NBA better than NFL?

NBA better than NFL?

Postby ShanesFM on Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:01 am

I would like to start off by making clear that in no way am I bad mouthing the NFL or the game of Football. I too love and adore the game that has been America's new favorite past time.
However, when I come in contact with delusional, arrogant and naive NFL fans I can't help but get defensive about the game I'm very passionate about. So, here are a few of my reasons:

1. Officiating
Most of you may have heard of the recent mayhem that ensued after one of the most horrific calls on Monday nights football game on Sept. 25th between the Green Bay Packers and Baltimore Ravens. How I see it, that day signaled a shift in perception of how the games are managed. It is clear the NFL was hit with a black eye on this issue. But it's not just this one play or one night, it has been ever since this season has started with the replacement refs. Some of my NFL buddies have even admitted that this season should have an asterisk next to it.
Now the counter argument to the NBA would be the issue that arose back in 2002 during the playoffs and Tim Donaghy with the whole gambling debacle.
But here's the difference, this ref acted off his own pursuant effort for greed and in the end began getting tangled in with the mob that would not allow him to stop. Whereas the NFL is blatantly holding the fans, who fork over billions to this organization/game, hostage to replacement refs that came from High School or Community College level of play. That to me, as a fan, would be a slap to the face.
Others will try to comeback about "Conspiracy Theories" from the following seasons, but unfortunately these sound more like disgruntled fans or NBA haters. And no, a youtube video showing me a bad call or missed call on a particular game or even a few games doesn't equate to proof when there are 82 games per team which means there are thousands of calls in one season. If you can show me a video showing over 50% of all NBA games in a single season being called wrong on purpose and on a consistent basis then I'll believe you, until then.

2. More is BETTER
Now I'm not necessarily stating that "more" defines better in comparing sports because I think most of us can agree that MLB has MORE games, but can be a tad bit too long of a season. And the NFL is on the exact opposite of side of that equation. The NFL is just too short! Not just in games, but also the amount of action. When you sit down for your next fix of NFL consumption, try to have a stop watch, notepad and pencil handy and calculate how much action time did you watch during the game. The NFL comes in spurts where the NBA is constant. With the NBA there is constant action when the clock is running and the only time there is no action is when the clock stops for a timeout, foul or out of bounds play occurred. You could even make a case that during a foul where a player is awarded 2-3 shots, it too can be considered action.

Again, I'm not downing the NFL because I too watch it from time to time and I'm active with a football pool every year which makes the game more fun to me, but it's hard for me to watch a game where 1 team can be held scoreless. It's funny to me to see my NFL buddies hammer my MLB friend for the game being too slow and not enough action when in fact they are almost exactly the same in terms of spurts of action with long delays and possible shutouts. Some people may like shutouts....but I would like to think most people are on the side of offense over defense, if given a choice of which dynamics are more entertaining.

So all in all, with the NBA you get more BANG for your BUCK! 82 games, non-stop action, no shut outs equals AWESOME!!


3. Best of the BEST
Maybe more than ever the NBA has accumulated more talent than I can remember. I know each era had a lot of talent....shoot HOF galore, but the talent and athleticism in the league today is beyond words. When you watch the NBA, even a horrible team, you know your watching some of the most conditioned players in the world. (Soccer probably being one of the most conditioned athletes overall)
Much of the NFL are one dimensional players. The QB position, for the most part, just throws or hands off the ball. The receivers fair from being quick to fast and usually have good hands to catch the ball. And I could go down the line to the kicker. Can you imagine how silly it would be to have a guy who just shot free throws? Or another guy who just tips the ball at the beginning of each half?
And you will never see an out of shape basketball player in the NBA. I can probably name 5 or more players from each team in the NFL that couldn't run a mile without possibly suffering some sort of stroke or heart failure. Look, I understand they're building there bodies for the position they play, but if the game itself calls for out of shape players then what does that really say about the game?

4. More Talent
Now what do I mean by more talent? There's certainly just as much talent in the NFL than the NBA. Some of you may say there's more since the volume of players are larger per team than in the NBA. Unfortunately, I beg the differ. The NBA is one of the few sport in the world that have players that could transcend and flourish in other sports besides basketball. Take Lebron James for instance. As much as I despise him, he is insanely gifted and could unquestionably perform in other sports including the NFL. Even Charles Barkley once stated that he would take Westbrook as a WR if he could choose an NBA player for his football team. ha-ha. As funny as it sounds at first, he's not too far off on the logic. Westbrook is 6' 3" and his speed is constantly talked about. Remember, most of these guys are anywhere from 6'3" to 6'7" and athletic as hell. Most WR in the NFL are 6' to 6'3". Imagine if the NBA was gone and the Westbrooks and Lebrons of the NBA were let loose in the NFL? On the flip side how many NFL players could truly come to the NBA and flourish?

5. Playoffs
The last thing on this list is the one game elimination playoff system. Ironically this is what intrigues most people and even myself. To know that all it takes is one game and futures can be erased makes the stakes high, unfortunately this is also where I shake my head. Just like the 3 reasons I included above, the playoffs are the pure definition of each of those points.
-1. MORE IS BETTER - 1 game gives nice TV ratings, but I want to see what a team will do on both sides. How would they perform on an Away game and Home game. I want to see more games. More games equal more action and more fair balance. It tests each team equally in a grind out playoff run. More games=More fun!
-2. BEST OF THE BEST- In a best of 7 playoff contest you will know who the BEST of the BEST is! Anyone can get lucky. I don't want to watch a sport where I know the best team didn't win. If I want to watch a crap shoot I'll watch the crap shoot game at the local Casino. Some NFL fans say the Super Bowl champions ARE the BEST! But I completely disagree. At the Pro level of sports, even the worst teams can sometimes beat the best of teams. In knowing that simple fact that would also mean in a 1 game elimination would hinder you viewing the BEST of the BEST. Could you imagine if Jordan and the Bulls couldn't continue because of a fluke loss in the playoffs? You can argue and debate how those are the rules and if they win then they are the better team, but in a best of 7 match there will be know doubt. Where as the NFL has should-ofs and could-ofs.
-3. More Talent and More Stars.
And after seeing the BEST of the BEST make it you get what you get in the NBA Finals....the BEST. Star studded with nothing but HOF names and Superstars. In 2010 you had the rivalry of the Lakers & Celtics which included Kobe, Pau against Paul Pierce, Garnett and Rondo. Next year you had the Big 3 in Miami (Wade, Lebron, Bosh) against Dirk & Jason Kidd. Last year you had Miami's big 3 again against OKC's big 3 (Durant, Westbrook & Harden).
In the NFL last year the Super Bowl had Eli Manning vs Tom Brady. Woopty doo!

**Bonus**
People may get offended and claim that I don't know what I'm talking about or rag on the flopping or even bring up how the NBA is soft. Here are my answers to that:
1. I'm 32 years old and was brought up on College & Pro Football along with Baseball most of my life, so I can definitively say I know Football. My knowledge and love of the game, even though it differs from yours, is unquestionable.
2. As for the flopping, I agree this is an issue, but the last few years in football I too have seen flopping so to act as if it doesn't occur in your sport is being disingenuous. As for the amount of flopping, yes, the NBA "Recently" has been flooded with more than usual, but David Stern has already implemented a change of rules this following season to disengage these type of acts. So that argument alone falls flat right there. The NBA takes care of these issues when the voices of displeasure arise where as the NFL here's the noise from Monday's game and they could care less about what you think.
3. Yes, the NBA is much more softer in terms of foul calls on the defensive player and Technicals being issued for just foul-like behavior. However, the NFL has fall victim to the pressure of putting more points on the board as well with the "Protecting the Quarterback" Rules and no bumping rule on a pass. It too has grown soft. Unfortunately fans want more points which means more dunks or touchdowns. The NFL is no different.

So please comment below and tell me your opinions or views on each sport in comparison. And please be respectful.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby revgen on Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:29 pm

I've never been a big football fan. The only time I like watching football is if a team is behind with only 2 minutes left and doing a no-huddle offense the whole time trying to get a game winning or game tying TD.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:42 pm

Football has way more viewership and makes a lot more money than the NBA.

Is the product better? Right now, yes. Even WITH the officiating, this NFL season has been extremely interesting for NFL fans. New stars coming up like RG3, new teams looking great like Seattle and Arizona, and parity seems high right now which is drawing interest.

I love the NBA and I think NBA athletes are the best on the planet, but the NFL is a better league right now. It's getting close though. If the NBA's young stars can take another step forward, I think the NBA has a shot at surpassing the MLB for sure. The NFL right now though is on a pedestal that other sports need to aim at.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:01 pm

Not even close. There's far too many bad teams in the NBA. Realistically only five teams could win the championship this coming season. The Lakers, Thunder, Heat, Celtics, and Spurs. In the NFL there's so much parody that really any team could win the Super Bowl.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:37 pm

Football is kind of boring to me. Every game is like 4 hours long and the actual playing time only makes up something like 9% of a broadcast. The rest is just reaction shots, sideline shots and replays
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby Kasumi on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:46 pm

Good analysis. Even if someone were to disagree with you, can't say that you didn't lay out a rational argument for your assertion. I've tried to watch football and just can't do it, I can't get into it. Even hockey holds more interest for me. Although I do enjoy football movies.

One more argument on the more is better category - if you have a bad game, you only have to wait a couple days (if that) until the next game to try again. In football, you have to stew for a full week. Plus, in basketball, every team plays against every other team - home & away. Not the case in football.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby Finwë on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:44 pm

I don't know what's objectively better, but I LOVE the NBA, and I don't watch football.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby The Original 81 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:02 pm

I think football its more appealing to the average person. One game a week, high intensity, fast paced, just more exciting to that person rather than watching a basketball game thats on 3-4 times a week. I agree with your point about football being played a lot less being a negative, but I think that also works in their favor.

I think basketball absolutely takes more skill than football. Football is definitely more demanding physically for obvious reasons. I can only imagine how their bodies feel after a game.

I do like football but its not comparable to my love for basketball.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:04 pm

Completely different games and products.... The NFL puts a fantastic product on the field (recent events excluded) while the NBA has concentrated talent in just a few locations..... The overall skill level of the NBA is watered down by the number of teams and the HS kids that have physical talent but no fundamental game nor work ethic to gain the skills.... Contraction of 4 teams and a minimum draft age of 21 would make a much more competitive league IMO....

You can re-work your roster in the NFL in one or two off seasons from a poor team to a contender.... that just doesn't happen in the NBA often if at all....

The games have evolved differently as well..... The NBA game can be absolutely dominated by one player out of 5.... The NFL game cannot.... in fact without a complete team few teams and individuals find consistent success. One Superstar in the NBA gets you to the playoffs most years..... you can have two or three and not even be .500 in the NFL because of the "team" nature of the sport.

I've played both games quite a bit (played college football) and enjoy watching both about equally. I was better as a player on the football field but always liked basketball a little more....

Finally the comment and thought that a NBA player because of his athletic prowess could step on the football field at the NFL level and even compete is not based in the reality of the difference of the games...... Physical ability has little to do with overall value in the NFL.... it's a factor but not a decider in who is great and who's a bust....... go look at the "combine" stats from year to year and then overlay that with the All-Pro and Pro-Bowl picks in a given year and you'll see what I mean. 4.3 speed means jack if you can't run predictable routes and catch while taking a hit.......
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby ShanesFM on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:29 am

Rooscooter wrote:Completely different games and products.... The NFL puts a fantastic product on the field (recent events excluded) while the NBA has concentrated talent in just a few locations..... The overall skill level of the NBA is watered down by the number of teams and the HS kids that have physical talent but no fundamental game nor work ethic to gain the skills.... Contraction of 4 teams and a minimum draft age of 21 would make a much more competitive league IMO....

You can re-work your roster in the NFL in one or two off seasons from a poor team to a contender.... that just doesn't happen in the NBA often if at all....

The games have evolved differently as well..... The NBA game can be absolutely dominated by one player out of 5.... The NFL game cannot.... in fact without a complete team few teams and individuals find consistent success. One Superstar in the NBA gets you to the playoffs most years..... you can have two or three and not even be .500 in the NFL because of the "team" nature of the sport.

I've played both games quite a bit (played college football) and enjoy watching both about equally. I was better as a player on the football field but always liked basketball a little more....

Finally the comment and thought that a NBA player because of his athletic prowess could step on the football field at the NFL level and even compete is not based in the reality of the difference of the games...... Physical ability has little to do with overall value in the NFL.... it's a factor but not a decider in who is great and who's a bust....... go look at the "combine" stats from year to year and then overlay that with the All-Pro and Pro-Bowl picks in a given year and you'll see what I mean. 4.3 speed means jack if you can't run predictable routes and catch while taking a hit.......
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby Philliekb8 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:03 am

The Original 81 wrote:I think football its more appealing to the average person. One game a week, high intensity, fast paced, just more exciting to that person rather than watching a basketball game thats on 3-4 times a week. I agree with your point about football being played a lot less being a negative, but I think that also works in their favor.

I think basketball absolutely takes more skill than football. Football is definitely more demanding physically for obvious reasons. I can only imagine how their bodies feel after a game.

I do like football but its not comparable to my love for basketball.


re. first sentence: average American right? outside of the US people care way more about basketball i would assume?!
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:27 am

Football Games Have 11 Minutes of Action

According to a Wall Street Journal study of four recent broadcasts, and similar estimates by researchers, the average amount of time the ball is in play on the field during an NFL game is about 11 minutes.

In other words, if you tally up everything that happens between the time the ball is snapped and the play is whistled dead by the officials, there's barely enough time to prepare a hard-boiled egg. In fact, the average telecast devotes 56% more time to showing replays.

So what do the networks do with the other 174 minutes in a typical broadcast? Not surprisingly, commercials take up about an hour. As many as 75 minutes, or about 60% of the total air time, excluding commercials, is spent on shots of players huddling, standing at the line of scrimmage or just generally milling about between snaps. In the four broadcasts The Journal studied, injured players got six more seconds of camera time than celebrating players. While the network announcers showed up on screen for just 30 seconds, shots of the head coaches and referees took up about 7% of the average show.


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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby lakersStan24 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:13 am

The NBA is Better & Far More Exciting to Me
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Postby Cleansed on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:01 am

Finwë wrote:I don't know what's objectively better, but I LOVE the NBA, and I don't watch football.


^ This. I have nothing against the NFL but it doesn't appeal to me as a viewer or in general.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby The Original 81 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:11 am

Philliekb8 wrote:
The Original 81 wrote:I think football its more appealing to the average person. One game a week, high intensity, fast paced, just more exciting to that person rather than watching a basketball game thats on 3-4 times a week. I agree with your point about football being played a lot less being a negative, but I think that also works in their favor.

I think basketball absolutely takes more skill than football. Football is definitely more demanding physically for obvious reasons. I can only imagine how their bodies feel after a game.

I do like football but its not comparable to my love for basketball.


re. first sentence: average American right? outside of the US people care way more about basketball i would assume?![/quote]

Yep I was referring to the average American. Thanks for the correction. On a global scale, the NBA is definitely more popular. The NFL has tried to branch out across the globe with minimal success...
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby davriver290 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:41 am

I'm so glad this has been brought up. I have a ton of buddies who are football fans. And I've gone to houses and watched them. And I noticed it has a very slow pace. Not the actual game action itself, but the game overall. Lots of huddles, commercials, switching teams (Special teams etc...) and I'm like guys, this is boring! I would usually get some crap from them but I just can't get into football no matter how hard I try. I even followed the Denver Broncos a season when they had Tebow. I still didn't get the whole fiasco regarding him and I just never got into it. I love basketball. It can be fancy or just pure fundamentals. It can be fast or slow (both having its pros and cons) fast meaning tons of points and excitement. Slow meaning more physicality and probably tempers running high. More exciting end-games finishers. Superstars that can dominate leaving the game more unpredictable. (Is he gonna kill us? or is he gonna struggle?)

I don't know, the NBA i feel has a lot more stuff in the pot than football does. But thats just my opinion and probably my personal bias.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby Finwë on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:37 am

CaCHooKa Man's post says it all for me..

I believe basketball is the best sport ever invented, so I couldn't choose the NFL even if I liked watching football (don't hold it against me, in Argentina NO ONE plays or watches american football. Meanwhile, "soccer" -which is the original football btw- is extremely popular.)
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby S.R.05 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:08 pm

i'd rather watch the lakers over any nfl game for the most part, unless comparing the superbowl or postseason to a regular season lakers game. but overall i gotta go with the nfl. i love the parity, especially this season. i think there was a record set for how many teams started 1-1 this year & just going through a list of all the teams theres only a handful that i would consider bad overall. put it this way i'd way rather watch a bengals v redskins game like last weekend than something like bucks v raptors

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Postby therealdeal on Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:06 pm

Showtime.Revival.05 wrote:i'd rather watch the lakers over any nfl game for the most part, unless comparing the superbowl or postseason to a regular season lakers game. but overall i gotta go with the nfl. i love the parity, especially this season. i think there was a record set for how many teams started 1-1 this year & just going through a list of all the teams theres only a handful that i would consider bad overall. put it this way i'd way rather watch a bengals v redskins game like last weekend than something like bucks v raptors

also fantasy football is awesome

I think parity works for the NFL on a level that the NBA doesn't really have. It's already difficult for an NFL team to stay relevant for 2-3 years, let alone the decades enjoyed by LA. I think parity in the NBA is better with teams like OKC, Golden State, the Bucks for a flash, etc. can get hot and make a run for a few years, but the marque teams should always be good in the NBA (Knicks, Lakers, Celtics,Bulls).

I'm with you though on watching football compared to basketball. I LOVE basketball obviously, but I'll watch two "bad" football teams go at it over to "bad" NBA teams for sure. I'll watch Jacksonville vs. New Orleans before I watch Pistons vs. Bobcats.
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Re: NBA better than NFL?

Postby Juronimo on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:24 pm

Personally I just can't into football no matter what I do. Part of it is that there is no local team to root for and if I don't have something personally staked in the outcome it's hard for me to watch it, or give up 3 hours of my life to watch a game where I don't care who wins.

I just love basketball, everything about it so even if I'm watching a game where the Lakers aren't playing, I'll still watch it but growing up rooting for the Lakers, going to the playground as a kid pretending to be Magic or Kareem, that made basketball a lot more personal for me, which is something I don't get from other sports. I watch baseball too and I'm an Angels fan but I'm nowhere near into baseball like I am into basketball. I would never watch a baseball game that the Angels aren't involved in. With football, I'm just ehh... I don't even bother with the super bowl unless a friend is having a get together and I'm invited.

I think it goes into what you grew up watching and what you grew up playing. I didn't play football unless forced to in PE but basketball I loved playing even though I sucked at it. I think that makes a difference for me personally.
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