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Postby gcclaker on Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:46 am

Job well done by the Knicks... Thank you Gotham!
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Postby therealdeal on Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:21 am

Yes sir! That was actually a life saver. :man10:

After dropping a horrid game in Phoenix... :bang:
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 38-25

Postby Weezy on Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:20 am

I had high hopes for the Knicks to take out the Heat in the playoffs watching them play early on this season. They blew them out twice if I remember right. If they could somehow get back to whatever it was they were doing that allowed them to do that it would be fantastic, I'd love nothing more than to see the Heat taken out by the Knicks. The Knicks have players I like, players I respect, and a few I don't, but compared to the Heat I love the Knicks. :man10:
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 38-25

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:49 pm

The Knicks gathered together the key parts of the failed Denver Nuggets team and expected different results with them being older.

Melo and Stat are not the leaders a team needs to get to a championship unfortunately. There are some character guys on that team as well and I'd rather have them make the finals than the Heat but I was never overly optimistic that it would happen.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:53 am

The only realistic question mark at this point is whether the Knicks are going to win their 1st playoffs series or not since 2000
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 38-25

Postby keyindabox on Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:25 am

Rooscooter wrote:The Knicks gathered together the key parts of the failed Denver Nuggets team and expected different results with them being older.

Melo and Stat are not the leaders a team needs to get to a championship unfortunately. There are some character guys on that team as well and I'd rather have them make the finals than the Heat but I was never overly optimistic that it would happen.


I disagree with your comments on Melo. While I will admit that STAT is hurt too often to prove to be a real leader, this season can be a game changer for Melo. If we can go from first round exit to ECF, it will do a lot for him as a leader. He's coming back tonight and says his knee feels like its "night and day", so if that's true, I think we can still do some damage with a healthy Melo. Whether STAT can be healthy for the playoffs but more important, effective, is another question and probably the x-factor to us being able to beat Miami in a 7-game series.

Then again, I'm a diehard Knicks fan, so that might just me backing my guys up, but I do think there is some truth in that.
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 38-25

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:33 pm

keyindabox wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:The Knicks gathered together the key parts of the failed Denver Nuggets team and expected different results with them being older.

Melo and Stat are not the leaders a team needs to get to a championship unfortunately. There are some character guys on that team as well and I'd rather have them make the finals than the Heat but I was never overly optimistic that it would happen.


I disagree with your comments on Melo. While I will admit that STAT is hurt too often to prove to be a real leader, this season can be a game changer for Melo. If we can go from first round exit to ECF, it will do a lot for him as a leader. He's coming back tonight and says his knee feels like its "night and day", so if that's true, I think we can still do some damage with a healthy Melo. Whether STAT can be healthy for the playoffs but more important, effective, is another question and probably the x-factor to us being able to beat Miami in a 7-game series.

Then again, I'm a diehard Knicks fan, so that might just me backing my guys up, but I do think there is some truth in that.


No offense intended on the Melo comments..... I'm a die hard Lakers fan going back to the early 70's and I'm pretty sure Howard isn't the kind of player that will lead us anywhere either. Some guys have IT and some don't....... Melo has a history of checking out at the wrong time and he's had a lot more "cover" than he has now. He's a fantastic scorer and a great player but doesn't inspire anyone or elevate his game in the playoffs.

Kidd may be the reason NY gets where they get this year.
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 38-25

Postby keyindabox on Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:43 am

Rooscooter wrote:
keyindabox wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:The Knicks gathered together the key parts of the failed Denver Nuggets team and expected different results with them being older.

Melo and Stat are not the leaders a team needs to get to a championship unfortunately. There are some character guys on that team as well and I'd rather have them make the finals than the Heat but I was never overly optimistic that it would happen.


I disagree with your comments on Melo. While I will admit that STAT is hurt too often to prove to be a real leader, this season can be a game changer for Melo. If we can go from first round exit to ECF, it will do a lot for him as a leader. He's coming back tonight and says his knee feels like its "night and day", so if that's true, I think we can still do some damage with a healthy Melo. Whether STAT can be healthy for the playoffs but more important, effective, is another question and probably the x-factor to us being able to beat Miami in a 7-game series.

Then again, I'm a diehard Knicks fan, so that might just me backing my guys up, but I do think there is some truth in that.


No offense intended on the Melo comments..... I'm a die hard Lakers fan going back to the early 70's and I'm pretty sure Howard isn't the kind of player that will lead us anywhere either. Some guys have IT and some don't....... Melo has a history of checking out at the wrong time and he's had a lot more "cover" than he has now. He's a fantastic scorer and a great player but doesn't inspire anyone or elevate his game in the playoffs.

Kidd may be the reason NY gets where they get this year.


Fair enough, I guess that's why Melo came to New York. His only real shot to change his legacy from a great scorer with individual success to a great PLAYER with TEAM success.
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 38-25

Postby FabFourLakers on Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:37 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
keyindabox wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:The Knicks gathered together the key parts of the failed Denver Nuggets team and expected different results with them being older.

Melo and Stat are not the leaders a team needs to get to a championship unfortunately. There are some character guys on that team as well and I'd rather have them make the finals than the Heat but I was never overly optimistic that it would happen.


I disagree with your comments on Melo. While I will admit that STAT is hurt too often to prove to be a real leader, this season can be a game changer for Melo. If we can go from first round exit to ECF, it will do a lot for him as a leader. He's coming back tonight and says his knee feels like its "night and day", so if that's true, I think we can still do some damage with a healthy Melo. Whether STAT can be healthy for the playoffs but more important, effective, is another question and probably the x-factor to us being able to beat Miami in a 7-game series.

Then again, I'm a diehard Knicks fan, so that might just me backing my guys up, but I do think there is some truth in that.


No offense intended on the Melo comments..... I'm a die hard Lakers fan going back to the early 70's and I'm pretty sure Howard isn't the kind of player that will lead us anywhere either. Some guys have IT and some don't....... Melo has a history of checking out at the wrong time and he's had a lot more "cover" than he has now. He's a fantastic scorer and a great player but doesn't inspire anyone or elevate his game in the playoffs.

Kidd may be the reason NY gets where they get this year.


Ok you lost some credibility when you say at the end that KIDD may be the reason the Knicks get anywhere ....he has literally been horrible since DECEMBER...the Knicks are only getting anywhere because of MELO. He has been a different player this year and I whole heartedly disagree with your statements about the Knicks...

First off, the main reason the Knicks have struggled since starting hot? INJURIES. They have literally had injuries to every single player on their team and to make matters worse, some of these players have gone down at the same time (Amare, Chandler, Melo). Look at it, Felton was out a month, AMare out for basically this whole year, Melo out for 1/6 of the year, Chandler probably gonna end up missing 15 games, Kidd out, Shumpert out for half the year, Rasheed Wallace out for the whole year (and if you watched any Knicks games, he was actually very key for that Knicks bench and played really), Kurt Thomas now out for the rest of the season....I mean the only player that has played almost every game is JR Smith.

I think if the Knicks can get healthy in time, they can make some noise. I think they are not gonna draw a favorable match up in the first round...ESP if they draw the BULLS (who have OWNED them this year). Crazy how 2-7 seeds in the EAST are all neck and neck right now. I think the Knicks have to get the 2 seed...if they drop any further than that, they will probably exit in the first round again.
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 39-26

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:24 pm

^^You value stats over experience I see..... The facts are that most of their top players have all failed in pretty amazing fashion when the bright lights are on. A stabilizing influence like Kidd is a great thing to have.

Who was it that was most valuable in our first Kobe-Shaq championship?..... Harper and Shaw....

Melo has failed to get much better teams than this one, even when healthy, very far. It's not his scoring or his talent.... it's between the ears and his demeanor. If he's the one the team is counting on then it's another frustrating season for NY.... If they let a guy like Kidd lead then they have a chance when healthy.

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Postby keyindabox on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:08 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^You value stats over experience I see..... The facts are that most of their top players have all failed in pretty amazing fashion when the bright lights are on. A stabilizing influence like Kidd is a great thing to have.

Who was it that was most valuable in our first Kobe-Shaq championship?..... Harper and Shaw....

Melo has failed to get much better teams than this one, even when healthy, very far. It's not his scoring or his talent.... it's between the ears and his demeanor. If he's the one the team is counting on then it's another frustrating season for NY.... If they let a guy like Kidd lead then they have a chance when healthy.

If you want to keep taking shots at what I say and insinuating that I'm not "watching" then just put me on ignore.... that way we both won't waste our time....


I partly agree with FabFour that Melo has been a different player this year, but it hasn't been consistent. Part of that is nagging injuries, but he's shown a lot more leadership and defense. He's also shown his ability to pass the ball a lot more and trust his teammates. In the playoffs is when it'll matter, though.

I also think FabFour has a point about the injuries, even though I don't like using that as any type of excuse. But about Kidd, even though he has been terrible, he will be a big factor in how far we go. I don't think he will be as important as you explain, but he will definitely make a bigger impact than the stat sheet will show, that's for sure. Tyson Chandler as well.
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 39-26

Postby gcclaker on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:58 pm

Anthony will get his points come hell or high water. Kidd will try to balance and run the offense. THE biggest key for New York IMO is Chandler. His defensive energy, leadeship and experience through adversity holds everything together for the Knicks. All the accumulation of the small things that he does like setting picks, protecting the rim, communicating rotations and keeping possessions alive by constantly attacking the boards has a huge impact on their fortunes. For further reference, someone should check out how Dallas has fared since he left.
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Postby keyindabox on Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:32 am

5-game winning streak with the Griz on deck tonight. Both teams without their starting centers but should be a great game nonetheless!
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Postby gcclaker on Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:03 pm

Nice win by New York last night over the Lakers' hated rivals... Considering how unsatisfactory our season has gone, I still take great pleasure in seeing THAT TEAM get beat.
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Re: Official 2012-2013 NY Knicks Thread: 43-26

Postby keyindabox on Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:43 pm

gcclaker wrote:Nice win by New York last night over the Lakers' hated rivals... Considering how unsatisfactory our season has gone, I still take great pleasure in seeing THAT TEAM get beat.


Haha trust me, Paul Pierce is today's Reggie Miller against the Knicks, we take just as much joy in beating them.

Meanwhile, up 28 at halftime against Memphis :jam2:
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Postby Finwë on Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:17 pm

It got close towards the end, but still a good win for the Knicks.

JR Smith has been balling lately, wow
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Postby keyindabox on Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:36 pm

Finwë wrote:It got close towards the end, but still a good win for the Knicks.

JR Smith has been balling lately, wow


Yes, too close, but still got the win indeed.

JR has been going to the hole a lot more and that's been key to his recent surge. Getting to the line a lot as a result as well, love seeing it. He just needs to harness that.
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Postby keyindabox on Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:28 pm

With the win tonight against the Bobcats, Knicks are on a 7-game winning streak. However, more notably is JR Smith's 3rd straight 30+ point game off the bench. Overall, during his two seasons with the Knicks, NY is 27-4 when JR shoots 50% or better from the field, as was the case tonight.
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Postby keyindabox on Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:06 pm

Knicks make easy work out of the Celtics, winning the season series for the first time in 9 years. 8 game winning streak with the Heat next in Miami, time to make a statement before the playoffs! :jam2:
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Postby Finwë on Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:09 pm

11 3s in the first half :man4:
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Postby keyindabox on Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:16 pm

Finwë wrote:11 3s in the first half :man4:


That really set the tone for the whole game. It buried Boston into an early hole and the Knicks were able to play smart basketball on both ends of the floor to hold the lead and cruise to an easy win.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:09 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^You value stats over experience I see..... The facts are that most of their top players have all failed in pretty amazing fashion when the bright lights are on. A stabilizing influence like Kidd is a great thing to have.

Who was it that was most valuable in our first Kobe-Shaq championship?..... Harper and Shaw....

Melo has failed to get much better teams than this one, even when healthy, very far. It's not his scoring or his talent.... it's between the ears and his demeanor. If he's the one the team is counting on then it's another frustrating season for NY.... If they let a guy like Kidd lead then they have a chance when healthy.

If you want to keep taking shots at what I say and insinuating that I'm not "watching" then just put me on ignore.... that way we both won't waste our time....



Didn't mean to insult you Roos...you know we usually agree on a lot of things. This was just one of them I really felt that you were wrong about...and still do.

With that being said, I think Melo deserves SOME credit for the Knicks late season turnaround...it was looking like the Knicks were going to collapse, with all the injuries and losses piling up....but Melo sucked it up (and he's playing hurt btw) and he's doing what he can out there for the Knicks. He's definitely a top 5 player this year in my book, and like I said before, IF the Knicks get the 2 seed, they have a shot at going pretty far (meaning they will lose to the HEAT in the ECF). That in itself would be a huge accomplishment for the Knicks.

Speaking of injuries, Kenyon Martin went down in the Celtics game....literally every single big man for the Knicks has gone down with an injury this year. They really need Chandler back now. They have a tough schedule to finish (with like 4 b2b's left).

Key, you think my bets are safe as far as Knicks finishing ahead of the Nets and finishing as a top 4 team?
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Postby gcclaker on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:57 pm

keyindabox wrote:
gcclaker wrote:Nice win by New York last night over the Lakers' hated rivals... Considering how unsatisfactory our season has gone, I still take great pleasure in seeing THAT TEAM get beat.


Haha trust me, Paul Pierce is today's Reggie Miller against the Knicks, we take just as much joy in beating them.

Meanwhile, up 28 at halftime against Memphis :jam2:

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Postby keyindabox on Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:29 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^You value stats over experience I see..... The facts are that most of their top players have all failed in pretty amazing fashion when the bright lights are on. A stabilizing influence like Kidd is a great thing to have.

Who was it that was most valuable in our first Kobe-Shaq championship?..... Harper and Shaw....

Melo has failed to get much better teams than this one, even when healthy, very far. It's not his scoring or his talent.... it's between the ears and his demeanor. If he's the one the team is counting on then it's another frustrating season for NY.... If they let a guy like Kidd lead then they have a chance when healthy.

If you want to keep taking shots at what I say and insinuating that I'm not "watching" then just put me on ignore.... that way we both won't waste our time....



Didn't mean to insult you Roos...you know we usually agree on a lot of things. This was just one of them I really felt that you were wrong about...and still do.

With that being said, I think Melo deserves SOME credit for the Knicks late season turnaround...it was looking like the Knicks were going to collapse, with all the injuries and losses piling up....but Melo sucked it up (and he's playing hurt btw) and he's doing what he can out there for the Knicks. He's definitely a top 5 player this year in my book, and like I said before, IF the Knicks get the 2 seed, they have a shot at going pretty far (meaning they will lose to the HEAT in the ECF). That in itself would be a huge accomplishment for the Knicks.

Speaking of injuries, Kenyon Martin went down in the Celtics game....literally every single big man for the Knicks has gone down with an injury this year. They really need Chandler back now. They have a tough schedule to finish (with like 4 b2b's left).

Key, you think my bets are safe as far as Knicks finishing ahead of the Nets and finishing as a top 4 team?


I am pretty confident that your bets are safe. We're 4.5 up on the Nets, and while we have a much tougher upcoming schedule, I don't see the Nets winning enough and the Knicks losing enough for them to get past us. Even if that did happen, Knicks would most likely end up still being a Top 4 team, but like I said, I think the Atlantic Division is ours.

And on K-Mart, he should be fine, injury doesn't seem to be anything serious. I just hope Tyson can play tomorrow night against Miami.
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keyindabox wrote:
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Rooscooter wrote:^^You value stats over experience I see..... The facts are that most of their top players have all failed in pretty amazing fashion when the bright lights are on. A stabilizing influence like Kidd is a great thing to have.

Who was it that was most valuable in our first Kobe-Shaq championship?..... Harper and Shaw....

Melo has failed to get much better teams than this one, even when healthy, very far. It's not his scoring or his talent.... it's between the ears and his demeanor. If he's the one the team is counting on then it's another frustrating season for NY.... If they let a guy like Kidd lead then they have a chance when healthy.

If you want to keep taking shots at what I say and insinuating that I'm not "watching" then just put me on ignore.... that way we both won't waste our time....



Didn't mean to insult you Roos...you know we usually agree on a lot of things. This was just one of them I really felt that you were wrong about...and still do.

With that being said, I think Melo deserves SOME credit for the Knicks late season turnaround...it was looking like the Knicks were going to collapse, with all the injuries and losses piling up....but Melo sucked it up (and he's playing hurt btw) and he's doing what he can out there for the Knicks. He's definitely a top 5 player this year in my book, and like I said before, IF the Knicks get the 2 seed, they have a shot at going pretty far (meaning they will lose to the HEAT in the ECF). That in itself would be a huge accomplishment for the Knicks.

Speaking of injuries, Kenyon Martin went down in the Celtics game....literally every single big man for the Knicks has gone down with an injury this year. They really need Chandler back now. They have a tough schedule to finish (with like 4 b2b's left).

Key, you think my bets are safe as far as Knicks finishing ahead of the Nets and finishing as a top 4 team?


I am pretty confident that your bets are safe. We're 4.5 up on the Nets, and while we have a much tougher upcoming schedule, I don't see the Nets winning enough and the Knicks losing enough for them to get past us. Even if that did happen, Knicks would most likely end up still being a Top 4 team, but like I said, I think the Atlantic Division is ours.

And on K-Mart, he should be fine, injury doesn't seem to be anything serious. I just hope Tyson can play tomorrow night against Miami.


Nice! Yeah, I am looking at the schedules, and I think the Nets would have to nearly go undefeated or lose only 1 game the rest of the way and the Knicks would have to go like 4-7 down the stretch for the Nets to capture the lead.

That's good news on K-Mart....I love that pick up for NYK so far....he's gonna be instrumental in the playoffs. Knicks need to avoid the Chicago Bulls at all costs in the playoffs....either draw the hawks or celtics...cuz if they draw the Bulls? I don't see it ending well for the Knicks as they for whatever reason do NOT match up well with the Bulls!
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