NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:44 am

Scnottaken wrote:I think you just inadventantly proved Puffy's point. I think his point all along was that people treat LeBron like they do Kobe, or any all time great, which is to call him out when he's played badly for his standards. In fact, a quick google search of "NBA finals 2010 Kobe" reveals MANY people were/are VERY salty at Kobe for that series. Of course, they were two different series, which is clearly evident if you watch them. Kobe didn't shoot particularly well that finals, in fact no one did. Hell, only 3 people averaged .500 FG% or above. That series was a grind it out, defensive series, where both teams didn't score over 100 pts in any game, and two games in which either team scored over 100. Compare that to this series, where. . . well the defense wasn't the focus. What may seem like "hating' is merely a call for equality in the sport and the way it's broadcast.

Just what I have been saying. It isn't about hating on Lebron at all. It is about giving him the scrutiny that seems to be the norm for every other great player.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:51 am

The Rock wrote:Hate hate hateeee that Lebron won but Im glad Duncan/Spurs didnt equal our 5. Choked big time lol he got single covered all game by Bosh and just couldn't punish him, especially late in the game whne he blew a gimme layup.

Bosh played great D on timmy. Although Timmy was fouled a lot late in that game.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby dj vitus on Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:30 pm

All in all, I'd say the Heat had one of the easiest/weakest championship runs in recent memory, beating three 40-win teams, and one 50-win team. Bulls all injured, Danny Granger sidelined, Tony Parker's hamstring... And they still needed two Game 7's. That has to be some kind of record. But oh well, a win is a win is a win, so congrats Miami once again.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby The Rock on Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:43 pm

Choke lol smaller Battier guarding him
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby XXIV on Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:54 pm

^ Couldn't believe he missed the shot along with the tip. You could tell by his reaction afterwards that that might have sealed the game for Miami.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby LakerFanIam on Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:38 pm

^^^ Yeah. That was a HUGE miss & Timmy knew it. He will make that 9 times out of 10.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:57 pm

He'll make that probably 19 times out of 20. Maybe even 29 times out of 30. That shot literally made me scream like I was in pain. My dog came to my rescue because he thought I was in distress. :man10:
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby gcclaker on Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:05 pm

^For as stoic as Duncan is in all the seasons I have watched him play, last night was the first time I've ever seen him lose his cool. Slapping the floor in anger then sitting there on the bench stewing in frustration.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby KJ MonK on Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:19 pm

The Rock wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Does Stephen Jackson change this series at all if they didn't let him go?


good point


Not according to SJax, who claimed that Popp accused him of intimidating the younger players, and that he told SJax to admit Danny Green was the better player. Taking that into consideration and with the way Danny Green started the series, either Green would have lost minutes (and that production) to the slower SJax or SJax wouldn't have seen much more floor time than TMac did... either way, probably negligible impact

Edit: Changed my mind before clicking Submit... SJax would've helped out in Games 6-7 when Green was smothered... he's good for a couple 'off the dribble wtf' clutch buckets, but with the way Popp stuck with Manu so hard (overcoaching?) i still doubt he would have played enough

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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:22 pm

The conversation re: LeBron would be totally different right now had Ray Allen not bailed the cHeat out at the end of game 6.

Just. sayin.'
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:38 pm

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:The conversation re: LeBron would be totally different right now had Ray Allen not bailed the cHeat out at the end of game 6.

Just. sayin.'


Cherry picking..... Does Ray Allen have that chance if LeBron doesn't block the shot and hit the 3 to close the gap to 3? Does any of that happen if he doesn't nearly single handedly erase a 10 point deficit in the first 4 minutes of the 4th....

See how it can work if you just want to look at 3 second snapshots?....

Also neither of them have a chance if Leonard makes the free throw.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:01 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:The conversation re: LeBron would be totally different right now had Ray Allen not bailed the cHeat out at the end of game 6.

Just. sayin.'


Cherry picking..... Does Ray Allen have that chance if LeBron doesn't block the shot and hit the 3 to close the gap to 3? Does any of that happen if he doesn't nearly single handedly erase a 10 point deficit in the first 4 minutes of the 4th....

See how it can work if you just want to look at 3 second snapshots?....

Also neither of them have a chance if Leonard makes the free throw.


It is true there are a lot of "If this did or didn't happen" that could be said.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:18 am

The Rock wrote:Hate hate hateeee that Lebron won but Im glad Duncan/Spurs didnt equal our 5. Choked big time lol he got single covered all game by Bosh and just couldn't punish him, especially late in the game whne he blew a gimme layup.


So averaging 27 and 14.5 in Game 6 and 7 of the Finals at 37 is choking now ... ridiculous post
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Finwë on Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:28 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Does Stephen Jackson change this series at all if they didn't let him go?


Jackson could have been a nice alternative to Green in Game 6 and Game 7 ... but that's a big IF

I liked Diaw for that role
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:39 am

Finwë wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Does Stephen Jackson change this series at all if they didn't let him go?


Jackson could have been a nice alternative to Green in Game 6 and Game 7 ... but that's a big IF

I liked Diaw for that role


definetely ... thing is Diaw always plays within himself while Green badly hurt his team trying to put the ball on the floor ... something he can't do .

plus Diaw had his moments on the floor
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:27 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:The conversation re: LeBron would be totally different right now had Ray Allen not bailed the cHeat out at the end of game 6.

Just. sayin.'


Cherry picking..... Does Ray Allen have that chance if LeBron doesn't block the shot and hit the 3 to close the gap to 3? Does any of that happen if he doesn't nearly single handedly erase a 10 point deficit in the first 4 minutes of the 4th....

See how it can work if you just want to look at 3 second snapshots?....

Also neither of them have a chance if Leonard makes the free throw.


Makes no difference.

All that would be remembered is that LeBron fell short again.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:46 am

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:The conversation re: LeBron would be totally different right now had Ray Allen not bailed the cHeat out at the end of game 6.

Just. sayin.'


Cherry picking..... Does Ray Allen have that chance if LeBron doesn't block the shot and hit the 3 to close the gap to 3? Does any of that happen if he doesn't nearly single handedly erase a 10 point deficit in the first 4 minutes of the 4th....

See how it can work if you just want to look at 3 second snapshots?....

Also neither of them have a chance if Leonard makes the free throw.


Makes no difference.

All that would be remembered is that LeBron fell short again.


I guess if all your interested in is ESPN analysis...... For those of us who actually understand and watch the games it actually does matter.

What it seems everyone here wants is for LeBron to get the same crap treatment from fans and the press that Kobe has gotten.... While all the time knowing it wasn't even close to being right. So now some here want another great player to get the same unfair treatment ...

Teams win championships not players.... Miami's role players stepped up, SA's didn't.

As for LeBron..... He's gone from a player with nothing but raw physical talent to a very complete player and has been able do develop mental toughness..... I just wish the clown we have with similar physical talent had the same drive to be great.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:34 am

Rooscooter wrote:
I guess if all your(sic) interested in is ESPN analysis...... For those of us who actually understand and watch the games it actually does matter.

What it seems everyone here wants is for LeBron to get the same crap treatment from fans and the press that Kobe has gotten.... While all the time knowing it wasn't even close to being right. So now some here want another great player to get the same unfair treatment ...

Teams win championships not players.... Miami's role players stepped up, SA's didn't.

As for LeBron..... He's gone from a player with nothing but raw physical talent to a very complete player and has been able do develop mental toughness..... I just wish the clown we have with similar physical talent had the same drive to be great.


It would be more than just an "ESPN analysis."

When you are the team's leader and (supposedly) the best player in the world, the buck stops with you.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Finwë on Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:05 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Finwë wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Does Stephen Jackson change this series at all if they didn't let him go?


Jackson could have been a nice alternative to Green in Game 6 and Game 7 ... but that's a big IF

I liked Diaw for that role


definetely ... thing is Diaw always plays within himself while Green badly hurt his team trying to put the ball on the floor ... something he can't do .

plus Diaw had his moments on the floor

Yeah Boris was balling this whole series. On both ends.
Weird that Pop didn't give him a chance in that final quarter..
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby charvin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:58 pm

There were too many "what ifs" in Game 6 & 7.
- Ginobli, Parker, and Leonard making just one more free throw in Game 6
- Ginobli not hoisting up every available 3 possible in the last few minutes of Game 7 and making only one

The list goes on and on, but in the end, the Spurs gave it away.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:42 pm

Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
I guess if all your(sic) interested in is ESPN analysis...... For those of us who actually understand and watch the games it actually does matter.

What it seems everyone here wants is for LeBron to get the same crap treatment from fans and the press that Kobe has gotten.... While all the time knowing it wasn't even close to being right. So now some here want another great player to get the same unfair treatment ...

Teams win championships not players.... Miami's role players stepped up, SA's didn't.

As for LeBron..... He's gone from a player with nothing but raw physical talent to a very complete player and has been able do develop mental toughness..... I just wish the clown we have with similar physical talent had the same drive to be great.


It would be more than just an "ESPN analysis."

When you are the team's leader and (supposedly) the best player in the world, the buck stops with you.


Careful.... you've set up a scenario where you can then say a lot of great players have not done well when the bright lights are on. How many finals did Magic lose again?.....

Which one of our players takes the hit for 2004... or 2008?

Jerry West and Elgin Baylor don't belong in the HOF either.... how many times did they lose to the Celtics?

Basketball is a team sport and the ones who are elevated to iconic status don't deserve all the praise and the one who don't "win" are not losers. That's a fairly childish and simplistic way of looking at it IMHO.

The whole idea of elevating these players is for marketing in the first place.

LeBron has grown as a player... he's filled in the holes in his game and fixed his head. Give the guy props.... but also give the role players props because without them he doesn't get to be on ESPN 24/7

Where would Shaq and Kobe be without Horry, Shaw, Fisher and MWP? Each one of those players played pivotal roles in every Chip Kobe has.... and he'd have no rings without their timely plays/games.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby charvin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:30 pm

Would you really say that LBJ has filled in the holes of his game? Pop dared LBJ and Wade to shoot jumpers and more often than not, it worked in the Spur's favor.

Rooscooter wrote:
Mr_Hollywood_Line wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
I guess if all your(sic) interested in is ESPN analysis...... For those of us who actually understand and watch the games it actually does matter.

What it seems everyone here wants is for LeBron to get the same crap treatment from fans and the press that Kobe has gotten.... While all the time knowing it wasn't even close to being right. So now some here want another great player to get the same unfair treatment ...

Teams win championships not players.... Miami's role players stepped up, SA's didn't.

As for LeBron..... He's gone from a player with nothing but raw physical talent to a very complete player and has been able do develop mental toughness..... I just wish the clown we have with similar physical talent had the same drive to be great.


It would be more than just an "ESPN analysis."

When you are the team's leader and (supposedly) the best player in the world, the buck stops with you.


Careful.... you've set up a scenario where you can then say a lot of great players have not done well when the bright lights are on. How many finals did Magic lose again?.....

Which one of our players takes the hit for 2004... or 2008?

Jerry West and Elgin Baylor don't belong in the HOF either.... how many times did they lose to the Celtics?

Basketball is a team sport and the ones who are elevated to iconic status don't deserve all the praise and the one who don't "win" are not losers. That's a fairly childish and simplistic way of looking at it IMHO.

The whole idea of elevating these players is for marketing in the first place.

LeBron has grown as a player... he's filled in the holes in his game and fixed his head. Give the guy props.... but also give the role players props because without them he doesn't get to be on ESPN 24/7

Where would Shaq and Kobe be without Horry, Shaw, Fisher and MWP? Each one of those players played pivotal roles in every Chip Kobe has.... and he'd have no rings without their timely plays/games.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:00 am

charvin wrote:Would you really say that LBJ has filled in the holes of his game? Pop dared LBJ and Wade to shoot jumpers and more often than not, it worked in the Spur's favor.



Exactly.

LeBron has made some improvements to his game, but it's premature to compare him to truly great players like Magic, MJ, Kobe, et al.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:35 am

I agree with Roos, though. It's a team sport, and it makes much more sense to compare championship teams, not star players.

MJ was transcendent in his first 3 championships. He had to be; his team wasn't that good.

In his second threepeat, his team was arguably one of the best-contructed teams of all time. He didn't have to be transcendent; he played a much "easier" game like LeBron had the luxury of this year.

Tragic Johnson choked some finals in the early 80's, but by the late 80's he was transcendent.

Kobe had to play his butt off in the 09-10 years, since the team didn't really have a legitimate second star. Gasol has disappeared for stretches of playoff games since his first playoff win as a Laker. Kobe played a much easier game in his threepeat, with Shaq sharing dominance roles. The 00-02 Lakers were a much better team than the 09-10 teams.

LeBron has been lucky to have such a great team this past few years. Riles has the right approach: You can never have too much talent. The Miami team is stacked this year, and they just about ran the table after the all-star break, with LeBron having an easy time. I still contend that without the aggressiveness of Wade in the finals, LeBron would have coasted to a loss.
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Re: NBA Finals: Spurs vs Heat

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:41 am

^^Wade and Bosh were both key.... but the bench and Chalmers were the difference IMO.

Green disappearing killed SA OTOH.... he was more of a factor than Manu's problems. If he hits even 30% of his 3's in the final two they win.
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