but it would be better not to be in that position at all in the first place, just saying.

You can't win every game in a blowout. A win is a win whether you win by 1 or 20+, it all counts the same. I'd rather win 16 games in the playoffs by 1 point than win 15 games in the playoffs by 10+.

Chronz wrote:LOL whats in it for me? I already know the truth, why waste countless hours researching something that any intellectual fan of the game would already know?

If you guys were to buy me some Taco Bell Id be down, I can assure you MJ's efficiency score in those situations is markedly higher, Ive seen it referenced a few times, so Kobe finally surpassing him in that arbitrary mark was only a matter of time. If you chuck enough, youll eventually make enough.

Just to be clear... if I am an intellectual fan of the game I would automatically agree with you.

Chronz wrote:A few facts from this decade:

Peter D. Newmann of NBA Statistics and Information Research has tallied some numbers that take into account this season. Here are some of his findings:

* This season, Bryant has made seven of the 12 shots, with a chance to win or tie the game, in the last ten seconds of regulation or overtime.
* Bryant's the only player in the last decade who has made seven such shots in a season.
* Bryant has made 26 of the 89 potential game tying or game-winning field goals he has shot over the last decade. That's 29.2%, which is slightly above League average.

What this shows is that THIS season, Kobe has reached a completely new level in comparison with his own history of game winning shots over the last decade. If he is at 29% including this year, then he was below that % before the season started. Now, this season, he has hit 7-12 which is 58% of a large sample. That means he has more than doubled his career % of hitting game winners this year. That could be the result of one freak season, or it could be that he has gained a new level of confidence and therefore success in making them. Either way, this season he has been absolutely spectacular in making game winners. Anyone that refuses to acknowledge that does so because of their own agenda.

Did Jordan have a Luke Walton that made him take a tough shot 8 feet behind the 3pt line instead of calling timeout and setting up again?

D.B. Cooper wrote:Did Jordan have a Luke Walton that made him take a tough shot 8 feet behind the 3pt line instead of calling timeout and setting up again?

The frustrating thing about that is, Phil has luke inbound in those situations and he always screws it up.

mike23 wrote:Mike dosen't have 23..he has 28..and that's not counting any of his game-winning free throws or shots with over 30 seconds left as some of you have included in kobe's game winning shots..All of MJ's 28 game winners are buzzer beaters or within 5 seconds..Kobe's a great closer but compaing him to Mike is not justified, especially since a lot of Michael's clutch shots are in the playoffs, not the regular season..But as far as one season goes, I don't know if someone has more but I remeber Melo had a streak of game winners a couple of years ago

Sorry, but none of what you said is correct.

Jordan-esque wrote:

mike23 wrote:Mike dosen't have 23..he has 28..and that's not counting any of his game-winning free throws or shots with over 30 seconds left as some of you have included in kobe's game winning shots..All of MJ's 28 game winners are buzzer beaters or within 5 seconds..Kobe's a great closer but compaing him to Mike is not justified, especially since a lot of Michael's clutch shots are in the playoffs, not the regular season..But as far as one season goes, I don't know if someone has more but I remeber Melo had a streak of game winners a couple of years ago

Sorry, but none of what you said is correct.