Nets Make Trade Call To Celtics On Kevin Garnett (Pg. 4)

Nets Make Trade Call To Celtics On Kevin Garnett (Pg. 4)

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:09 pm

Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

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By Buck Harvey

The Spurs will consider everything and everyone this summer when free agency begins. But one option tossed out this weekend by one in the Spurs organization is not just another name.

Kevin Garnett.

Don’t know him?

He’s better known in San Antonio as Tim Duncan’s evil twin.

There was a time when it looked like Duncan and Garnett might face off against each other for the 2012 title. Duncan came within two wins of the Finals, Garnett one.

Now they are unrestricted free agents, and, as always, contrasts. While Duncan is expected to quietly re-sign this summer with the Spurs, no one is sure what happens next in Boston. Garnett added to the uncertainty Saturday night, leaving the locker room without talking to reporters.

Garnett could retire. He could sign another contract with the Celtics. Or the Celtics might not want to sign him so they can begin rebuilding.

“Hopefully management can do something to bring [Garnett] back, maybe add some pieces to this team that we need to get over the top,” Paul Pierce told reporters Saturday night. “If not, it’s been a tremendous run.”

The Celtics reacted after the loss Saturday night as if they knew the run is over. And if that is true, and if Garnett wants to continue playing, teams will line up to sign him. He can still defend, and he averaged more than 19 points, 10 rebounds and 36 minutes in the playoffs.

Some will have more money to offer than the Spurs will. Some might have more young talent to put around him. All the Spurs could give Garnett is the closest thing to what he had in Boston, a veteran core with a chance to contend.

But it’s the pairing of Garnett with Duncan that would make this free-agency signing a stunning story. While they would fit together on the court, they never have as people. They are similar in size, ability and birth (one month apart), yet have been opposites.

This spring told of that again: Sports Illustrated wrote Duncan “hates (Garnett) the way liberals hate Sean Hannity.”

Still, playing against someone isn’t the same as playing with him. A lot of scorers never liked Bruce Bowen defending them, for example, but they probably would have wanted him on their team.

So listen to what else Pierce told reporters Saturday about Garnett:

“He’s done everything for my career, just his locker room presence, his desire, his determination. Just his leadership. I said before, when Kevin first got here he really changed the culture of everything we did around here, you know, practice habits to the discipline. He made everybody accountable, from the ball boys to the chefs to the guy who flew the plane, everybody was accountable. It’s been tremendous to have him around, just the culture he brought, you know?”

Think Duncan could play with someone like that?


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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:26 pm

So is everyone else. I think if he's looking for greener pastures (no pun intended) it's not there.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:28 pm

He's not leaving Boston. He'll either retire or resign with the Celtics.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby Thenextgreat on Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:11 am

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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby XXIV on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:06 am

I doubt he goes to SA, but how cool would it be to see Tim and KG playing together.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:42 pm

therealdeal wrote:So is everyone else. I think if he's looking for greener pastures (no pun intended) it's not there.


I think this could be a very plausible destination for him. They were one clutch player away from the finals and I can't think of a player out there that wouldn't want to play for Pop and their "big 3".
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:48 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
therealdeal wrote:So is everyone else. I think if he's looking for greener pastures (no pun intended) it's not there.


I think this could be a very plausible destination for him. They were one clutch player away from the finals and I can't think of a player out there that wouldn't want to play for Pop and their "big 3".


Any contender is a plausible destination for him really. The Lakers are just as plausible if and when they move Gasol. I think the draw of Pop will be off-set a bit by the fact that their big 3 is more of a big 2.8 with Parker being 2.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:28 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
therealdeal wrote:So is everyone else. I think if he's looking for greener pastures (no pun intended) it's not there.


I think this could be a very plausible destination for him. They were one clutch player away from the finals and I can't think of a player out there that wouldn't want to play for Pop and their "big 3".


Any contender is a plausible destination for him really. The Lakers are just as plausible if and when they move Gasol. I think the draw of Pop will be off-set a bit by the fact that their big 3 is more of a big 2.8 with Parker being 2.

If the Lakers get another superstar KG would be a fool to not sign. Pure speculation, but let's say the Lakers acquire Williams and obviously trade Pau.

Deron Williams (Top 5 point guard.)
Kobe Bryant (Top 3 player still.)
Metta World Peace (Elite defender. )
Kevin Garnett (Top 5 big still.)
Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum (Best or 2nd best big in the game.

We could have an awful bench and that team still wins the championship.

The Lakers haven't had a starting lineup that good since the Showtime Era.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:35 pm

^ I dunno if KG is a top 5 big man anymore my friend. He had a great 2012 Playoff run, but he's still 34 and it looked to me like he gave EVERYTHING he had out there. I think he's more of a role player from this point forward, albeit a very, very good one.
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Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:42 pm

therealdeal wrote:^ I dunno if KG is a top 5 big man anymore my friend. He had a great 2012 Playoff run, but he's still 34 and it looked to me like he gave EVERYTHING he had out there. I think he's more of a role player from this point forward, albeit a very, very good one.

1. Dwight or Bynum
3. Love
4. Either Garnett, Duncan, or Pau.

I don't consider Nowitzki a big. FYI he's actually 36 which makes what he did this year even more impressive.
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:51 pm

KeepBynum wrote:I don't consider Nowitzki a big.


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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:52 pm

Well I would say there's quite a few bigs to argue against that... I think you're giving him credit because he's had had a big impact recently, but there's guys out there that are simply better than him. Even as good as he's looked.

Dwight
Drew
Love
Bosh
Gasol
Nowitzki (he's still 7 feet tall and scores at will)

Are all better I think

Some maybes:
Other Gasol, Randolph, Duncan, Jefferson

Those later guys may not have the defensive prowess, but they're better offensively. Don't get me wrong, Garnett is still a very good player and is likely to be retired in Boston and whatnot. But I think at this point moving forward... his clock is ticking big time.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
KeepBynum wrote:I don't consider Nowitzki a big.


lolwut? Surely you can't be serious.

He's not. The guy has like a career rebound average of 7 and is strictly a jump shooter now. I don't consider him a big?
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby thkthebest on Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:04 pm

Garnett has had a big impact this entire season, but he wasn't getting any recognition until more people tuned in for the playoffs. He's still underrated by most people imo.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:08 am

Isn't it more to the point to be looking at what Garnett can do going forward rather than where he "ranks" in a list of tall guys in the league?

If we move Pau he would fit very well with the Lakers. I don't think it's a coincidence that he had a very good year in a shortened season however. If he came here we would need to limit his minutes and not rely on him 34 minutes a night.... He will be 37 when the playoffs start next year.... So... I don't think he's capable of being the players he's been in the past except in shorter minutes and in clutch situations..... I do think playing PF next to someone like Bynum will help him tremendously and help extend his career.

The big question is whether or not he will take 3.1 Million to continue his career? My bet is that he won't and it will take a "sign and trade" to get him and a salary of 6 million or so.....
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby dj vitus on Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:06 pm

therealdeal wrote:Well I would say there's quite a few bigs to argue against that... I think you're giving him credit because he's had had a big impact recently, but there's guys out there that are simply better than him. Even as good as he's looked.

Dwight
Drew
Love
Bosh
Gasol
Nowitzki (he's still 7 feet tall and scores at will)

Are all better I think

Some maybes:
Other Gasol, Randolph, Duncan, Jefferson

Those later guys may not have the defensive prowess, but they're better offensively. Don't get me wrong, Garnett is still a very good player and is likely to be retired in Boston and whatnot. But I think at this point moving forward... his clock is ticking big time.

Outside of Dwight, Bosh, and Duncan, the rest of those guys either play no defense or stunk it up in the playoffs or don't have leadership/experience. True the rest are better in the long run because they are younger, but at this point, Garnett can still outshine them in the playoffs for I think at least another 2 years (maybe more with that German knee procedure).
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby LakerFanIam on Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:48 pm

therealdeal wrote:^ I dunno if KG is a top 5 big man anymore my friend. He had a great 2012 Playoff run, but he's still 34 and it looked to me like he gave EVERYTHING he had out there. I think he's more of a role player from this point forward, albeit a very, very good one.


^This... Garnett is no where near a Top 5 big anymore. Sure he had a great Playoff run, BUT he never really had to face another elite level PF/C. Horford was just coming off a long injury for ATL. Elton Brand for the Sixers... As soon as Bosh entered the ECF, Garnett became a non factor.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby thkthebest on Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:51 pm

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therealdeal wrote:^ I dunno if KG is a top 5 big man anymore my friend. He had a great 2012 Playoff run, but he's still 34 and it looked to me like he gave EVERYTHING he had out there. I think he's more of a role player from this point forward, albeit a very, very good one.


^This... Garnett is no where near a Top 5 big anymore. Sure he had a great Playoff run, BUT he never really had to face another elite level PF/C. Horford was just coming off a long injury for ATL. Elton Brand for the Sixers... As soon as Bosh entered the ECF, Garnett became a non factor.

He had a great run this entire season. It wasn't just the playoffs. That logic is just odd in general anyway. Look at therealdeal's list. Did Bynum go up against elite centers? Did Pau go up against elite PFs? Did Nowitzki? Did Duncan? Did Marc? Not a single big has gone up against another elite big in these playoffs.

Garnett makes a significant impact on offense. He's able to shoot the ball from pretty much anywhere. He sets great (illegal) screens. He can occasionally create in the post. He's also a great passer. Despite that, his real impact comes from defense, and not a single player on that list comes close to his impact on defense except Dwight.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:53 pm

thkthebest wrote:
LakerFanIam wrote:
therealdeal wrote:^ I dunno if KG is a top 5 big man anymore my friend. He had a great 2012 Playoff run, but he's still 34 and it looked to me like he gave EVERYTHING he had out there. I think he's more of a role player from this point forward, albeit a very, very good one.


^This... Garnett is no where near a Top 5 big anymore. Sure he had a great Playoff run, BUT he never really had to face another elite level PF/C. Horford was just coming off a long injury for ATL. Elton Brand for the Sixers... As soon as Bosh entered the ECF, Garnett became a non factor.

He had a great run this entire season. It wasn't just the playoffs. That logic is just odd in general anyway. Look at therealdeal's list. Did Bynum go up against elite centers? Did Pau go up against elite PFs? Did Nowitzki? Did Duncan? Did Marc? Not a single big has gone up against another elite big in these playoffs.

Garnett makes a significant impact on offense. He's able to shoot the ball from pretty much anywhere. He sets great (illegal) screens. He can occasionally create in the post. He's also a great passer. Despite that, his real impact comes from defense, and not a single player on that list comes close to his impact on defense except Dwight.

Alot of it has to do with the fact that Garnett plays on the enemy. If he was a Laker I guarantee no one would be underrating him. If we had replaced Gasol with Garnett this postseason we'd still be playing.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:53 pm

KeepBynum wrote:He's not leaving Boston. He'll either retire or resign with the Celtics.
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Re: Spurs Interested In Kevin Garnett

Postby LakerFanIam on Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:26 pm

thkthebest wrote:
LakerFanIam wrote:
therealdeal wrote:^ I dunno if KG is a top 5 big man anymore my friend. He had a great 2012 Playoff run, but he's still 34 and it looked to me like he gave EVERYTHING he had out there. I think he's more of a role player from this point forward, albeit a very, very good one.


^This... Garnett is no where near a Top 5 big anymore. Sure he had a great Playoff run, BUT he never really had to face another elite level PF/C. Horford was just coming off a long injury for ATL. Elton Brand for the Sixers... As soon as Bosh entered the ECF, Garnett became a non factor.

He had a great run this entire season. It wasn't just the playoffs. That logic is just odd in general anyway. Look at therealdeal's list. Did Bynum go up against elite centers? Did Pau go up against elite PFs? Did Nowitzki? Did Duncan? Did Marc? Not a single big has gone up against another elite big in these playoffs.

Garnett makes a significant impact on offense. He's able to shoot the ball from pretty much anywhere. He sets great (illegal) screens. He can occasionally create in the post. He's also a great passer. Despite that, his real impact comes from defense, and not a single player on that list comes close to his impact on defense except Dwight.


My point exactly... Look at realdeal's list. Everyone on that list, who was not injured during the Playoffs, is in the Western Conference. Garnett absolutely should have dominated the Eastern Playoffs... But you did see how less effective he was when a 75% healthy Bosh came in.
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Source: Kevin Garnett In No Hurry To Re-Sign With Celtics

Postby Kobe8Fan on Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:53 pm

Source: Kevin Garnett In No Hurry To Re-Sign With Celtics

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By Steve Bulpett / Celtics Beat

The Celtics [team stats] would love to learn Kevin Garnett’s plans, hopes and desires as soon as possible, but according to sources close to the situation, the Hall of Famer-to-be might be waiting on the team.

By all indications, the Celts have made it clear they want Garnett to return for at least the 2012-13 season, and there is strong evidence from those involved that he is more than willing to discuss that possibility.

And here is where the details make their appearance.

Each side in this situation has a specific set of needs. The question will be whether there is enough common ground to have the 36-year-old KG again patrolling the parquet.

From the Celtics’ end of the spectrum, they are bent on keeping their flexibility as they move through what is, to some extent, a transition period. That means the C’s would be overjoyed to get Garnett to stay on a one-year deal, though there is at least some reason to believe they would discuss an option for 2013-14, knowing KG’s pride wouldn’t allow him to stay if he wasn’t a factor.

Financially, the Celtics don’t want to go overboard, but considering it’s unlikely they will be able to find a worthy recipient for what could be significant salary cap space, they could afford a decent number for Garnett to keep said space warm. But it won’t be in the same area code as the $21 million he pulled down this season.

The bottom line for the Celts is that they could greatly benefit from the presence of a veteran who takes practice so seriously (and it is presumed the club actually will have a few practices when the schedule returns to normal next season) and has a strong effect on younger players. It’s also important that the guy can still, you know, play the game.

Garnett was a revelation in the latter portion of the season, which is a fairly bold concept for someone in his 17th year. The way he took to the center position and showed a far greater willingness to play inside on offense answered some long-held prayers by the staff.

Even if Danny Ainge is able to put better players around him next season and doesn’t need him to score as much, Garnett still will be a threat and will make life easier for his teammates.

But quality of life is an issue, too, for KG, and he has found a comfort zone with the Celts that would make it hard for him to go elsewhere if he isn’t able to find a mutually beneficial deal here.

In this regard, some close to the issue think it’s possible Garnett waits to see how the club plans to shape the roster.

“Kevin’s very loyal, and he hates change,” one source said. “But I think it’d be hard for him to come back if it’s a total rebuild. If he’s going to play, he has to be playing for something.

“I think he’ll wait to see what’s going to happen. If Danny can give him a solid answer right away, then maybe he gives them an answer, too. But KG’s going to want to know who he’ll be playing with.”

Another factor is who he’ll be playing for, as Garnett clearly has developed a strong affection for Doc Rivers.

So if the Celts can convince him through their offseason moves that they will be able to contend, and Garnett has a coach with whom he’s comfortable, the matter then comes down to a contract.

There has been no talk that he will try to break the bank, but there are those who say KG should be forgiven if he’s wary, adding that on one occasion in Minnesota, a promise to bring back certain players was not kept.


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Re: Source: Garnett In No Hurry To Re-Sign With Celtics (Pg. 2)

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:00 pm

He should sign with us after we trade Pau.

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Re: Source: Garnett In No Hurry To Re-Sign With Celtics (Pg. 2)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:01 pm

Hm... More and more unlikely that he comes here that's for sure. :man10:

Coach? No check.
Money? No check.
Roster? Pretty small check outside of Kobe and Bynum.
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