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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:18 am

unlike many I actually like Ron and I like him for this team. I hope he declines his offer and resigns for cheaper for 2 years.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:24 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:unlike many I actually like Ron and I like him for this team. I hope he declines his offer and resigns for cheaper for 2 years.

Unless he came back for the minimum, I don't think the Lakers want him here anymore honestly. Just because we're determined not to have money tied up long term and that includes Ron. I like him too as a person/player, but he's really close to not being a rotation player anymore. He makes bad decisions, his defense isn't really there against elite competition, and his shot is terribly inconsistent. He's still one of the hardest workers in the NBA though.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby D.B. Cooper on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:29 am

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Doc Brown wrote:^^^ That's assuming the Lakers actually see the picks as anything more than drafting some random Euro with no chance of coming over to the League.


Last time we did that we gave Memphis a "toss-in" DPOY.....

If we are dinking around with MWP's contract status either by amnesty or by trying to re-sign him for a lower amount it's shows that the "brian trust" isn't focusing on the team on the floor but their pocket book.

Getting a couple picks for him and maybe a serviceable player moves us forward even a little.... keeping him here for any reason is just prolonging the inevitable or showing that we are going to toss away next season while we wait for the 2014 plan..... which will become the 2015 plan.... which will...

I don't us getting anything for him.

I never saw Marc as a "toss in", I didn't think he'd be DPOY but a good service back up. Aaron Mc Key now that's a toss in.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:35 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:unlike many I actually like Ron and I like him for this team. I hope he declines his offer and resigns for cheaper for 2 years.


If we were a "Ron Artest" away from being relevant I'd agree.... but as it is we are a long ways away from contention with this squad.

I like Ron as well.... I think he and Kobe were the only two last year that didn't play just for themselves and with heart every game. That said... it's time to cut bait with about 2/3 of this roster and start over IMHO. Signing him for two years does nothing for this team's future.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:55 am

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Doc Brown wrote:Ron has an early termination option. He can just decline that and become a free agent. Then we can sign him back for a cheaper deal.


I didn't know about that. If true, and he does want to return, then that would make more sense.

Yes, but only at the veteran's minimum
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:42 am

Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
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Doc Brown wrote:Ron has an early termination option. He can just decline that and become a free agent. Then we can sign him back for a cheaper deal.


I didn't know about that. If true, and he does want to return, then that would make more sense.


What difference does it make? We're not getting under the cap this year so having his money come off the books to save 2 or 3 million doesn't make a lot of sense. It won't help us sign anyone.

He may have value as an expiring contract however ..... If he could bring back a serviceable player and two second round picks that's more value in the end than him chopping a couple million off his deal.

I assume the difference is we pay tax on a cheaper 2-3 mill contract rather than a 7 mill contact.


That helps the owner"s bottom line but does nothing about the team on the floor. Even Amnesty does nothing to better the roster.

Dumping him to a contender whomcould use him for a couple second rounders and some magic beans actually gives us something in return.

That may not be true. Maybe saving that money on Ron could increase our willingness to take on salary in a trade or use the full mini mle on a FA. I'm not sure if we're opposed to spending more than the minimum to avoid paying even more tax, but if we are, gaining the flexibility to get a mini mle player could be the difference between signing someone like Corey Brewer, Korver, Budinger, Wright & having to settle for guys who will take the minimum
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby kenshi1023 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:38 am

lakers should pitch to mwp to opt out, 3yrs 9mil, + an honorary statue somewhere inside staples center. he can finish his career as a lakers (he loves that).
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby JSM on Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:01 pm

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Metta World Peace has played 14 seasons in the league so far. He told @TWCSportsNet he plans on playing 20 before retiring.

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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby JSM on Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:06 pm

Dave McMenamin

Metta World Peace was on @TWCSportsNet and had a classic answer about what motivates him to stay in shape ...
"It's real simple: I like to do sexy magazine ads and that keeps me motivated to stay in shape," World Peace said as a guest host on Access SportsNet: Lakers on Wednesday. "So if I'm doing like a sexy magazine ad with my shirt off and my abs are showing, that means I'll be in shape for next season. That's the only thing that motivates me in the offseason."

Andy Adler responded with: "And you want another ring ..."

To which Metta chimed back: "I do want another ring. Sexy abs will get me that, because I'll be in shape.

:man10: Wonder if he's off his meds again.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby charvin on Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:41 pm

Oh dear...

JSM wrote:
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Metta World Peace was on @TWCSportsNet and had a classic answer about what motivates him to stay in shape ...
"It's real simple: I like to do sexy magazine ads and that keeps me motivated to stay in shape," World Peace said as a guest host on Access SportsNet: Lakers on Wednesday. "So if I'm doing like a sexy magazine ad with my shirt off and my abs are showing, that means I'll be in shape for next season. That's the only thing that motivates me in the offseason."

Andy Adler responded with: "And you want another ring ..."

To which Metta chimed back: "I do want another ring. Sexy abs will get me that, because I'll be in shape.

:man10: Wonder if he's off his meds again.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Center Court on Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:33 am

JSM wrote:
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Metta World Peace was on @TWCSportsNet and had a classic answer about what motivates him to stay in shape ...
"It's real simple: I like to do sexy magazine ads and that keeps me motivated to stay in shape," World Peace said as a guest host on Access SportsNet: Lakers on Wednesday. "So if I'm doing like a sexy magazine ad with my shirt off and my abs are showing, that means I'll be in shape for next season. That's the only thing that motivates me in the offseason."

Andy Adler responded with: "And you want another ring ..."

To which Metta chimed back: "I do want another ring. Sexy abs will get me that, because I'll be in shape.

:man10: Wonder if he's off his meds again.


This whole I'm innocently crazy thing was cute when we were winning. It's just getting old now. For a dude who can barely get the ball over the rim on a fast break, I really have grown tired of his BS pleas for attention.

I want the really crazy Ron that will smash your face if you look twice at him. At least that guy intimidated opponents.

This amnesty is well deserved.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:19 am

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Metta World Peace has played 14 seasons in the league so far. He told @TWCSportsNet he plans on playing 20 before retiring.

:man4:

Obviously must be joking. I'd a little surprised if another team picked him up after we amnesty him. And he won't get another contract more than one year with an optioned second of the mini-MLE level tops.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby XXIV on Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:34 pm

^ I have no doubt that he'll get picked up if we were to amnesty him. It won't be for anything more than vet min. - miniMLE type money though.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby NewDynasty on Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:57 pm

I rather we amnesty Nash and his huge contract. At least we only have to deal with crazy ron for one more year but we got 2 more with nash.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:10 pm

We cannot amnesty Nash.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:49 pm

lakersin4 wrote:That may not be true. Maybe saving that money on Ron could increase our willingness to take on salary in a trade or use the full mini mle on a FA. I'm not sure if we're opposed to spending more than the minimum to avoid paying even more tax, but if we are, gaining the flexibility to get a mini mle player could be the difference between signing someone like Corey Brewer, Korver, Budinger, Wright & having to settle for guys who will take the minimum


How can we take more salary in than we send out regardless of where MWP is?
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby JSM on Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:13 pm

MWP wants to be a broadcaster/analyst when he retires + more on him wanting a "fair" contract.

Dave McMenamin of ESPN wrote:Anyone who watched Metta World Peace's epic press conference following Game 7 of the 2010 Finals knows just how entertaining the man can be with a microphone a TV cameras in front of him.

Now a few years later, with his NBA future up in the air, the Los Angeles Lakers forward is testing out what it would be like to transition to a broadcasting career once his playing days are done.

World Peace has embarked on a media whirlwind this summer, using the exposure on the likes of ESPN's "SportsNation," ESPN LA 710 radio's "Max & Marcellus Show," ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!," Time Warner Cable SportsNet's "Access SportsNet: Lakers" and the NBC Sports Network's "The Crossover" with Michelle Beadle to promote his new children's book and to explore what it's like to be one of those doing the talking rather than be the one being talked about.

"I think I’m a different type of analyst because I’ve been involved in so many different situations where I can be judged and I’ve always tried to not judge someone," World Peace told ESPNLosAngeles.com in a telephone interview.

"At one time we probably shook hands and now I’m on TV talking about this player, he might not be able to take it. So, it’s my job to try to smooth it over and I always make sure I do that. That’s why I’m always having fun, because I don’t want the players to think that I’m killing them in the media."

While World Peace is willing to do wacky things like when he gorged on cupcakes during his TWC SportsNet appearance to keep things light, he certainly doesn't always sugarcoat his opinions.

When asked for his analysis of the current NBA Finals matchup between the Miami Heat and San Antonio Spurs, World Peace did not hold back.

"Mentally, the Spurs are strongest right now," World Peace said. "I think LeBron and (Chris) Bosh they want it to be given to them. I don't think they're taking it upon themselves like a (Michael) Jordan would have done."

Those opinions will get people to tune in. And there could be a need for a strong voice like World Peace's in the near future, as the NBA's most outspoken broadcaster, Charles Barkley, told SI.com back in November that he is contemplating leaving TNT in search of a new challenge.

Not that World Peace is planning on retiring from the NBA just yet. World Peace, who just finished his 14th season in the league and will turn 34 in November, wants to play six more seasons before calling it a career.

"I’m just giving people a taste because I don’t know what organizations are thinking, so I’m like, ‘You know what? I got to start giving people a taste of what I can do,’" World Peace said. "I want to do 20 years in the NBA and I’m going to stay in shape so I can reach 20 years, or maybe even 21, who knows? But I’m going to give people a taste of what I can do when I’m behind the TV screen officially. That’s what I’m doing now."

Before World Peace can consider playing 20 seasons, there's still that pesky question of figuring out where he'll be for season No. 15. He has a player option for $7.7 million for next season, but if he exercises it the Lakers could very well use their one-time amnesty provision to get out of that contract and waive World Peace.

His other option is to try to work out a new, multi-year deal to stay in L.A., which he seems to prefer.

"I came here at a discount five years ago and I did that because I just want to win," World Peace said. "One thing I realized that is when players take all the money, you don’t have enough (cap) room for other winning players to be on the team. So, for me, it’s more about just being fair. I thought my last contract was fair. I probably could have got more somewhere else, but I thought it was fair. Right now, the main thing with the Lakers whenever we cross that path is that (the offer) is just fair."

World Peace is leaving it up to his agent to take care of that. He has been working out at the Lakers' practice facility in recent weeks, but when he sees general manager Mitch Kupchak, they talk basketball, not dollars.

"I’m trying to just stay in shape and I want to make sure I’m in shape for the Lakers’ season next year," said World Peace, who is recovering from left knee surgery but plans to ramp up his offseason workout routine starting June 15. "So my whole focus is next year with the Lakers and whatever my agent and the Lakers come up with, I will most likely agree to whatever they come with."

In the meantime, he is diving headfirst into TV and not holding anything back. Like when he filmed a skit with Will Smith on "Kimmel" and had the movie star, who was playing the role of a blind referee, actually strike him in the face for a laugh.

"I always wanted to do a movie with Will Smith and I had a chance to do the skit," World Peace said. "When they did it, the producer said, ‘Hey, smack him!’ and I was like, ‘Yeah, smack me!’ Will said, ‘Hey, hey, I’m not smacking him.’ He said to the producer, ‘Let me smack you and see how it feels.’ Then I said, ‘No, no, don’t worry about it. Let’s make this skit funny.’

"Then Will smacked me in the chest the first take, because he wanted to see how I was going to react. I said, ‘Will, why didn’t you smack me in the face?’ He said, ‘I wanted to see how you were going to react.’ He said, ‘Now I know that you’re not going to react, I’m going to smack you in the face.’ And then he smacked me in the face. It was fun."

Going on TV is not only fun for World Peace, but he said that staying in the spotlight as a member of the media after he's retired from the NBA will give him a chance to advance his causes of education and mental health awareness.

"Here in America, we’re losing the battle on education worldwide," World Peace said, explaining the motivation behind writing his "Metta's Bedtime Stories" book. "I want to be part of something special. I want to be part when we start turning around. I want to start with the children, get them interested in reading."

And when they're done their reading, he won't mind if they change the channel to find him on TV somewhere.

"People want me to be on TV and it’s kind of humbling because I’ve been through so much," World Peace said. "I’ve been on the other side of the media. So, I can definitely see myself doing it, being humbled, because I respect analysts, journalists, commentators. I don’t think that’s an easy job. I think it’s a hard job."
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:34 pm

Yea and I've wanted a "fair" player at the SF spot the last two years.

Haven't gotten it and Ron can get "fair" on the market, not here.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:21 pm

Sorry edited to clarify, I think Ron could still get the MINI-MLE from a few teams.. He's not done, he's just not a guy you want to start & play 33 MPG. He definitely sounds open to the idea of opting out to sign a longer/cheaper deal, so if Mitch can get him back on a reasonable deal I'd like to see it happen. 2-2.5 per season with the 3rd season as a team option, I'll take it. The guy was our 2nd best player for a stretch of games last season.. He can't do that consistently but we shouldn't be asking him to. If we can get a real starting SF (Granger plz) & manage Ron's minutes in a manner that allows him to play all out all the time instead of pacing himself to play 33 mpg, I think he can still be a really important role player for us.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Frank Dux on Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:50 pm

^A team would be foolish to offer Metta the MLE. He's a below average player with absolutely no athleticism, overrated defense, awful efficiency, and truly awful basketball IQ. I would hesitate offering anything more than the vet minimum.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:08 am

Again if he wants to come back, it'll be for basically the minimum. Maybe 2 million tops. A one year contract with a team-optioned second.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby XXIV on Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:08 pm

I could definitely see a team offering him around the mini-MLE salary. Hopefully he opts out and he accepts something less with us, but if he were to return I would rather he be our backup SF than starting. We need some youth/shooters inserted into the starting lineup and he doesn't help.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby JSM on Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:24 pm

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Metta World Peace has been training at IMG Academy and all of the players said he has looked great. Unfortunately, I didn't see him today.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:37 pm

He can look great, but he will never look 8 million dollar great next season.
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Re: MWPeace Discussion: amnesty? (pg. 203)

Postby charvin on Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:31 pm

Looking great at this point equates to nothing. He looked great last year, didn't translate to much.
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