NBA to test for HGH

NBA to test for HGH

Postby John3:16 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:15 am

and Durant isn't worried. :man10:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9031485/nba-nears-agreement-nbpa-test-hgh-sources-say

The NBA and National Basketball Players Association are close to an agreement to test players' blood for human growth hormone (HGH), according to sources with direct knowledge of the talks. Testing could begin as soon as the 2013-14 season.

The NBA has long had HGH on its list of banned substances, but has never tested for it, because doing so means collecting players' blood, which the union has never allowed, and because there was little agreement about the test's reliability.

But those concerns have eroded lately, sources say, with a frenzy of progress in talks between the league and union. A decisive factor: Major League Baseball and its respected union have agreed to blood tests for HGH, weakening the basketball union's claims that the test was unreliable or that blood testing is too invasive.

Terms of the 2011 NBA collective bargaining agreement created a committee to hash out the particulars of HGH testing. Progress had been slow, until recently.

There has also been pressure from the World Anti-Doping Agency, which chided the NBA for "gaps" in their testing program last fall, as well as the U.S. Congress. In late 2012, Rep. Elijah Cummings called delaying HGH testing over concerns about the test "incredibly ridiculous."

In a statement emailed to ESPN.com, Cummings elaborated: "According to the expert witnesses who testified at our hearing, there is consensus among the scientific community that HGH testing is safe and reliable. Since the NBA agreed last year to start HGH testing -- and since professional basketball players already compete in the Olympics where they are subject to HGH testing -- there is no reason to delay HGH testing for the NBA itself. My hope is that all our professional sports leagues implement HGH testing right away to set an example for millions of young athletes across the country who look up to them."

With the two sides agreeing in principle, over the last few months, to test players' blood for HGH, the more talks have been about the conditions under which blood specimens could be collected.

At the moment, NBA players are subject to six urine tests a year, two of which occur in the offseason. It is unknown how many blood tests will be added to the schedule, if that blood will be examined for anything beyond HGH, and if the blood tests will be in addition to, or instead of, urine tests.

A further complication had been that the union itself is in disarray, with longtime executive director Billy Hunter suspended for misconduct and subject to federal investigation. Staff attorney Ron Klempner is directing the union on an interim basis. Sources insist HGH testing can proceed regardless, and the union can and will implement HGH tests before resolving its leadership issues.

Those with knowledge of the talks say it is a foregone conclusion that HGH tests are coming, as soon as next season.

NBA commissioner David Stern predicted as much at the All-Star Game in Houston in February, saying "we have a comprehensive drug testing program that has a long list, probably a hundred or so, I'm not even sure the number, of drugs that are prohibited, including HGH, subject to an agreement of the validity of an appropriate testing protocol. And we expect that to happen, we really do, before the start of next season."

Until recently, none of the major north American sports -- MLB, the National Football League, the National Hockey League and the NBA -- made blood tests a major part of their anti-doping programs. This was in no small part in response to privacy concerns raised by those sports' unions. Athletes are not unionized in international sports like track and field and cycling where blood testing is common, and even extends to comprehensive measures like biological passports, which have been lauded by anti-doping experts.

Baseball recently led a breakthrough among major leagues by announcing an agreement to collect and analyze players' blood, not just for HGH but for other substances, too, including with biological passports.

Stern acknowledged last month that basketball lagged behind baseball in that regard.

"There will always be some kind of leap frogging there, as there was in 1983 which we were the first league to have an anti-drug program and dealt with a variety of things. So it's always subject to be improved," he said. "But together with our Players' Association, which I think has taken a leadership role here, I'm sure we will continue to improve it."
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Re: NBA to test for HGH

Postby KB24 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:17 am

Wade will be in trouble.

Ever since his jaw started to balloon up...only a fool would believe he is clean.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:47 am

People who will suddenly get hurt, lose weight, and lose explosiveness next season: Dwayne Wade, others.
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Postby 432J on Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:54 am

wade is in trouble
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Postby LakerFanIam on Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:54 pm

^^^ Nah... That early pic of Lebron was from when he was 18yrs old... Even then he was just a bigger dude than most other players in the league. I got to see him up close his rookie season... I was shocked at just how big his frame was... Now, Wade is a different story.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:24 pm

I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if LeBron juiced/juices, but I think most of his growth has been clean. Unless he was taking way early on in his life. That rookie pick looks reasonable to me.
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Re: NBA to test for HGH

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:43 pm

Well, being one of the more cynical posters here.... I wouldn't be surprised if over half the league was on some sort of PED. The thought that it's just in "other" sports is not a particularly rational thought.

When recovery times start shortening exponentially and careers begin to elongate beyond a certain trajectory that can be explained by conditioning/diet it becomes apparent that this is most likely going on at a much higher rate than most think.

There is big money at stake here and any real attempt to stop it will be basically lip service until the NBA has a death or other tragedy related to their use.
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Postby Chillbongo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:12 pm

^Agreed for the most part. But I think people overlook the diet and conditioning aspect. Guys like Kobe are on another planet when it comes to conditioning.

Diet is seriously overlooked. If you give your body the right fuel and are extremely strict about it, you can erase or mitigate MANY adverse health and aging effects, at least in the short run.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:16 pm

Yeah but dieting won't help an already professionally honed basketball player get his explosiveness back like Kobe has. Healing could. If his knees finally are back to where they should be and his fingers aren't hurting as much and his wrist isn't bothering him every day, then sure he could get some of that explosion back.

But I'm with Roos. Honestly I'd bet the majority of people in the NBA use something to some degree that is questionable. But if they were to release a statement that said: "Evidence shows LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Howard, Kobe, Paul, Rose, Durant, Westbrook, and Griffin all exposed as PED users" how do you think that'd go down in the public?

How many millions would the NBA lose? How many millions would be lost in endorsements? In advertising?
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Postby sho on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:24 pm

therealdeal wrote:Yeah but dieting won't help an already professionally honed basketball player get his explosiveness back like Kobe has. Healing could. If his knees finally are back to where they should be and his fingers aren't hurting as much and his wrist isn't bothering him every day, then sure he could get some of that explosion back.

But I'm with Roos. Honestly I'd bet the majority of people in the NBA use something to some degree that is questionable. But if they were to release a statement that said: "Evidence shows LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Howard, Kobe, Paul, Rose, Durant, Westbrook, and Griffin all exposed as PED users" how do you think that'd go down in the public?

How many millions would the NBA lose? How many millions would be lost in endorsements? In advertising?

That's why they get the aged superstars like baseball did. The Sosa, the Clemons, the Palmero. In the NBA a player like Chauncy Billups or Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan, players that have one foot to retirement. Also pop a few mid-level players that have a name, but aren't superstars. A Kyle Korver, Aldredge or Noah type player. Then clean up the act where current superstars and up and comers are viewed as clean.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:38 pm

Chillbongo wrote:^Agreed for the most part. But I think people overlook the diet and conditioning aspect. Guys like Kobe are on another planet when it comes to conditioning.

Diet is seriously overlooked. If you give your body the right fuel and are extremely strict about it, you can erase or mitigate MANY adverse health and aging effects, at least in the short run.


Isn't Kobe the one who eats "In n out" all the time and pizza?
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Re: NBA to test for HGH

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:46 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:^Agreed for the most part. But I think people overlook the diet and conditioning aspect. Guys like Kobe are on another planet when it comes to conditioning.

Diet is seriously overlooked. If you give your body the right fuel and are extremely strict about it, you can erase or mitigate MANY adverse health and aging effects, at least in the short run.


Isn't Kobe the one who eats "In n out" all the time and pizza?


Actually Kobe changed his eating a couple years back from what I heard. Unlike the other guys Kobe puts in the work year around kinda like Jerry Rice did in football. He maintains his edge by working. These other guys spend the summer off and come back looking like Greek Gods still. I'd be shocked if Kobe was on it though I wouldn't put it past any athlete at the top of their game. Wade I'd bet money on especially with 90% of these smart drugs are coming out of Miami. The King I'm on the fence with but even with him I wouldn't be shocked.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:57 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:^Agreed for the most part. But I think people overlook the diet and conditioning aspect. Guys like Kobe are on another planet when it comes to conditioning.

Diet is seriously overlooked. If you give your body the right fuel and are extremely strict about it, you can erase or mitigate MANY adverse health and aging effects, at least in the short run.


Isn't Kobe the one who eats "In n out" all the time and pizza?

Not anymore. He got serious a few years back and then this season I think he cranked it up even more.
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Postby Maluco Beleza on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:58 pm

people know what kobe eats from day to day...

im sure nobody really knows anything about that even if you heard he changed his diet
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:58 pm

sho wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Yeah but dieting won't help an already professionally honed basketball player get his explosiveness back like Kobe has. Healing could. If his knees finally are back to where they should be and his fingers aren't hurting as much and his wrist isn't bothering him every day, then sure he could get some of that explosion back.

But I'm with Roos. Honestly I'd bet the majority of people in the NBA use something to some degree that is questionable. But if they were to release a statement that said: "Evidence shows LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Howard, Kobe, Paul, Rose, Durant, Westbrook, and Griffin all exposed as PED users" how do you think that'd go down in the public?

How many millions would the NBA lose? How many millions would be lost in endorsements? In advertising?

That's why they get the aged superstars like baseball did. The Sosa, the Clemons, the Palmero. In the NBA a player like Chauncy Billups or Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan, players that have one foot to retirement. Also pop a few mid-level players that have a name, but aren't superstars. A Kyle Korver, Aldredge or Noah type player. Then clean up the act where current superstars and up and comers are viewed as clean.

Ouch throwing Duncan and Garnett under the bus. :man10:

It can be done, but it'd be such a nightmare for the league. Especially now when it's enjoying the most profit it's ever seen. The league's popularity is through the roof right now.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:02 pm

Maluco Beleza wrote:people know what kobe eats from day to day...

im sure nobody really knows anything about that even if you heard he changed his diet


what the hell are you talking about again? Kobe's workout and habits are well documented. Oh I forgot who I am responding too. Nevermind.
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Postby Chillbongo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:16 pm

therealdeal wrote:Yeah but dieting won't help an already professionally honed basketball player get his explosiveness back like Kobe has. Healing could. If his knees finally are back to where they should be and his fingers aren't hurting as much and his wrist isn't bothering him every day, then sure he could get some of that explosion back.

Healing obviously is a huge portion. If he didn't get those knees repaired, he would not be doing what he is, diet & PEDs aside.

But actually diet seriously influences inflammation within the body which obviously has a huge effect on muscles and joints. Diet may not be the reason he can dunk, but along with conditioning it's the reason he can dunk game after game after game.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:17 pm

Maluco Beleza wrote:people know what kobe eats from day to day...

im sure nobody really knows anything about that even if you heard he changed his diet

Just some quick googling.
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_22718729/lakers-star-kobe-bryant-continues-feast-thanks-diet?source=most_viewed
Bryant attributes that to losing 16 pounds this offseason mostly by improving his diet. He's replaced sweets and fast food with lean meat and vegetables.

"Diet is always the hardest thing," Bryant said. "We're accustomed to eating what we want to eat whenever we want to eat it. You become comfortable with that. A change in that is a change in your lifestyle. That's been the most difficult."


http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/kobe-bryant-defies-father-time-using-traditional-diet-while-ashton-kutcher-ends-up-in-the-hospital-ignoring-it/
LA Lakers trainer Gary Vitti says that the staples of Kobe’s diet include pasture based foods like grassfed beef and eggs from free-range chickens. Kobe makes every effort to avoid anything with corn syrup and his carbohydrate consumption has been scaled down to a very moderate level.

Focusing on getting traditional fats into his diet and the wrong fats out is of prime importance to Kobe. Vitti described the dangers of following a lowfat diet and why Kobe is not following the USDA Food Pyramid – in fact, he’s following the inverse:

“When they strip the fat, they strip all the nutrients with it. We don’t necessarily want to stay away from fats, but it has to be the right kind of fat.

The current science reverses the pyramid. The base of the pyramid is on the top. We’re not telling them to just eat fat – it has to be the right kind of fat. Pasture-grazed beef and products from that; you can eat butter, but it has to be pasture-fed. Not pasteurized, pasture-fed. There’s a big difference. Milk from a pasture-fed cow, cheese from a pasture-fed cow.”

No margarine or vegetable oil tub spreads for this NBA star. Kobe Bryant who is playing better than he did in his twenties and shattering NBA records in his mid-thirties eats butter!

But not just any butter, unpasteurized (raw) butter from pastured cows just like the healthy, robust traditional Swiss culture that revered it’s deep yellow/orange butter from cows grazing on the first spring grass.

http://www.examiner.com/article/los-angeles-laker-kobe-bryant-dishes-diet-and-workout-tips-fitness-column
Kobe, who recently overhauled his diet, says eating pizza and other junk food was his Achilles heel.

"I only started really focusing on my nutrition a few years ago," he admits. "I started experiencing low energy and was feeling bloated. Then it hit me: 'Kobe you’re not 25 anymore' (I once had pepperoni pizza before scoring 81 points).

"It was time to adjust, so the struggle began. Lots of veggies, fruits, fish and lean meats. Portions were small and I found myself craving a snack every two hours!! So I would dig through the pantry searching for anything to munch on to hold me over to the next healthy meal time. Recently I changed my outlook and it really helped. Instead of viewing my new way of eating as a diet, I looked at it as a way of life. Balance was the key. I didn't want to feel like I was punishing myself. Now, though it's still difficult, I enjoy the veggies much more knowing that if I have an occasional cookie I'm not a failure :-) "


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Re: NBA to test for HGH

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:20 pm

Ding Ding Ding. Sounds like he's on Paleo, and I wouldn't - without a doubt - refuse to believe it has contributed to his play this season along with his healing and conditioning, and possible some sort of supplements.
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Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:50 pm

Maluco Beleza wrote:people know what kobe eats from day to day...

im sure nobody really knows anything about that even if you heard he changed his diet

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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:55 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:^Agreed for the most part. But I think people overlook the diet and conditioning aspect. Guys like Kobe are on another planet when it comes to conditioning.

Diet is seriously overlooked. If you give your body the right fuel and are extremely strict about it, you can erase or mitigate MANY adverse health and aging effects, at least in the short run.


Isn't Kobe the one who eats "In n out" all the time and pizza?

Not anymore. He got serious a few years back and then this season I think he cranked it up even more.



Just as long as he isn't taking a handful of supplements like Ratliff....
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Postby Lakeshow24 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:50 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
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Rooscooter wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:^Agreed for the most part. But I think people overlook the diet and conditioning aspect. Guys like Kobe are on another planet when it comes to conditioning.

Diet is seriously overlooked. If you give your body the right fuel and are extremely strict about it, you can erase or mitigate MANY adverse health and aging effects, at least in the short run.


Isn't Kobe the one who eats "In n out" all the time and pizza?

Not anymore. He got serious a few years back and then this season I think he cranked it up even more.



Just as long as he isn't taking a handful of supplements like Ratliff....


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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:30 am

well dwights gonna be in trouble
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