Official Kevin Love Watch

Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:21 pm

Well ideally he's a 3rd option in my opinion, but he could certainly be a 2nd option with the right 1st.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby JSM on Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:06 am

Wolves still focused on trying to land Klay Thompson from Warriors in Kevin Love deal, sources said, but Golden St still won't budge on Klay

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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby abeer3 on Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:56 am

still can't believe klay thompson is what's keeping the love trade from happening. i would have guessed it would be taking on lee's contract.

golden state should have done this yesterday. they'll be kicking themselves if love goes elsewhere.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby JSM on Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:16 pm

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Source: Cavs now offering #1 pick Andrew Wiggins in trade offers for Kevin Love. @BobCavsinsider 1st to report
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Weezy on Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:45 pm

I guess if the Wolves can't get Klay, then Wiggins is a good consolation prize. Still, if Klay can be had, I don't see how you don't do that deal first. Wiggins is good, potential to be great, but I think Klay is better now than Wiggins will be for a while, and he may not ever be that good.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:48 pm

The Wolves can play this right and have a bidding war. Cleveland vs. Golden State: who's willing to give up more?? :man10:
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:54 pm

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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:39 pm

This makes sense for the Cavs in the short term but if it were up to me, I would hold on to Wiggins. His potnetial is too high. He's going to be a great wing defender from the get go and his shot looks good.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby kenzo on Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:50 am

And media will still give LeBron credit for coming back to CLE. He did it only for himself, ditched Bosh and banged up Wade for the oportunity to play with younger stars. How noble :hurl:
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:11 am

Klay+(Barnes/1st round pick)+Lee for K Love is too much ...

People felll in love with individual numbers way too much


Good point

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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby SmoothOperator on Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:33 am

I think if the Cavs and Warriors get into a bidding war, this will be the "Final, Best possible offer" each team would be willing to do for Kevin Love.


Cavs offer:
Wiggins, Waiters, Tristan Thompson, Bennett + picks
for
Kevin Love + Kevin Martin (Takes on bad contract, eases blow of losing both Waiters+Wiggins for Cavs as they get a starting calibre SG to plug in).

Warriors offer:
David Lee + Klay Thompson + Harrison Barnes + picks
for
Kevin Love + Kevin Martin (Warriors take on Martin for same reason as why the Cavs ultimately agree to it).



Ultimately I think the Cavs blink and give up BOTH Wiggins and Waiters to beat the Warrior's both Klay+Barnes. The Cavs, and any GM in the league, understands that Lebron+Love+Kyrie will be favorites to goto the finals. With that threesome, whoever's playing SG whether it be Waiters, Wiggins, or Martin becomes a mildly used 4th option. Waiters and Wiggins may quickly be uncomfortable with that. Waiters just said on his twitter account he expects to start this season....so, Wiggins off the bench? He wants to be a star and live up to the hype of being the #1 overall pick. Kevin Martin however, fits in perfectly as a guy that understands his role of being there to spread the floor by making open shots.


The T'Wolves will ultimately decide to take the Cavs offer over the Warriors offer because it's got more potential and is easier to sell to the fan base. Wiggins and Waiters has a higher ceiling than Klay and Barnes. Thompson is a younger player with potential that can take over the PF starting spot. I have to admit, a team with this depth chart looks like a nice young team that can be OKC-esque in 3-4 years:

Rubio/Barea
Waiters/LaVine/Shved
Wiggins/Muhammad/Budinger
Thompson/Bennett
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When you look at it this way as a GM, you think to yourself.... with Klay+Barnes+Lee, in 3-4 years we may be a playoff 2nd round contending team. With Wiggins, Waiters, and Thompson we'll also be a 2nd round contending team in 3-years. However in 6-7 years we could be title contenders if Wiggins turns into a star.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:57 am

If the Warriors and the Cavs get into a bidding war, the Cavs will win.

Wiggins/Thompson/Pick(s)

That's a damn solid offer. If you want to throw in Bennett or another pick, that's the best offer on the table I think. You replace Love with a solid PF. You get one of the League's best wing options. You get future assets.

The Warriors can include Klay in a deal but

Klay/Lee/Picks to me isn't as enticing. Sure, Klay is better than Wiggins, but if I'm rebuilding then Klay is less of a sexy pick than Wiggins.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:01 am

therealdeal wrote:Wiggins/Thompson/Pick(s)

That's a damn solid offer. If you want to throw in Bennett or another pick, that's the best offer on the table I think. You replace Love with a solid PF. You get one of the League's best wing options. You get future assets.


They have to throw in Bennett or Waiters for the salaries to match up. Wiggins + Thompson doesn't.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Juronimo on Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:16 am

If Wiggins is as good as everyone says he is, Cleveland would be making a mistake trading him for Kevin Love, perhaps along the lines of a trade Charlotte made with their draft pick back in '96.

Kevin Love is a player whose stats don't translate into wins. I wouldn't give up Wiggins potential, plus the max money Kevin Love will demand.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:38 am

Doc Brown wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Wiggins/Thompson/Pick(s)

That's a damn solid offer. If you want to throw in Bennett or another pick, that's the best offer on the table I think. You replace Love with a solid PF. You get one of the League's best wing options. You get future assets.


They have to throw in Bennett or Waiters for the salaries to match up. Wiggins + Thompson doesn't.

That doesn't really change the fact that the Cavs have the best offer. Wiggins/Thompson/Bennett/pick is a fantastic haul for a rebuild.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby thkthebest on Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:57 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:This makes sense for the Cavs in the short term but if it were up to me, I would hold on to Wiggins. His potnetial is too high. He's going to be a great wing defender from the get go and his shot looks good.

I can't remember the last rookie who was a good defender from the get go, much less a great one. If I have the choice, I'm instantly trading Wiggins (potential) for Love (already great).

Juronimo wrote:If Wiggins is as good as everyone says he is, Cleveland would be making a mistake trading him for Kevin Love, perhaps along the lines of a trade Charlotte made with their draft pick back in '96.

Kevin Love is a player whose stats don't translate into wins. I wouldn't give up Wiggins potential, plus the max money Kevin Love will demand.

Why do you think his stats don't translate to wins? The Wolves were +6.3 per 100 possessions with Love on the floor and -4.6 per 100 possessions without him on the floor. That's an 11 point swing, which was better than Durant, LeBron, Paul George, and Chris Paul.


Anyway, LeBron will be turning 30 this year, and he's not your average bball player. He has a TON of mileage on those legs like Kobe did around that age. He's built like a tank, but I think a lot of high school stars break down at an earlier age than normal. Kobe began having a lot of nagging injuries around that time, and we all know what happened with the achilles...when he was 34. Garnett began having some knee troubles when he was 32? Amare, McGrady, Bynum, Tyson, Jermaine, etc. It's extremely rare for a high school player to be so durable for so long. LeBron, Kobe, and Garnett are the extremely rare cases.

If I'm the Cavs, I want to maximize LeBron's talents right now.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby kenzo on Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:19 pm

Juronimo wrote:If Wiggins is as good as everyone says he is, Cleveland would be making a mistake trading him for Kevin Love, perhaps along the lines of a trade Charlotte made with their draft pick back in '96.

Kevin Love is a player whose stats don't translate into wins. I wouldn't give up Wiggins potential, plus the max money Kevin Love will demand.

The Cavs have to win now. LeBron can bolt in 2 years so the clock is ticking...
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:38 pm

really hope Cavs dont get Love. I think a combination of Kyrie, LBJ, Love is much more deadly than with Wiggins. Heck.... if Love goes to the Cavs LBJ basically has what he had in MIA. Love plays Both role, and Kyrie plays Wade's roll but will probably handle the ball a lot more to save Lebron from all the wear and tire.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:40 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:really hope Cavs dont get Love. I think a combination of Kyrie, LBJ, Love is much more deadly than with Wiggins. Heck.... if Love goes to the Cavs LBJ basically has what he had in MIA. Love plays Both role, and Kyrie plays Wade's roll but will probably handle the ball a lot more to save Lebron from all the wear and tire.

Except Wade and Bosh at their best were good-to-great defenders. Love and Kyrie have never been defenders and I'm not sure they ever will be.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:40 pm

LeBron is going to want the ball in his hands. A quality point guard is un-necessary. They should offer Kyrie not Wiggins.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:34 am

2010-2011 and 2011-2012 Lebron-Wade- Bosh >>>> Lebron-Kyrie-Love without a doubt and by a wide margin

Love can't do what Bosh does on the defensive end until proven otherwise and Wade was a better player than Kyrie on both ends with playoffs and championship experience .

Don't forget Kyrie+Love = 0 postseason game played so far
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:38 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:LeBron is going to want the ball in his hands. A quality point guard is un-necessary. They should offer Kyrie not Wiggins.


Yep ... Lebron and Kyrie look like a terrible fit on paper ... Can Kyrie adapt and play more off the ball as Wade did in 2011-2012 with the Heat ? Doubtful ... and definetely not in 2014-2015
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:31 pm

Interesting what teams that have assets can do isn't it?.....
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby TIME on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:16 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Interesting what teams that have assets can do isn't it?.....


Interesting what a team that "wins" the lottery 18 years in a row at a gazillion to one odds can do with their assets.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:58 pm

TIME wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Interesting what teams that have assets can do isn't it?.....


Interesting what a team that "wins" the lottery 18 years in a row at a gazillion to one odds can do with their assets.


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